Hillary Clinton: I Backed Osama Bin Laden Raid, Joe Biden Didn't

[big_dog]

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Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/hillary-cli

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday took some indirect swipes at Vice President Joe Biden at an off-the-record gathering, a state representative in attendance told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

“I know she’s running for president now, because toward the end, she was asked about the Osama bin Laden raid. She took 25 minutes to answer,” George State Rep. Tom Taylor told the newspaper. “Without turning the knife too deeply, she put it to [Vice President Joe] Biden.”

Taylor told the newspaper that while answering the question about bin Laden, Clinton depicted herself and former CIA Director Leon Panetta as champions of the raid, while also noting Biden’s opposition to the action. Biden is also a potential 2016 hopeful. “She took the rest of the time and went over, answering that question,” Taylor, a Republican, said. “She was ready to speak on that.”

Clinton struck a similar theme at another recent speech before the Long Island Association, according to an attendee. She was asked about bin Laden at that event as well, and in her telling, the attendee said, “She and the CIA director were for the attack, and Biden and the secretary of defense were against the attack.”



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[NRaleighLiberal]

1. this sort of thing is just not at all helpful right now....

[Heather MC]

17. Agreed, Wait til the 2016 Primary Season

And We already know

[yurbud]

64. it's still stupid then

[elleng]

21. Zacly

[roguevalley]

38. this is so offensive she lost me. judgment matters. this shows none

[Beacool]

108. Oh, the drama........

Stating public facts that even Biden spoke about is offending you?????

[coldmountain]

59. Off the record

[JoePhilly]

2. Didn't we already know this?

I seem to recall reading something that said, Hillary and some one else were FOR, and Biden and some one else were AGAINST. I don't recall who the others were, probably as described in the OP.

I'm not sure this matters much ... although, I do agree it might be a sign that Hillary is running ... but still, I don't see Biden as much of a threat in her path either way.

[yurbud]

5. with the news less detectable hair plugs, he could be.

[reddread]

79. and all those capped teeth

such a great smile!
At least Hillary wasnt behind Clarence Thomas confirmation.
thats a very special achievement.

[Tx4obama]

9. Yes. See Comment #8

[yurbud]

3. How do each of them stand on Lex Luthor, the Joker, and Satan?

Since they are focusing on these important issues.

[Miranda4peace]

4. Ok, so she supports the MIC and invading sovereign nations

Meanwhile at home Hunger, unemployment, homelessness etc skyrocket.

What's new?

[Rowdyboy]

6. Its an important point and I think she's right to make it. Should Biden run some folks will decide

between the two based on decisions like this. Its always better to be informed on philosophy and policy than to make decisions based on personality.

[big_dog]

14. well said rd!

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ready-for-hillary-ramping-up-98090.html

[Rowdyboy]

15. At this point I'm very inclined to back Clinton, though I respect the Vice-President very much

Either would make an exceptional commander in chief but I really want to see a female president in my lifetime and I don't think Elizabeth Warren has any interest in a run. Add that to Clinton's unprecented experience in foreign policy and its hard not to support her.

[blm]

23. I think she was an extremely timid Sec of State AND a timid Senator.

No one has answered this simple question.... What serious issue did she take the lead on during her time in the senate?

Well, I can name one - she led the attack behind closed caucus doors on Kennedy and Kerry's filibuster of Alito. Then when she was bombarded with phone calls from the left she publicly said she'd support it. Too late - she already gave cover for all the centrist Dems in the caucus. She and Schumer acted poorly throughout that episode.

[Rowdyboy]

25. We each get one primary vote. You cast yours and I'll cast mine-but I will wait until everyone has

had a chance to announce before making blanket pronouncements about who I'll back. Neither may run. Maybe we'll know more in a year or so.

[blm]

100. I'm not making a choice, yet - I just ask same simple question about Hillary

for the last 6 years and no one seems able to answer.

And I don't think her time as Sec of State shows anything but a reinforcement of how she acted as senator - always siding with hawks unquestioningly and timid about taking serious issues head on and with determination to succeed.

[2banon]

66. It was Her??? How did I miss that??! I was really active on that front.

Kennedy was an astonishing fighter.. actually superb. I don't recall my impression of Kerry's efforts. I don't recall his efforts at all for that matter. But if memory serves, DiFi was also a serious obstacle wrt to that effort. Again, if memory serves, she refused to work the filibuster/closure angle. I think I detested her then, but not as much as I do now. I have no memory of Hillary's efforts on the floor at all, and had no idea of the machinations she engaged in then.

You, know there are times I wonder how in the hell....

oh nevermind.

[blm]

98. Actually, Kerry led that fight FOR Kennedy after Kennedy got beat up during

the hearings by the GOP media machine. Kennedy took 2 weeks of incoming around the hearings and didn't have the strength (his health was already a factor) to launch the filibuster, and Kerry stepped up. Schumer and Clinton did everything they could to make sure there would NOT be enough votes. After the first media reports revealed Clinton and Schumer were heavily opposed to filibuster in the closed door sessions, Clinton was swamped with thousands of calls to her office, and then she said she'd support the filibuster.

[karynnj]

112. Both Kerry and Kennedy worked very hard on this

In hindsight, Kennedy arguments were mostly very emotional and reminded me why he was called the lion of the Senate. Kerry was every bit as passionate, but rather than make the argument on Roe vs Wade issues - when ANY Bush nominee would be pro-life, he outlined how on many issues Alito was far outside the mainstream -- always for giving more power to corporations and less to people. (In this, Leahy was very much on the same page as Kerry.)

The importance of that difference was that no other Senators would have changed on woman's issues, but there was very good reason to think that some of the more libertarian Republicans could be offended by the types of decisions that Kerry argued. In their summary speeches, both Kerry and Kennedy spoke of the dedication, passion and commitment that the other brought to the issue.

As to Hillary, she gave a perfectly good speech - and voted against Alito. Her speech - like her current positioning was as an advocate for women. It was in contrast to her behind the scenes telling activists that there would be no filibuster and arguing against people doing trying to fight the Catholic Alito. Where Kerry and Kennedy were speaking and acting from their hearts and guts as well as their exceptional minds, Hillary was concerned with politics - having the feminist speech - yet not alienating Catholics (though most Democratic Catholics would reject Alito as quickly as most Democratic Jews reject Eric Cantor).

[MBS]

86. thanks for this reminder.

. .both of Kennedy and Kerry's courage in their filibuster against Alito, and of Hillary's early opposition to that filibuster.

[Sunlei]

34. what if it's Biden/Hillary or Hillary/Biden ? They have proven they can work together.

or how about President Mrs. Clinton and VP Obama... or perhaps SC Justice Clinton and SC Justice Obama...or maybe SOS Obama. President Biden and VP Edwards, VP Kerry, VP Warren. President Warren and VP Clinton.

2016 will be fun

[Rowdyboy]

36. It really doesn't matter too much to me-I've voted for every party nominee since 1976 and I

can't imagine 2016 being any different. Really hope the Teabaggers can keep control of the Republican party until then!

[Sunlei]

39. you're right for 2016 we're lucky to have a lot of good presidential persons.

It will be fun to watch the hobbit bagger wars on BS mountain. There isn't enough room for all those republicans & BS mountain is so high. It's a long way down!

[bigwillq]

104. I hope it's neither

I am sick of the same old, same old.

[Sunlei]

105. and who do you suggest?

[bigwillq]

106. Not sure at this point.

A long way to go between then and now.

I just know I will not vote for Hillary or Biden.

[Sunlei]

110. why not? they have both done an excellent job their entire political careers.

The list is pretty short even for Ds with their kind of experiences.

I still don't think Mrs Clinton will run for president. She wants to work with her Clinton Foundation in the private sector and the entire world needs her more than the USA does.

[karynnj]

41. You mean like Biden was against and she was for the failed surge in Afghanistan?

I remember many not happy that she wanted to claim she was for all the successful Clinton Presidency issues and quietly against all the ones that were negative when she ran in 2008.

Not to mention, she has major responsibility for the mess that is now Syria.

Even if she were not running - which I think she is - I suspect that we will get many inside stories and I hope that - like this comment - the claimed positions seem to be the same as reported a while ago. If she does run, I would imagine that she will be forced to answer what her positions were on various things - as will Biden if he runs. I suspect that if there is someone running from the left, it is very possible that her positions on Afghanistan and Syria could be challenged. In BOTH of those cases, she was more hawkish than Obama.

As to stabbing Biden in the back, she didn't. This was a reasonable question for her to answer and she has to answer it honestly.

[babylonsister]

7. How is that a swipe if it's the truth? They had differing

opinions. That happens and can be a good thing.

Mountains and molehills...

[Fearless]

72. Why would she say it?

It is irrelevant except as a cheap shot.

[babylonsister]

74. Maybe b/c she was asked about the raid?

I think things are being blown out of proportion, but what's new.

[progree]

84. Yes, it was important to mention Biden's position on the raid, otherwise she wouldn't be answering

the question fully, I guess.

I think #70 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014621798#post70 is on to something.

I hope that Biden doesn't mention Tuzla airport, Bosnia when he gets asked a foreign policy question.

[Tx4obama]

8. News came out long time about about Biden being against the raid.

January 30, 2012

Joe Biden Advised Against the Osama Bin Laden Raid
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/joe-biden-advised-against-the-osama-bin-laden-raid/

January 20, 2012

Joe Biden Opposed Osama Bin Laden Raid (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/30/joe-biden-advised-against-bin-laden-raid_n_1242702.html

And tons more articles on the net about it last year

[Rebellious Republican]

10. But you spoil the fun for so many.

[Sunlei]

31. Yes, that is old news. Yet they all stood together during the raid.

This admin. those close to the President, the ones he trusts, trust him back. This is the best white house 'team' America has ever had.

[Beacool]

37. Darn, you had to go and spoil the fun!!!

[onehandle]

11. True. nt

[AnotherMcIntosh]

12. Yea, well they both favored the banking industry by voting to change the bankruptcy laws to

reduce the ability of destitute students to discharge student loans in bankruptcy.

As for who is more pro-war, both voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution so it's a tie at that end.

HRC is a winner, however, on the issue of who has been negotiating the TPP. Biden has merely been on the sidelines on this one.

[bunnies]

13. “She was ready to speak on that.” *

* years ago.

[Rebellious Republican]

16. Hey big dog, before we get into deciding who is going to run for POTUS in 2016...

How bout we take care of more pressing concerns, I don't know, like still having country to have elections.

[MNBrewer]

18. It's good to know that the President is getting divergent opinions.

on important topics.

[Enrique]

19. killing is always good for one's political career

it's the only reason all those dems, Hillary included, supported the Iraq war. Unless you think they thought there were WMDs lol.

[coldmountain]

60. klling Osama Bin Laden is good for ones' career

[2banon]

67. Now that OBL is "dead" and gone, they'll have to come up with another bogyman

oh wait... al queda al queda al queada everywhere it's al queda.

[elleng]

20. Damn.

[Myrina]

22. Yep, she's running in 2016

sigh

[tavernier]

24. IMO , sine she is in a greater position of strength

she should wait for him to take the first swipe or even second. This is unbecoming a front runner so early in the game. And I love her so I'm being just plain honest, not snarky.

[Auntie Bush]

29. I'm all for Hillary and I wish she hadn't said that too.

Time enough for negative comments. But I don't know what the situation was or what the questions were. Maybe someone asked her that direct question.

[Nonhlanhla]

26. She might as well announce now

She's as good as announced that she's running. Sticking the knife in Biden.

I like Biden a lot, but I don't think he's very electable. The stupid media has killed any chances he may have had with their stupid gaffe caricature of him.

Hillary it is.

[Sunlei]

28. Mrs. Clinton said last month she will wait to announce after 2014.

Mrs.Clinton probably will not run but I do want her to keep republicans guessing for years to come. And I don't don't care what the media made of Joe Biden... He's an awesome VP and an honest great politician.

Dems are very lucky to have so many persons who are presidential material.

[Nonhlanhla]

55. I also like Biden a lot

But I think he's been damaged severely by the media. A lot of people think he is just a gaffe machine - which is completely untrue and unfair. But that's a factor. Look at what the media did to Gore years ago - turned a serious, thoughtful man into a public joke. And it played a role in his "loss" against Bush.

Biden is also quite advanced in years, and may not have the stamina - remember, if he wins, he would become president at age 74, which could mean being president well into his eighties. Not to be ageist, but the presidency is exhausting. That said, I do like and respect him immensely, and he is fit for his age, and if he becomes the nominee, I would not hesitate for even one second to vote for him, and I will feel that we are in safe hands with him.

And I still think Hillary Clinton will run. She's also on the older side, but several years younger than Biden.

I would obviously vote for either. The Dems can run Bugs Bunny - I will still vote for him/her.

[Sunlei]

27. maybe some reporter will ask Mrs Clinton about the fishing boat job when she cleaned fish!!

'news' media can make hay with that for months!

Here's a poem for Osama Bin Laden who lays in a 'Watery Grave.


Watery Grave
by Josh Holmes 2000.

Taking me further under
To the depths of no return
Where no breath may utter
And lungs begin to burn

The anvil weights too heavy
The chain is too strong
Death begins to crowd me
As it sings its song

Pouring out its stinch
Its sorrow and shame
Sinking with every inch
Knowing who is to blame

No word shall surprise
No thought shall baffle
No need to realize
Whom is the anvil

When shall I be free
Will I surface in time
Or die indeed
Beneath this dark malign

[peacebird]

30. NO. Period. Not Hillary. Not another DLCer. No. Simply no.

And don't diss Biden.

[Sunlei]

32. I like Biden too. just curious, did you vote for Mrs Clinton in the primary? or have you always not

liked her?

[peacebird]

43. I liked her, but preferred Edwards (my primary vote) and ultimately voted O in the general election

[Sunlei]

46. I think Edwards will come back soon, I hope. He was found 'not guility' after the years of r attacks

I hope Edwards gets back into politics, it was a very hard several years for him.

[Egnever]

51. God lord

please no just no.

[Sunlei]

54. what is it ? rain on your parade?

/hands umbrella

[Egnever]

56. Edwards is a fake

if you still cant see that...

[Sunlei]

57. I don't agree. what don't you like about his stated policies. He's done good for 'the people.'

Policy positions

Main article: Political positions of John Edwards

Edwards promotes programs to eliminate poverty in the United States, including arguing in favor of creating one million housing vouchers over five years in order to place poor people in middle-class neighborhoods. Edwards has stated, "If we truly believe that we are all equal, then we should live together too."[13] He also supports "College for Everyone" initiatives.

Although Edwards initially supported the Iraq War, he later changed his position and in November 2005 wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post in which he said he regretted voting for the Iraq War Resolution, and discussed three solutions for success in the conflict.[14] He has denounced the "troop surge" in Iraq, is a proponent of withdrawal, and has urged Congress to withhold funding for the war without a withdrawal timetable.[15]

On social policy, Edwards supports abortion rights and has a universal healthcare plan that requires all Americans to purchase healthcare insurance,[16] "requires that everybody get preventive care,"[17] and requires employers to provide health care insurance or be taxed to fund public health care.[18] He supports a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants,[18] is opposed to a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage;[19] and supports the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).[20]

He has endorsed efforts to slow down global warming[21] and was the first presidential candidate to make his campaign carbon neutral.[22]

from his wiki and he carried those policies over to the Senate.

[Egnever]

58. what part of fake dont you get?

he says all kinds of shit and then does something else FAKE

He cares about the little people but fucks over his wife.

he didnt just vote for the IWR he helped author it, excuse me if I dont buy his change of heart when he is running for president,

The list goes on and on with this tool.

[reddread]

93. apparently hindsight and the blind is a different story

how many good hearted people were absolutely taken in by this
stalking horse?
vote ugly, vote often.
for democracies sake.

[Marrah_G]

90. I will never support him again

Had he won the primaries he would have cost us the election.

[Sunlei]

95. republicans made sure of that before the primaries when they knocked hard on everyone running for D

[Sunlei]

96. and yes sure he was an ass to his wife & family. but he was set-up with the court cases bigtime.

[Marrah_G]

101. His Mistress had his baby while working on his campaign..........

He wasn't set up. He got CAUGHT.

Imagine if he had won the primary and THEN got caught.

[reddread]

102. do you think the other campaigns believed his campaign manager as baby daddy?

the wheels were kept on for reasons other than "maybe we can get away with it"
The other campaigns, especially, please, the Repubs with NSA hooks, knew all about it.
Stalking horse.
Dont let it happen again.

[Sunlei]

103. I know he has a child by his mistress. The court case had nothing to do with his cheating ways

[onehandle]

45. The DLC hasn't existed for years and our current President is indistinguishable from a 'DLCer.'

So is VP Biden for that matter.

[peacebird]

47. Both are DLCers, regardless of whether DLC is still formally acknoledged

[eilen]

75. Hillary might as well have won

since Obama and she pretty much ended up exactly the same on key issues. So what is the difference between them other than optics?

If you are not thrilled with the priorities of the Obama administration, I think you might want some other choices. OTH, if you think everything is just groovy, then Clinton is your obvious choice and be prepared for more of the same except that I think Clinton is more hot tempered than Obama so there might be some entertaining soundbites. As you know there will be just as much brinksmanship on the Right because there is nothing the Republican party hates more than a black man in the White House -- a Clinton there (in particular Hilary).

I guess we would probably feel the same way about Jeb Bush.

[PassingFair]

97. Hillary never met an attack she didn't like.

She is a hawk.

If she is our candidate, I'll vote for her, but I wont lift a finger or
spend a dime.

[Alhena]

33. Great news, she's running ...

yeah, not crazy about the content of her remarks, but the Repukes simply are not going to beat Hillary in 2016. So overall good news.

[Beacool]

35. This has been public knowledge for a long time.

Biden himself spoke about it. Hillary wasn't attacking him. They have been friends for years. She also likes and respects Gates, and he too was opposed to the raid.

BTW, Tom Taylor is a Republican. It sounds that he was trying to stir the pot.

[Fumesucker]

40. Who could think otherwise after Tuzla? n/t

[progree]

68. And no wonder, ever since this video emerged, she has nothing to fear on that score

More videos (just scroll through) at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023406166

[Nine]

42. So Politico says that AJC says that REPUBLICAN state Rep. Tom Taylor says that Hillary said that...

...Biden was against the raid. Which was already common knowledge. And that she's running for president.

Are DUers just buying everything these days?

[winter is coming]

44. Who gives a shit? n/t

[stillcool]

48. really?

How much did politico get for that?

[stlsaxman]

87. Mega-$$$$

towing the line for the Koch Media is a very, very profitable business.

Politico/PBS/NPR/FOX has the market cornered.

[Cha]

50. What about PBO?.. he was for it.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

76. PBO? Who is that?

Feeling dense this morning, I don't recognize the initials.

[Cha]

78. President Barack Obama.. :)

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

80. Ok, thanks. But shouldn't it be "BHO"?

Are we trying to avoid the reminder that his middle name is "Hussein"?

After all, what kind of middle name is "Fitzgerald"? Or "Baines"? Or "Delano"? Or "S"? (I think Truman only had an initial). Or "Rudolff"?

[Cha]

81. No, it is what it is.. I've been using those intitials for

a long time now on internet boards for brevity's sake.

We all know PBO's middle name is Hussein and couldn't care less. We're proud of him.

[progree]

82. Why not POTUS-BO (President of the United States - Barack Obama)?

OK, so it's not that clever or funny. Back to the drawing board. But I like how it sounds.

[Cha]

83. I do that too.. mix it up. Been writing about him for years..

Viva Variety! Pres Obama

[snooper2]

52. at this point I hope she doesn't run

just because of the internet drama it will draw..

[YOHABLO]

53. It's the same ole song and dance with these Dems .. I don't get the Clinton ''third way'' crap.

Capitalism destroys ... period. The end.

[marble falls]

61. Is Joe running. She upported most of W's war agenda, too.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

62. brian schweitzer 2016

He's making rounds supporting the President and the ACA right now, not trying to score political points.

[Arugula Latte]

63. Bad form and crappy timing.

[2banon]

65. omg.. please say it ain't so.

please no, please no, please no.

[trublu992]

69. Oh God and so it begins the non stop me me me Clinton train!

[JDPriestly]

70. I'm happy to hear that both the pros and the cons were presented and defended.

That suggests to me that the concept was well considered.

But it is very Hilllary to be "Nanee, Nanee, I was right and Biden was wrong." I bet she was wrong and Biden was right many times.

Hillary makes me think of the girl in the first grade who tattled on everyone.

Hillary was right about attacking Bin Laden. Americans and the world needed finality in that situation. But we see the problems in her personality in the fact that she is bragging not just about being right but about her bragging that she was right AND someone else was wrong.

Hillary lacks some sort of kindness. What a tactless thing to advertise. She could have made it very clear that she supported the Seal attack against Bin Laden without mentioning or tearing down Biden. She loses friends because of this pettiness in her personality. I really don't like her personality.

[Fearless]

71. Which is why I'd vote for Joe before her.

He's a bigger person.

[reddread]

85. He could never get arrested in the primaries, EVER, before

giving him top billing in 2016 would be the same as
printing Jeb's name on the Inaugural Invites.
Dont play along.

[Fearless]

109. You are entitled to your opinion

Please don't try to tell me I'm not entitled to mine.

[Fearless]

73. Debate predictions...

He'll seem like a down-to-earth likeable guy and she'll seem like she thinks she's holier than thou.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

77. It's "putting it to Biden" if it's false ...

If it's true, then it's simply a distinction. We can compare the record of Clinton and Biden (and others) to make a decision in the primary.

How did Biden react to this disclosure (or reminder)?

[Nine]

88. Gossip. And here's the Republican nobody who is making the claim:

http://www.house.ga.gov/representatives/en-US/member.aspx?Member=767&Session=21

I guess some "progressives" will believe the snide, unconfirmed gossip of a Republican Georgia state representative if it serves to bash the Democratic potential presidential candidate they don't favor.

[Evergreen Emerald]

92. Thank You!

I remember Randi Rhodes saying that If an animal crawled out of the alley and said "Clinton told me..." the news media would report it as truth--and the American people would believe it.

I truly believe that the campaign against her by repubs in the 90s swayed even liberals who apparently love to hate her.

[Beacool]

107. Of course they would, they will believe anything against the Clintons.

It just makes one want to puke. We might as well be at a RW site.

[GeorgeGist]

89. Sounds like a setup question ...

For a vain glory suit.

[Marrah_G]

91. I won't be supporting either of them

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

94. This is a conversation we don't need to have right now

At this point I don't care about this. It's as though this is being leaked to distract, and divide, Democrats or those who vote Democratic because the only other choice we have right now is unacceptable. Let's get to within 6 months of that election to talk about this.....

[malthaussen]

99. And so the primaries begin. n/t

[greatauntoftriplets]

111. Sorry, but this is analysis/background and so we are locking it.

Please feel free to re-post in GD. Thanks.