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madinmaryland

(65,729 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:39 PM Oct 2013

Judge Sets Aside Conviction, Orders New Trial For Michael Skakel In Martha Moxley Murder

Source: The Hartford Courant

In a long and biting decision, a state judge on Wednesday set aside Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel's murder conviction and ordered his retrial in the 1975 death of Greenwich teenager Martha Moxley because of the glaring ineffectiveness of Skakel's original trial lawyer.

Judge Thomas Bishop devoted long stretches of his 136-page decision, dated Wednesday, to a harsh critique of Skakel's original trial lawyer Michael Sherman. Skakel is about halfway through a 20-year-to-life prison sentence for Moxley's murder.

" …defense counsel was in a myriad of ways ineffective," Bishop wrote. "The defense of a serious felony prosecution requires attention to detail, an energetic investigation and a coherent plan of defense capable executed. Trial counsel's failures in each of these areas of representation were significant and, ultimately, fatal to a constitutionally adequate defense."

"As a consequence of trial counsel's failures as stated, the state procured a judgment of conviction that lacks reliability," Bishop wrote. "Although defense counsel's errors of judgment and execution are not the fault of the state, a defendant's constitutional right to adequate representation cannot be overshadowed by the inconvenience and financial and emotional cost of a new trial. To conclude otherwise would be to elevate expediency over the constitutional rights we cherish."

Read more: http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-skakel-retrial-1024-20131023,0,7930940.story

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Judge Sets Aside Conviction, Orders New Trial For Michael Skakel In Martha Moxley Murder (Original Post) madinmaryland Oct 2013 OP
If this is true, is it possible for any perosn using a public defender to have a constitutionally Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #1
There are many bright, hard working public defenders. Shrike47 Oct 2013 #15
That's true, but burnout happens quickly Warpy Oct 2013 #33
I am not saying they aren't bright, but they are grossly overworked. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #39
Overworked and severely underfunded . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #70
Yes elleng Oct 2013 #19
Of course but it does raise the questrion of whether the states are adequately funding these offices rug Oct 2013 #29
Sherman was not a public defender iirc yardwork Oct 2013 #79
wow...10 yrs to get a another trial. madrchsod Oct 2013 #2
Yeah, well too bad. He certainly acted guilty. Think of all the years Martha lost. marble falls Oct 2013 #5
"acted guilty"? "Think of all the years Martha lost"? pnwmom Oct 2013 #7
You don't think the lost years that Martha lost speaks for some sort of justice...... marble falls Oct 2013 #11
The years she lost doesn't mean someone should be convicted pnwmom Oct 2013 #13
And he'll admit guilt to a lesser charge at best, jump bond at worst. He's not walking.... marble falls Oct 2013 #16
He did it Scairp Oct 2013 #28
And he used a 6 Iron to beat her skull in warrant46 Oct 2013 #30
None of his DNA or fingerprints or hair or fiber pnwmom Oct 2013 #51
I guess its up to the Jury again warrant46 Oct 2013 #52
Despite the family money, this defendant did not hire even pnwmom Oct 2013 #53
An alibi defense in my state requires a defendant to file a Notice Of Alibi warrant46 Oct 2013 #55
How come you only saw a couple of these filed? pnwmom Oct 2013 #60
Not many alibis in most criminal cases warrant46 Oct 2013 #63
this is incorrect inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #102
No, that isn't it. pnwmom Nov 2013 #103
I was responding to this quote by you inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #104
What is incorrect? The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense pnwmom Nov 2013 #105
THIS is incorrect: The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #107
"An" alibi defense isn't sufficient. Sherman failed to put on pnwmom Nov 2013 #108
you mean alibi witness, not defense - there was an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #110
No, it doesn't come down to believing what Michael told Sherman. pnwmom Nov 2013 #111
you don't know what you are talking about inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #112
I should have said that the Grand Jury testimony put Sherman on notice. pnwmom Nov 2013 #113
No one had any reason to believe he could alibi Michael. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #115
It was up to the defense attorney never to assume anything. pnwmom Nov 2013 #116
If you read the previously posted case law cited by the State's Attorney, Susann Gill, inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #118
The previously posted case is irrelevant because the judge's ruling now pnwmom Nov 2013 #120
The judge's decision is being challenged. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #122
This judge has written an extremely strong decision. pnwmom Nov 2013 #123
They never found the grip end of the golf club inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #94
True. But that doesn't change the fact that we don't know pnwmom Nov 2013 #96
unlike the tutor and the gardener.... inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #98
There is no reliable report that he did so. When you only weigh pnwmom Nov 2013 #99
It's not hard inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #109
Three people said he was in the next town, watching a movie. pnwmom Oct 2013 #31
Sorry, that is bullshit Scairp Oct 2013 #37
Your "case" is bullshit. The fact that the cops did a poor job on the case pnwmom Oct 2013 #38
You do understand what you are doing right? Scairp Oct 2013 #42
I'm taking the side of someone who is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. pnwmom Oct 2013 #44
didn't he admitt that climbed a tree and masturbated while peeping in her window? nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #47
That isn't murder, is it? And that tree was 300 yards pnwmom Oct 2013 #49
so that is his alibi? "I was on the other side of the house peeping in a window and arely staircase Oct 2013 #57
No, his alibi is that he was in a different town at the time the DA says pnwmom Oct 2013 #58
ok arely staircase Oct 2013 #66
Dominick Dunne ran basically a hate campaign pnwmom Oct 2013 #67
Dunne kind of had a dog in this fight Scairp Oct 2013 #75
different versions different trees inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #114
Yes Scairp Oct 2013 #68
The tree was 300 yards away from the tree near where she was found. pnwmom Oct 2013 #77
This is incorrect. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #119
On the opposite side of the very big house from where Michael pnwmom Nov 2013 #121
more than an hour after her death? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #124
By the state of her stomach contents, the death was no later than 10 p.m. pnwmom Nov 2013 #125
They need not agree on the time of death inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #126
But they wouldn't be able to agree that he was the killer pnwmom Nov 2013 #127
What other witnesses? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #128
You didn't bother to read the judge's opinion, did you? pnwmom Nov 2013 #129
I thought you were still discussing the time of death inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #130
Have you read the opinion yet? n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #131
Of course, I have. inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #132
Lie detector tests are bullshit alarimer Oct 2013 #73
Fine. There were 5 witnesses and we can pretend there were no pnwmom Oct 2013 #74
Lie detector tests are bullshit - yes they are inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #87
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #88
Hey! They're as accurate as a shiny new dime! rock Nov 2013 #91
No he did not. He put himself up in a tree 300 yards away pnwmom Oct 2013 #50
Mickey Sherman did present an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #89
because they spent those years appealing for various other reasons TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #83
Michael Sherman was a showboating fool, and that trial was a joke alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #3
"in all likelihood guilty"? It never seemed that way to me. pnwmom Oct 2013 #8
I always seriously doubted his guilt. liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #25
+1,000,000 n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #36
You're right Warpy Oct 2013 #34
Agree sbout Sherman. I followed that trial. yardwork Oct 2013 #80
I wonder how many poor people get retrials because their lawyer sucked BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #4
That was my first thought. nt madinmaryland Oct 2013 #6
Many try and a few succeed. Shrike47 Oct 2013 #17
They're not eligible..... BronxBoy Oct 2013 #40
Probably not nearly enough. But when someone with money pnwmom Oct 2013 #45
I'm very glad about this I never thought he was guilty in the first place Rene Oct 2013 #9
Me neither, I'm equally glad liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #26
Weren't Mark Furman and Lucienne Goldberg Rozlee Oct 2013 #10
Dominick Dunne nt ANOIS Oct 2013 #12
Him, too. And also Jeffrey Toobin, who had his ass handed to him tonight duffyduff Oct 2013 #24
Furman wrote a book pointing the finger at Michael TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #85
THE Mark Fuhrman?! KamaAina Nov 2013 #133
*Fume* Rozlee Nov 2013 #134
Derp. KamaAina Nov 2013 #135
Robert Kennedy makes a very strong case for Skakel's innocence here: pnwmom Oct 2013 #14
And that's why we don't allow family on juries. Michael also admitted guilt to his father. marble falls Oct 2013 #18
Have you read the article? Kennedy made a very detailed case. pnwmom Oct 2013 #21
You are correct. There was reasonable doubt all over this case. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #23
Family friend Mildred “Aunt Cissy” Ix told the grand juror: inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #90
Third hand testimony from someone who couldn't remember pnwmom Nov 2013 #92
She claims her best friend's husband told her inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #93
He dressed Toobin down tonight, and Toobin had to backtrack a bit duffyduff Oct 2013 #22
If every murder case.. sendero Oct 2013 #54
I'm sure it seems like an awfully long time for him, too. nt pnwmom Oct 2013 #59
The Kennedy menfolk look out for each other. nt Laffy Kat Oct 2013 #56
Thanks, read the entire piece and then his father's take on gambling in 1962. Much to think about. freshwest Oct 2013 #82
Corrections by prosecutor Benedict, attorney, Eugene J. Riccio, and Greentown author, Tim Dumas inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #95
Well, the judge agrees with the defense that Sherman didn't pnwmom Nov 2013 #97
huh? inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #100
I was responding to your very first point: that Sherman pnwmom Nov 2013 #101
This is incorrect. Skakel did not accuse Sherman of failing to pursue an alibi defense inmyhumbleopinion Nov 2013 #106
Good. That was a witchhunt by media solely because this guy was a "Kennedy" cousin. duffyduff Oct 2013 #20
There is zero evidence that anyone other than Michael Skakel killed Martha Moxley. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #27
There were no fingerprints, DNA, or witnesses that connected pnwmom Oct 2013 #32
There is zero evidence Skakel did it. This was a media-orchestrated witchhunt. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #35
Finally Scairp Oct 2013 #43
Then there's also zero evidence that anyone other than I killed her, too. Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #84
The burden of proof . . . markpkessinger Nov 2013 #117
Did the almost Kennedy admit it or not? Redford Oct 2013 #41
No, he didn't. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #65
Was there ever any doubt that they would eventually find a judge to make this ruling? hughee99 Oct 2013 #46
He will be found guilty again, as his own words damned him, irrevocably. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #48
No, they didn't. And 5 witnesses put him in the next town pnwmom Oct 2013 #61
Yes--they did. You forget that Michael Skakel taped the book proposal where msanthrope Oct 2013 #62
What you don't realize is that he put himself in a different tree pnwmom Oct 2013 #64
I don't think Mickey Sherman believed the alibi defense, and I think he refused to suborn perjury. msanthrope Oct 2013 #71
Well, at this point he's legally innocent till proven guilty. pnwmom Oct 2013 #72
I bet he regrets masturbating in the tree (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #86
Poor lawyer treestar Oct 2013 #69
"Media" has hounded the Kennedy family... Mike Nelson Oct 2013 #76
Just another case of if one is... MicaelS Oct 2013 #78
That should be the standard in all trials: freshwest Oct 2013 #81

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. If this is true, is it possible for any perosn using a public defender to have a constitutionally
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:43 PM
Oct 2013

adequate defense?

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
15. There are many bright, hard working public defenders.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:57 PM
Oct 2013

In Oregon, where I live, criminal defendants charged with murder usually get good representation.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
33. That's true, but burnout happens quickly
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:32 PM
Oct 2013

My upstairs neighbor in Boston went into public law because it was a great way to learn the criminal lawyer ropes while getting part of her student loan debt forgiven for every year she stuck with it. When she first got hired, she presumed them all innocent and if they weren't, would work overtime to get them anger management, rehab, and whatever else she could think of in lieu of jail time.

Fast forward six months and she grumbled about a repeat offender late one Xmas Eve. I asked if she was going to make it to night court and try to get him released for Xmas and it was "Nah, leave him in there, it's what he gets for shoplifting booze on Xmas Eve. We're all going to have a safer Xmas that way."

When PDs see these same guys doing stupid stuff over and over and being so bad at it they keep getting caught and not catching a clue that maybe they weren't mentally up to a life of crime, they stop caring about them. Eventually that can spread to people who aren't repeaters.

The case load is massive and the rewards few and that is very sad.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
39. I am not saying they aren't bright, but they are grossly overworked.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:23 PM
Oct 2013

And most of the courts or DA's don't give a damn about the poor that are served by public defenders and more and more often are sent to privately run prisons for profit.

And I seem to be going off on a rant.

markpkessinger

(8,912 posts)
70. Overworked and severely underfunded . . .
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 06:52 PM
Oct 2013

. . . relative to the District Attorneys who prosecute these cases.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
29. Of course but it does raise the questrion of whether the states are adequately funding these offices
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:21 PM
Oct 2013

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
2. wow...10 yrs to get a another trial.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:46 PM
Oct 2013

if he `s found not gullibility he`ll never get those ten+ years back...

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
7. "acted guilty"? "Think of all the years Martha lost"?
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:24 PM
Oct 2013

If Michael didn't do it, then there were two victims, not one. The fact that she lost her life doesn't make it okay that he lost ten years to prison.

By the way, I followed the trial and I never thought he "acted guilty."

marble falls

(71,927 posts)
11. You don't think the lost years that Martha lost speaks for some sort of justice......
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:41 PM
Oct 2013

even if pretending that Michael didn't do it?

Do you really believe that Michael couldn't afford competent representation? Do you think that if the acts of his attorney were so egregious it would have taken ten years to overthrow the case? Do you really think this case will not end with plea bargain of some sort? Do you really think he gets the same level of "justice" every one else gets in this world when one gets all the justice one can afford?

I've followed the case since it happened. Michael killed Martha with a golf club that belonged to his late mother. Michael and his brother were noted in their neighborhood for violence. The Elan School had a series of group therapy and private sessions where students were encouraged to participate in "primal screaming" and come clean about incidents in their lives which caused them guilt and sorrow. It was during this time at Elan that Michael supposedly admitted to his father and members of the Elan staff that he was involved in Martha Moxley's murder.

In June 1998 a one-man investigative grand jury was appointed to investigate the Moxley murder. Superior Court Judge George Thim was appointed and an 18-month deadline was set. During the investigation several former friends, classmates and teachers of Michael Skakel testified. In January of 2000, Judge Thim released his report which said there was enough reasonable cause pointing to Michael Skakel as the murderer of Martha Moxley.

Soon after, Skakel flew from his home in Florida to Greenwich and surrendered to the police. It was later decided that he would be tried as an adult even though he was 15 years old when the crime occurred. Michael's trial began in May 7, 2002, in Norwalk, Conn., 27 years after the murder was committed.

The trial lasted four weeks, and Michael Skakel was found guilty of murder. Choking back tears, Michael listened to Judge John F. Kavanewsky Jr. sentence him to 20 years to life in prison. Voicing his innocence, he refused to apologize for the murder which he insisted he did not commit.

Skakel's attorneys fought for a new trial in September 2003 after Gitano Bryant, cousin of NBA star Kobe Bryant, offered new evidence indicating that two friends of Bryant's confessed to beating a girl "cave man style" with a golf club they picked up Skakel's yard. The attorneys also tried to get the conviction thrown out because of the statute of limitations had run out and because prosecutors failed to turn over crucial evidence which could have exonerated Skakel.

On January 13, 2006, the Connecticut Supreme Court unanimously upheld the conviction.


Errors in the defense does not in itself mean he's not guilty, let alone "innocent".

Do you think he may jump bail waiting for retrial, cause I'd bet he will.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
13. The years she lost doesn't mean someone should be convicted
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:53 PM
Oct 2013

who wasn't guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That standard applies even in the case of a murder.

The judge has made his ruling. Now we'll see what happens.

marble falls

(71,927 posts)
16. And he'll admit guilt to a lesser charge at best, jump bond at worst. He's not walking....
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:03 PM
Oct 2013

on this. One judge reversed this judgement on procedure, not the facts. He'll never submit to a new trial. He's guilty.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
28. He did it
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:14 PM
Oct 2013

He put himself at her house that night, just feet from where her body was found the next day. Of course he did it. Unbelievable.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
52. I guess its up to the Jury again
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 03:55 PM
Oct 2013

As a public defender friend of mine said when we discussed this yesterday, it was hard for her to do 300 cases at a time effectively.

Because of the MANDATED CASE LOAD the PD could never provide the diligence or time needed for an adventure like this case.

The defendant had a never ending supply of $$$ which hired the best legal minds.

And used an infinite amount of time, to turn over all the leaves in the forest.

This is why some victims never get closure.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
53. Despite the family money, this defendant did not hire even
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:04 PM
Oct 2013

a decent legal mind, much less the best.

This is why the judge has ordered a new trial. For example, there was a witness who passed a lie detector test, putting Michael in the next town at the time of the murder, watching a movie (the time established by the prosecution and agreed to by the defense). That witness was confirmed by four other witnesses who said the same thing -- and yet the lawyer failed to put on an alibi defense.

I agree that P.D.'s are grossly overworked and underpaid, but even most of them would use an alibi defense if they had 5 witnesses to the alibi.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
55. An alibi defense in my state requires a defendant to file a Notice Of Alibi
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:39 PM
Oct 2013

with the Court. I was a DA for a number of years and only saw a couple of these filed. This gives the prosecution "Notice" to look at the alibi and see if there is any merit to it.

Although in my cases the defendant ultimately was convicted in spite of the alibi, when I was in private practice doing defense work, I used one of these and the DA at the time dismissed the case because he was convinced Justice required a dismissal.

Not filing the Notice could possibly be "Ineffective Assistance of Counsel" requiring a new trial which apparently happened here.

However just because there are no finger prints, DNA etc on the murder weapon it may not follow that the defendant is not guilty.

The Innocence Project has used DNA test results and obtained a reversal of conviction where some "other" persons DNA in an old case was on the murder weapon or on an article of clothing like underwear worn by a victim.

In one case this was the result http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Steven_Avery.php

It makes interesting reading if you are so inclined.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
63. Not many alibis in most criminal cases
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:32 PM
Oct 2013

They have to be specific RE: Time and place

Without any other evidence tying the defendant to the crime

If your business is broken into and something is stolen--- the defendant would have to account for every minute the building could have been broken into. And where He/she was and who could support the alibi.

Most cases are solved with other evidence such as possession of stolen goods etc

102. this is incorrect
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:06 PM
Nov 2013

There is a witness who passed a lie detector test, but he could not testify at trial who watched the TV show across town. He could no longer recall if Michael went with them.Two other witnesses (Michael's brother and cousin) testified they did watch the TV show w/ Michael across town. That's it. Only two family members could give Michael an alibi and the jurors did not find them to be credible because they remembered very little else about that night.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
103. No, that isn't it.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:12 PM
Nov 2013
http://articles.courant.com/2013-10-24/news/hc-ed-skakel-new-trial-20131024_1_thomas-skakel-state-witness-attorney-sherman

Michael Skakel had an alibi — he was at his cousin's house at the time of the killing — but Mr. Sherman didn't pursue a witness, a psychologist visiting the home that night.

Finally, a state witness named Gregory Coleman said Michael Skakel told him he committed the crime. Three witnesses could have refuted the testimony, but Mr. Sherman chose not to call them.

So, good work on the part of Michael Skakel's habeas lawyers, Hubert Santos and Hope Seeley. Mr. Santos is applying for Michael Skakel's release from prison where, according to sources, he has been a model inmate.

We are left to wonder whether the authorities arrested the wrong brother.
104. I was responding to this quote by you
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:37 PM
Nov 2013
For example, there was a witness who passed a lie detector test, putting Michael in the next town at the time of the murder, watching a movie (the time established by the prosecution and agreed to by the defense). That witness was confirmed by four other witnesses who said the same thing -- and yet the lawyer failed to put on an alibi defense.



This is incorrect.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
105. What is incorrect? The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:41 PM
Nov 2013

that the unrelated psychologist ALSO reported having seen Michael at the house.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-judge-orders-new-trial-for-skakel-in-1975-moxley-murder-20131028,0,731202.story?page=2

Bishop appears to have been swayed by one of those witnesses, Dennis Ossorio, a former psychologist from Rye Brook, N.Y., whose testimony bolstered Skakel's long-held alibi -- that he was with his brothers at a cousin's home watching a Monty Python show at the time of Moxley's murder.

Ossorio said he saw Skakel at the home watching the show that night because he was visiting his girlfriend at the time, Georgeann Skakel Dowdle, a cousin of Michael Skakel's. Skakel argued in his petition that Ossorio's testimony at trial would have helped him because the prosecution claimed that the only people who could support Skakel's alibi were family members.

Ossorio said that he was never questioned by police and never talked to Sherman.
In his ruling, Bishop noted that Ossorio "testified credibly," and that his testimony supported Skakel's "claim that during the likely time of the murder, he was away from Belle Haven, as he indicated."

If Sherman had put Ossorio on the witness stand, Bishop wrote, "there is a reasonable probability" that "the outcome of the trial would have been different."

107. THIS is incorrect: The lawyer did fail to put on the alibi defense
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:50 PM
Nov 2013

Sherman did mount an alibi defense. He called three Skakel brothers and two Skakel cousins as alibi witnesses. We are talking about one witness Michael is claiming he told Sherman about before trial. Sherman denies ever hearing his name. No other alibi witnesses mentioned Ossorio watching the TV show with them.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
108. "An" alibi defense isn't sufficient. Sherman failed to put on
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:54 PM
Nov 2013

the critical alibi defense that an unrelated person was there that night, who was ready and willing to testify.

Sherman can't excuse his mistake by saying Skakel didn't tell him, because the police knew all the people who were in the house that night, and they gave the names to Sherman. So Sherman knew about the psychologist and should have interviewed him.

Sherman, by the way, says he's glad a new trial has been ordered because he still believes Michael was innocent.

110. you mean alibi witness, not defense - there was an alibi defense
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:04 PM
Nov 2013

It comes down to believing Michael told Sherman about Denis Ossorio and even though Sherman didn't act on that information Michael didn't either. They had a private eye on retainer -Vito Colluci. One phone call to Vito would have solved the problem. Ossorio lives in the Greenwich area and followed the trial, but failed to come forward until after Michael sat in prison for 11 years? Unbelievable. No other alibi witness mentioned Ossorio watching the TV show with them - not to the police in 1975, not to the grand jury in 1998 and not at Michael's murder trial in 2002. How believable is that?

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
111. No, it doesn't come down to believing what Michael told Sherman.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:08 PM
Nov 2013

One of the relatives, Georgann Dowdle, testified to the Grand Jury who was in the house that night -- the relatives PLUS her "beau," the psychologist. Sherman had legal notice of this witness but failed to follow up on him.

112. you don't know what you are talking about
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:40 PM
Nov 2013

The cousin the psychologist was visiting said she never ventured out of the library and she did not see any of the Skakel boys - only heard their voices. None of the people who did watch the program told the police the psychologist also watched the show. Not Rushton, not John, not Jimmy, not even Michael.

There is no mention of Ossorio in the police report. Georgeann did not even tell the police she had company nor did the boys mention knowing he was there.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
113. I should have said that the Grand Jury testimony put Sherman on notice.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 10:04 PM
Nov 2013

(And also put the prosecutor on notice.)

I'm not talking about the testimony of Julia, the woman who only heard voices. I'm talking about the testimony of Georgann Dowdle, the other cousin who said that her "beau" was present. This "beau" was the psychologist who said he was ready and willing to testify that he had seen Michael more than once that night -- in the next town.

When Georgeann testified to the Grand Jury that her "beau" had been present, that obligated a conscientious attorney -- which Sherman apparently wasn't -- to follow-up.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-judge-orders-new-trial-for-skakel-in-1975-moxley-murder-20131028,0,731202.story?page=2

Bishop appears to have been swayed by one of those witnesses, Dennis Ossorio, a former psychologist from Rye Brook, N.Y., whose testimony bolstered Skakel's long-held alibi -- that he was with his brothers at a cousin's home watching a Monty Python show at the time of Moxley's murder.

Ossorio said he saw Skakel at the home watching the show that night because he was visiting his girlfriend at the time, Georgeann Skakel Dowdle, a cousin of Michael Skakel's. Skakel argued in his petition that Ossorio's testimony at trial would have helped him because the prosecution claimed that the only people who could support Skakel's alibi were family members.

Ossorio said that he was never questioned by police and never talked to Sherman.
In his ruling, Bishop noted that Ossorio "testified credibly," and that his testimony supported Skakel's "claim that during the likely time of the murder, he was away from Belle Haven, as he indicated."

If Sherman had put Ossorio on the witness stand, Bishop wrote, "there is a reasonable probability" that "the outcome of the trial would have been different."

115. No one had any reason to believe he could alibi Michael.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 12:29 AM
Nov 2013

There is no Julia. Julie Skakel is Michael's sister she did not go to the Terrein/Dowdle's to watch the TV show. Georgeann is the cousin who said she was in the library with her beau and she never ventured out. She said she only heard the boys and could not tell if Michael was one of them or not. Not one of the boys there said they even knew her beau was in the house, much less, that he watched the program with them. No one had any reason to believe he could alibi Michael. So it does come down to believing if Michael told Sherman who the beau was and that the beau watched the show with them. Mickey says no.

From the habeas trial brief:


Although petitioner testified in this proceeding that he gave Attorney Sherman two names, Denis Ossorio and Ian
Kean, as boyfriends of Georgann’s who could verify his presence at the Terrien residence, his self-serving
testimony must be rejected. HT 4/30: 109;

see
Purdy v. Zeldis, 337 F3d 253, 259 (2d Cir. 2003)(“in most instances
a convicted felon’s self-serving testimony is not likely to be credible.”) It is simply preposterous to suggest that both
Sherman and Throne, who dedicated years of their professional lives to the preparation of this case and who
continue to exhibit extraordinary loyalty to their former client, would ignore such information.

In light of the fact none of the persons who testified they were at Terriens that night ever indicated they had seen
Georgann Dowdle’s “beau” or that he had actually watched television with them, and the fact that Georgann
Dowdle admitted she never saw her Skakel cousins that night and, while hearing their voices, could not identify the
voice of any particular Skakel cousin, there is no basis on which to find Sherman ineffective for not discovering the
identity of the “beau.” Under these circumstances, Georgann’s cryptic reference in her Grand Jury testimony to
being in her mother’s library with her beau did not give any reason to believe the beau ever saw Michael Skakel, or
that he would know who he was if he had. Importantly, Georgann stated she never ventured out, and, as indicated
stated she did not see her cousins. The bottom line of her testimony was that she could not verify Michael Skakel’s
presence at the house that night, and never volunteered any information leading one to believe her beau could.

See
T. 5/23: 57-65.
“An ineffective assistance of counsel claim cannot rest upon counsel's alleged failure to engage
in a scavenger hunt for potentially exculpatory information with no detailed instruction on what this information may
be or where it might be found.”
United States v. Farr,
297 F.3d 651, 658 (7th Cir.2002)

Gaines v. Commissioner, 306 Conn. 664 (2012) (defense counsel ineffective in not investigating alibi witness) is
not to the contrary. In Gaines, counsel acknowledged that his client had given him the name of the potential
witness as his next door neighbor, one of only two persons he knew in the Bridgeport area, and the sister of a
state’s witness. In addition, petitioner denied being present at the shooting but told his attorney he could not
account for his whereabouts as he was not arrested until five months after the shooting. Under these
circumstances, the court held it was incumbent on the attorney to at least interview the neighbor. Here, by contrast,
petitioner, his siblings, and cousins supplied the police with the alibi shortly after the murder, without ever
mentioning Ossorio, and testified at the Grand Jury without mentioning Ossorio. Giving a detailed alibi and
supplying the names of those who were present certainly suggests that all the persons who were there have been
revealed. Sherman would have no reason to go looking for others who may have been present when there was
never any indication anyone else could verify Michael Skakel’s presence at Terrien’s that evening.

See
Williams v.Commissioner, 142 Conn. App. 744, 753-75 (2013).

At the criminal trial, the state asked John Skakel whether he saw Georgeann Terrien or her mother at the house
that night. He stated he could not recall seeing either of them. T. 5/28: 40. Sherman asked Jimmy (Terrien)
Dowdle if his sister, Georgeann, was at the house when they were watching Monty Python. He stated she was, but
added that she was in another section of the house and did not watch the show with them. T. 5/22: 16. None of the
alibi witnesses mentioned seeing Georgeann Dowdle’s boyfriend that evening.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
116. It was up to the defense attorney never to assume anything.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 12:40 AM
Nov 2013

You said:

"So it does come down to believing if Michael told Sherman who the beau was and that the beau watched the show with them."

This is incorrect. It doesn't come down to believing Michael about anything.

Dowdle testified to the Grand Jury that her beau was in the house that night. That put the defense attorney on notice that "beau" was there and obligated him to make an effort to interview that "beau" directly (not substituting his girlfriend's testimony) -- just as he did everyone else in the house that night. He failed to do so, and that is one of the reasons the judge ordered a new trial.

118. If you read the previously posted case law cited by the State's Attorney, Susann Gill,
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:21 AM
Nov 2013

you will see it does not support the standard to which you are holding Mickey Sherman. Michael Skakel's own appellate attorneys, the ones now arguing Mickey should have tracked down Ossorio did not, themselves, track him down in support of the MANY previous appeals they have filed on Michael's behalf. Are they the next attorneys Michael Skakel will claim were ineffective?

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
120. The previously posted case is irrelevant because the judge's ruling now
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:44 AM
Nov 2013

is the one that matters. Maybe you should actually read it.

But there are two separate issues here. The most recent trial was on the basis of inadequate representation, which was NOT the focus of his earlier appeals.

122. The judge's decision is being challenged.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:08 PM
Nov 2013

The cited case's relevance won't be decided by you or me.


pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
123. This judge has written an extremely strong decision.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:31 PM
Nov 2013

And he's already decided on the relevance (or lack) of that case.

You're right though; his decision is being challenged.

94. They never found the grip end of the golf club
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:15 PM
Nov 2013

The part of the murder weapon that would have, most likely, contained fingerprints was never found. It's also the part of the murder weapon that at one time bore a nameplate inscribed "Mrs. R.W. Skakel, Greenwich CC, Greenwich, Conn."

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
96. True. But that doesn't change the fact that we don't know
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:47 PM
Nov 2013

whose fingerprints would have been found on it.

The gardener who lived in the basement was a possibility, and he'd had a violent background. And the tutor was another possibility.

The 120 pound 15 year old was one of several males who were considered, and the strong adult men were much more likely candidates, IMO.

98. unlike the tutor and the gardener....
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:03 PM
Nov 2013

Michael, reportedly, confessed to murdering Martha.

How much do you think a person has to weigh to be able to knock someone out while wielding a golf club?

How hard is it to drag 120 lbs across a leafy grass lawn? Martha was wearing a nylon parka. Ever see the "Slider" ads where the little old lady pushes a sofa across the room with one finger?

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
99. There is no reliable report that he did so. When you only weigh
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:49 PM
Nov 2013

120 pounds yourself, it is HARD to drag another 120 pound body across a lawn.

Maybe it would be possible with a slider . . . .

109. It's not hard
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:56 PM
Nov 2013

a nylon jacket on leafy grass would act as a slider. I've seen kids at a firefighters challenge drag a dummy that weighed the same as they did across asphalt. It's not that hard to do. Have you seen kids drag each other around using a towel? I have.

The tutor would not have to have dragged her. He could have carried her easily.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
31. Three people said he was in the next town, watching a movie.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:27 PM
Oct 2013

And one of them took a lie detector test.

He was a skinny, 120 pound 15 year old, hardly capable of pulling off such a violent murder and then dragging a body that weighed as much as he did.

There were no fingerprints, DNA, or witnesses. What made you rule out the gardener who lived in the basement of the house, or the tutor -- both adult men who were strong enough to have carried out the crime.



Scairp

(2,749 posts)
37. Sorry, that is bullshit
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:00 PM
Oct 2013

Because this case was so screwed up by the cops in 1975 the time of death was very hard to pin down. He was away for a time but returned and because no forensic pathologist can give an accurate time of death, as an alibi for murder this is very weak. There was plenty of anecdotal evidence that Skakel liked Martha and she had a crush on Thomas Skakel. Only someone who really likes you does to you what was done to Martha. She was savaged, and none of this shit he was small he couldn't have done it. Women who weighed 100 pounds have managed to kill their much larger husbands AND gotten rid of the body. Michael Skakel is a killer, period.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
38. Your "case" is bullshit. The fact that the cops did a poor job on the case
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:11 PM
Oct 2013

isn't an argument for Skakel's guilt, and neither is the fact that Skakel liked Martha. "Only someone who really likes you does to you what was done to Martha" -- WHAT A CROCK!!!

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
42. You do understand what you are doing right?
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:09 PM
Oct 2013

You are taking the side of a child killer. How can you? And yeah, people kill those they love all the time. Or someone scorned, as Skakel was reported to have felt after Martha didn't like him back.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
44. I'm taking the side of someone who is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:39 PM
Oct 2013

The old conviction has been tossed and there hasn't been a new trial yet. Until he is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he's innocent.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
49. That isn't murder, is it? And that tree was 300 yards
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:52 PM
Oct 2013

(on the other side of a large house) from the different tree near where her body was found. And the time frame was wrong. The murder, according to three forensic people (including the state's forensic people) happened around 10 oclock at night, when Michael was in the next town. (Based on her stomach contents, etc.) Michael and the group he was with didn't return home till after 11:20.

And, FWIW, he never really saw into the window. The window he was trying to look in turned out to be her brother's. (Not that this matters because being a peeping-Tom isn't equivalent to being a murderer.)

One of the reasons the judge ordered a new trial is that his attorney failed to pursue an alibi defense even though there were five witnesses who said he was watching a movie in the next town.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
57. so that is his alibi? "I was on the other side of the house peeping in a window and
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:56 PM
Oct 2013

masturbating?" I will say this. That is certainly unusual.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
58. No, his alibi is that he was in a different town at the time the DA says
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:00 PM
Oct 2013

the murder took place. And 5 witnesses confirmed this, including one on a lie detector.


His story about the tree wasn't an alibi. They asked him to tell them everything he did that night and that's one of the things he did -- but sometime after 11:20 when he returned from watching the movie.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
66. ok
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:47 PM
Oct 2013

I dont have a dog in this fight and my knowledge is pretty much limited to the OP, vaguely remembering his trial and reading a wikipedia entry on it today.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
67. Dominick Dunne ran basically a hate campaign
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:52 PM
Oct 2013

against the two brothers, and finally settled on this brother. That campaign had a lot to do with the public opinion against the Skakel's, in my opinion, even though there were some obvious other candidates. (Like a gardener who lived in the Skakel's basement, and a tutor -- both strong, full grown men with much more of a capacity to carry out such a crime than the 120 pound 15 year old.)

The judge ordered a retrial, so I think it's only fair now to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
75. Dunne kind of had a dog in this fight
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 09:46 PM
Oct 2013

So to speak. I think everyone has forgotten that his daughter was murdered by her estranged boyfriend at about aged 21. I'm sure none of it was malicious, just empathy for the Moxley's because he knew what they had been through for so many years. He knew how the victim is often forgotten in these cases that get so much attention. Two of the jurors from the first trial have come forward today and made statements that they believe he is guilty and are sticking by their verdict. Which of course they should because Skakel is still guilty.

114. different versions different trees
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:50 PM
Nov 2013

At least four people have reported hearing the tree story from Michael. Two versions involve a tree close to the house that may have been near John Moxley's window. One version involves a tree from which Michael could see Martha coming out of the shower and getting dressed and one version involves a tree that was assumed to be the tree under which Martha's body was found. That tree was 161 ft from the northwest corner of the Moxley's house.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
68. Yes
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 06:20 PM
Oct 2013

In later years, AFTER the advent of DNA evidence became commonplace in criminal cases. I'm sure by the early 90's he was starting to worry about that, so he makes up this nutty story about climbing a tree near her window, where she wasn't because she never made it home, and doing this. I'm sure he couldn't think of any other way to explain his semen in her yard. Unfortunately for him there was nothing to find. Or if there had been the authorities of the time didn't save it or missed it. This murder screwed with all their worlds and no one wanted to deal with it. They did a shitty job investigating. That doesn't mean that he didn't do it. Cops or others screw up valid cases all the time. Short of being there to witness it I'm positive he did it and I find this ruling outrageous in the search for justice for Martha.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
77. The tree was 300 yards away from the tree near where she was found.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:50 PM
Oct 2013

So it wouldn't have been any kind of explanation for anything.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
121. On the opposite side of the very big house from where Michael
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:46 AM
Nov 2013

said he was, in a tree, more than an hour after her death.

124. more than an hour after her death?
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:48 PM
Nov 2013

Only the killer knows how long she lived after she was last seen alive by others. Michael's tale of his trip through the crime scene was well within the time window provided at trial. At trial, the time of death could not be narrowed further than 9:30 pm to 5:30 am. Sherman tried mightily to prove it was 10:00pm, but he could not.

From the trial transcript:

(Whereupon, the Jury returned to the Courtroom.)

02 THE COURT: All right; folks, we will resume.

03 The information, in the Superior Court of

04 the State of Connecticut, Part A, February, 2001,

05 Jonathan C. Benedict, State's Attorney for the

06 Judicial District of Fairfield, accuses Michael Skakel

07 of murder and charges that at the Town of Greenwich,

08 Fairfield County in October, 1975, between the hours

09 of 9:30 p.m. on October 30, 1975 and 5:30 a.m. and

10 October 31, 1975-- let me repeat that. In October,

11 1975, between the hours of 9:30 p.m. on October 30,

12 1975 and 5:30 a.m. on October 31, 1975,
at Walsh Lane,

13 Greenwich, the said Michael Skakel with intent to

14 cause the death of one Martha Moxley did cause the

15 death of the said Martha Moxley in violation of

16 section 53(a)54(a) of sub A of the Connecticut General

17 Statutes dated at Bridgeport, Connecticut, this 2nd

18 day of February, 2001, signed Jonathan C. Benedict,

19 State's Attorney, for the Judicial District of

20 Fairfield.

21 The defendant is charged with the crime of

22 murder in violation of section 53(a) 54(a), sub A of

23 the penal code which insofar as it is pertinent to

24 this case provides as follows. A person is guilty of

25 murder when with intent to cause the death of another

26 person, he causes the death of such person.

27 For you to find the defendant guilty of this

00170

01 charge, the state must prove the following two

02 elements beyond a reasonable doubt. One, that the

03 defendant intended to cause the death of another

04 person and, two, that in accordance with that intent,

05 the defendant caused the death of that person.

06 Please note -- and that person being Martha

07 Moxley. Please note that time is not an essential

08 element of the crime of murder. The state is not

09 required to narrow the time of the commission of the

10 offense more than the available evidence warrants. It

11 is sufficient that the state proves the crime occurred

12 during the period set forth in the information. That

13 is, between 9:30 p.m. on October 30 and 5:30 a.m. on

14 October 31, 1975.


pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
125. By the state of her stomach contents, the death was no later than 10 p.m.
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:58 PM
Nov 2013

and Michael didn't arrive home till past eleven.

That instruction you provided does NOT mean the jury is instructed to disregard the testimony from the pathologists about time of death. To say that time is not an essential element of the crime of murder means just that. The prosecution is not required to narrow the time down.

HOWEVER the JURY can decide, based on the evidence presented (which was very clear in this case) that a death did occur within a certain time frame and that an alibi for that time frame is relevant.

126. They need not agree on the time of death
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:41 PM
Nov 2013

The jurors certainly can decide when they think she died, but it was not established that she died at ten. Half of the jury can decide she was killed when the dogs were barking and half can decide she was killed after the boys got back from Jimmy's house. They need not agree on the time of death, only that Michael was the killer.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
127. But they wouldn't be able to agree that he was the killer
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 09:58 PM
Nov 2013

if they accepted the time of death based on the evidence about the stomach contents; and the psychologist's strong testimony that he was still in the next town more than an hour later.

There now is a very strong case for reasonable doubt. And the judge agrees -- which is why he ordered the new trial. He says it is likely that if the jury had heard the testimony from the psychologist (and a couple other witnesses), the outcome of their decision would have been different.

128. What other witnesses?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 12:54 AM
Nov 2013

Ossorio is the only alibi witness who did not testify at the murder trial.

We'll see how strong his testimony will be if there is a new trial. The jurors do not have to accept Ossorio's testimony as credible. They will surely wonder why he did not come forward in 1975, at the 1998 grand jury, at the 2002 murder trial, or at the 2007 hearing for a new trial. He admits he knew Michael was in prison all this time!

Three people testified that Michael was across town at 10 pm, even though the original jury did not believe them - possibly because they were related to Michael - I would find their testimony more credible than someone who waited 38 years to come forward. Doesn't pass the smell test for me.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
129. You didn't bother to read the judge's opinion, did you?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 01:04 AM
Nov 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/10/24/nyregion/24skakel-document.html?_r=0

The judge begins the opinion with a recitation of the history of the case.

His discussion of the issue of the alibi and the psychologist begins on about page 50; and his discussion of the three witnesses who should have been called to impugn Coleman's testimony (the drug addict who claimed Michael had confessed) begins on about page 60.
130. I thought you were still discussing the time of death
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 02:58 AM
Nov 2013

and how it relates to the alibi witness testimony.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
73. Lie detector tests are bullshit
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:27 PM
Oct 2013

And I thought they were not admissible. If I were one a jury, I'd dismiss any lie detector tests as bullshit, no matter what they said.

87. Lie detector tests are bullshit - yes they are
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:53 PM
Nov 2013

One of Michael's alibi witnesses, his 16 year old brother John, did pass a lie detector test wherein he claimed Michael was across town at 10 pm. Their older brother, Tommy, 17, also passed a lie detector concerning his activities that night. He now claims he lied to the police in 1975. So much for the validity of those tests.

rock

(13,218 posts)
91. Hey! They're as accurate as a shiny new dime!
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:37 AM
Nov 2013

Welcome to DU. Pull up a seat and stay awhile.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
50. No he did not. He put himself up in a tree 300 yards away
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 02:57 PM
Oct 2013

from the different tree near where she was found. (At the opposite end of the large house.)

And the state's pathologists put the death at 10 pm. based on her stomach contents, but 5 witnesses put him in the next town till after 11:20.

He didn't go up in the tree until sometime after 11:20 when he returned home.

The judge ordered the new trial in part because the defense failed to pursue an alibi defense even though a witness passed an alibi defense who said he was in the next town at 10, the time of the murder; and four other witnesses confirmed this.

89. Mickey Sherman did present an alibi defense
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:12 PM
Nov 2013

Mickey Sherman did present an alibi defense. The jury did not believe his witnesses:
Brother Rushton 19
Brother John 16
Cousin Jimmy Dowdle 17 (AKA Jimmy Terrien)
Cousin Georgeann Dowdle - in her early twenties

A new witness has come forward -38 years later! Georgeann's beau Denis Ossorio. He is the only non-family member to claim Michael was across town at 10 pm.

RFK Jr. laments, “They never heard the testimony of the people who said he couldn't have done that…….. and if those people had come in and testified…”

Who is he talking about? Which five people have not been heard? All family members he listed [Rush Jr, Julie, John Skakel, Jimmy Dowdle and Georgann Dowdle] did testify at Michael’s murder trial.

Jimmy Dowdle’s older sister, Georgeann Dowdle, did testify at trial. On Sherman's direct she testified that she saw her brother and cousins Rushton Skakel, John Skakel, Michael Skakel arrive at her backcountry Greenwich home around 10 p.m. on the night of the murder.


BY MR. SHERMAN:


Q. When did Rushton Skakel, John Skakel, Michael Skakel and Jim Dowdle, your brother, when did they arrive at your home that evening?

A. I would say probably between 9:30 and ten at night.

Q. And, you saw them there?

A. I did.

Q. And, when did they leave?

A. Probably about 11 but, 11:30, but I am recalling on what I read from my document.



When cross-examined by John Benedict she admitted she told the grand jury she only heard the group, and because she did not see them, she could not say for sure whether Michael Skakel was with the group.


BY MR. BENEDICT:

Q. On page ten, beginning of line 22, [Grand Jury testimony of GeorgeAnn Dowdle taken September 22, 1998] do you recall seeing your brother, James, any time that evening? Answer, I am not sure that I saw him. I think I heard him. I was in my mother's library which is off the living room and I was in there with my beau at the time and I didn't really venture out. Question, when you say you have heard your brother James, you mean his voice or just noises or what? Answer, his voice but I am not sure. I don't know who was there at the time. There were a lot of voices. Question, there were a lot of voices? Answer, um-uh. Question, so it was just more than your brother James? Um-uh. Question, as you look back now, were you able to recognize any of the voices besides your brother's? Answer, I just know that they were cousins but I don't recollect whom was there. Question, by cousins, you mean children of Rushton Skakel? Answer, Skakels, yes. Question, as you look back today, can you tell whether or not you heard the voice of any specific child? Answer, no. Question, of Rushton Skakels? Answer, no, I really don't remember.

MR. BENEDICT: The state has no further questions at this point.


Georgeann Dowdle, reportedly, left the courtroom in tears.


Rush Jr. did testify at trial. He testified that he, Michael, Jimmy Dowdle and John Skakel all went to Terrien/Dowdle's house that night - not from 6 pm to midnight as in RFK Jr.’s claim, but from about 9:30 pm to about 11: 10 pm. No mention of Georgeann, her beau, or her brother, John Dowdle (more on him later),

Trial testimony of Rushton Skakel Jr.:

Q. And, who watched the movie with you -- the television show with you at Terrien's?

A. At Terrien's?

Q. Yes.

A. Jimmy Dowdle, my brother John and my brother, Michael.



Julie Skakel did testify at trial. She testified that she did not go to the Dowdle/Terrien’s. In fact, her infamous “Michael, come back here!” testimony placed Michael’s Monty Python alibi in doubt.


John Skakel testified that he no longer remembered who went to the Terrien/Dowdle's house that night, but he stood by his 1975 statement wherein he said Michael was with them. At trial he was specifically asked if he recalled “bumping into” Georgeann Dowdle, that night. He said he did not.


Trial testimony of John Skakel:

Q. Do you remember anybody being up there other than Jim Terrien, of course, when you got up there that night?

A. No, I don't.

Q. Do you recall coming across Terrien's mother?

A. No.

Q. Do you recall coming across Terrien -- Terrien had two sisters, is that correct, one Tedesh (ph) and one Georgeann?

A. Yeah, and then a sister Anne and then another sister Alexandra.

Q. Do you recall bumping into specifically Georgeann when you got up to the Terrien house that night?

A. No, I don't.


Jimmy Dowdle testified that he watched the show with Rush, John Skakel and Michael in both his own room and his brother John's room. No mention of his brother John Dowdle or Georgeann’s beau.


Trial testimony of Jimmy Dowdle

Q. And, Michael Skakel watched the show?

A. Yes.

Q. Rushton, Jr. watched the show?

A. Yes.

Q. John Skakel watched the show?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you have a sister, Georgeann?

A. I do.

Q. She was in the house?

A. She was.

Q. Did she watch the show with you or do you know where --

A. No, she didn't watch it with us.

Q. She was in and out or where was she?

A. She was just in another section of the house.

Q. You saw her then, though?

A. I did.

The only person in RFK's "Fab Five" who did not "come in and testify" at trial is Georgeann's beau, Denis Ossorio.


From Bishop's Memorandum:

At the habeas trial, Dennis Ossorio, now seventy-two years old, testified that in 1975, he, as a psychologist, was operating a program for women. He indicated that he then had a personal connection to Dowdle and that he had been at the Terrien home in the evening hours of October 30, 1975, visiting with Dowdle and her daughter. He testified that, while there, he had visited with the Skakel brothers, including the petitioner, and Terrien, while they were watching the Monty Python show on television. He indicated that he was in and out of the room where the others were watching Monty Python while Dowdle was putting her daughter to bed. Finally, he indicated that he left the Terrien residence at about midnight and was not sure whether the Skakels had left before him.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/24/skakel-wants-bail-so-he-can-see-his-son/

“I’m 70 and sometimes have some lapses,” Ossorio, a former psychologist from Rye Brook, NY, told The Post. “But there were certain things that were indelible about that evening that imprinted on my memory.”


I wonder if one of those lapses is his age? Bishops seems to think he is 72. I don't have the habeas trail transcription in front of me, but I recall Ossorio also placing John Dowdle - Jimmy and Georgeann's brother, at the Monty Python party. According to Michael Skakel in Dead Man Talking:

http://campyskakel.yuku.com/topic/3686/DEAD-MAN-TALKING-A-Kennedy-Cousin-Comes-Clean


Afterward I wandered off to my older cousin Johnny’s room. He was away somewhere.



According to the prosecution’s habeas trial post trial brief - with the exception of Georgeann’s mention of a nameless beau - no one claiming to be at the Dowdle/Terrien’s that night mentioned the presence of Denis Ossorio or anyone else not related to the family - not to the police in 1975, not to the grand jury and not at the murder trial.

Where has Denis Ossorio been all these years? In the Greenwich area! Why didn’t Georgeann contact him to give his statement to the police in 1975 or to testify at the grand jury in the late 1990's or at Michael’s murder trial in 2002? Why didn’t Rushie or John Skakel or Jimmy Dowdle think to mention him as a non-family member corroborating witness to the police in 1975 or before the murder trial or during one of Michael’s numerous appeals? What is up with that?

What caused Ossorio to come forward now after Michael has been rotting in prison for 11 years? Michael claims he gave Mickey Sherman Ossorio’s name before the trial. Mickey denies it. If true, what would have prevented Mickey from contacting Ossorio? He’s listed in the phone book! No money saving motive there. If Mickey did, in fact, ignore Michael’s pleas, what kept Michael from looking him up? Oh, I forgot – hiring an attorney is like riding on the Concorde, once you buy the pricey ticket you just sit back and enjoy the ride. Even if you learn the jet is way off course, low on fuel, and a phone call could prevent it from crashing and burning? Really, Michael? How could the Hon. Thomas Bishop fall for such utter BS?

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
83. because they spent those years appealing for various other reasons
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:32 PM
Oct 2013

All shot down. This latest appeal against his trial attorney happened to work. Funny how it took all those years to decide that his trial attorney sucked after all the other appeals that were thrown against the wall to see if one would stick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Skakel
Appeals

Skakel continued to fight his conviction. In November 2003, Skakel appealed to the Connecticut Supreme Court, arguing that the trial court erred because the case should have been heard in Juvenile Court rather than Superior Court, that the statute of limitations had expired on the charges against him, and that there was prosecutorial misconduct. On January 12, 2006, however, the Connecticut Supreme Court rejected Skakel's claims and affirmed his conviction. Subsequently, Skakel retained attorney and former United States Solicitor General Theodore Olson, who on July 12, 2006, filed a petition for a writ of certiorari on behalf of Skakel before the Supreme Court of the United States. On November 13, 2006, the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.[18]

Since then, Skakel has begun his first round of post-conviction proceedings, beginning with a petition for writ of habeas corpus and motion for new trial in the Connecticut trial court which originally heard his case. Skakel's cousin Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has brought forth Gitano "Tony" Bryant, cousin of Los Angeles Lakers player Kobe Bryant and a former classmate of Skakel at the private Brunswick School in Greenwich, Connecticut. In a videotaped interview with Skakel private investigator Vito Colucci in August 2003, Bryant said one of his companions on the night of Moxley's murder had wanted to rape her. Bryant said he did not come forward before because his mother had warned him, and he believed her, that as a black man he would be tagged for the unsolved murder. A two-week hearing in April 2007 allowed the presentation of this hearsay evidence, among other matters.[19] In September 2007, Skakel's attorneys filed a petition, based in part on Bryant's claims, asking for a new trial; prosecutors formally responded that Bryant may have made up the story to sell a play about the case.[20]

On October 25, 2007, a Superior Court judge denied the request for a new trial, saying Bryant's testimony was not credible and there was no evidence of prosecutorial misconduct in the original trial.[21] Skakel's lawyer appealed this decision to the Connecticut Supreme Court. On March 26, 2009, a five judge panel of the state Supreme Court heard arguments on this appeal.[22] On April 12, 2010, the panel ruled 4-1 against Skakel's appeal.[23]

Skakel then appealed based on a charge of incompetence against Mickey Sherman, his lead attorney at the trial. In an April 2013 hearing in Vernon, Connecticut, Skakel testified that Sherman, rather than focusing on Skakel's defense, instead basked in celebrity. Skakel also claimed that Sherman was more interested in collecting fees to settle Sherman's own financial problems than in defending Skakel.[24] Sherman testified in defense of his actions, while continuing to maintain his belief in Skakel's innocence in the Moxley case.[25]

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
3. Michael Sherman was a showboating fool, and that trial was a joke
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:57 PM
Oct 2013

Unfortunately, Skakel is in all likelihood guilty, but it really can't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt without a lot of bullshit.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
8. "in all likelihood guilty"? It never seemed that way to me.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:26 PM
Oct 2013

It will be interesting to see what happens.

liberalhistorian

(20,905 posts)
25. I always seriously doubted his guilt.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:57 PM
Oct 2013

There was little evidence beyond the statements of a fellow rehab inpatient about what Skakel said during group therapies. I'm always suspicious about such "informants" because nine times out of ten they either didn't actually hear it right or are making shit up to benefit themselves or get attention. I think the fact that he was related by marriage to the Kennedys (he was the nephew of Ethel Skakel Kennedy, the wife of RFK) had more to do with the vendetta against him than his actual guilt.

In order to get true justice for the victim of such a horrendous crime, you need to convict the actual, real murderer and not just get any conviction for the sake of a conviction. Unfortunately, being married to an attorney and having once been in the legal support field, I know all too well how often that happens and how often the wrong person gets railroaded and is convicted.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
34. You're right
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:35 PM
Oct 2013

The whole thing was a colossal mess and I couldn't believe the jury came back with a guilty verdict on that.

He might or might not be guilty, but the evidence they presented at the time was all circumstantial and could have pointed to a terrible accident instead of cold blooded murder.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
80. Agree sbout Sherman. I followed that trial.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:05 AM
Oct 2013

I don't think the prosecution proved their case. I felt at the time that Sherman was incompetent and the jury convicted based on dislike of Skakel.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
17. Many try and a few succeed.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:04 PM
Oct 2013

In my state it's called Post Conviction Relief and that's the kind of law I practiced for 6+ years. During that time we had 5 murderer's convictions set aside, for various reasons. Inadequate assistance of counsel is difficult to prove, especially with retained counsel, but not impossible.

BronxBoy

(2,287 posts)
40. They're not eligible.....
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:27 PM
Oct 2013

Until they do 30 or 40 years first. In some cases, we may ask them to get executed first and things will be sorted out later

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
45. Probably not nearly enough. But when someone with money
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:41 PM
Oct 2013

can fight back, it exposes the flaws in the system -- which is to the advantage of other defendants.

liberalhistorian

(20,905 posts)
26. Me neither, I'm equally glad
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:58 PM
Oct 2013

to see it. It always disgusted me how he was railroaded by Kennedy haters.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
10. Weren't Mark Furman and Lucienne Goldberg
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:36 PM
Oct 2013

Involved heavily behind the scenes, using some best-selling writer, I can't remember his name, whipping up a public frenzy? I seem to remember something along those lines.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
24. Him, too. And also Jeffrey Toobin, who had his ass handed to him tonight
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:22 PM
Oct 2013

by RFK Jr.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
85. Furman wrote a book pointing the finger at Michael
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:02 AM
Oct 2013

That was the first time anyone even thought of it being Michael. It was also when the police for the first time decided to investigate Michael.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
134. *Fume*
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:42 PM
Nov 2013

He evidently also wrote a book hinting that Terry Schiavo had been murdered, with the entire hospital and staff complicit, evidently. What a POS.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
14. Robert Kennedy makes a very strong case for Skakel's innocence here:
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:54 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/01/a-miscarriage-of-justice/304759/

Celebrity trials can turn into media lynchings. Last year a Connecticut jury convicted Michael Skakel of killing his neighbor Martha Moxley twenty-seven years ago, even though the prosecution had no fingerprints, no DNA, and no witnesses. The author, a former New York City prosecutor, argues that his cousin's indictment was triggered by an inflamed media, and that an innocent man is now in prison.


ROBERT F. KENNEDYJAN 1 2003, 12:00 PM ET

The tragedy of Martha Moxley's death, twenty-seven years ago, has been compounded by the conviction of an innocent man.

I know Michael Skakel, my first cousin, as well as one person can know another. He helped me to get sober, in 1983. We attended hundreds of alcoholism-recovery meetings together. In that context and others we have shared our deepest feelings. For fifteen years we skied, fished, hiked, and traveled together, often with my wife and children. During that time I sometimes spent as many as two or three weekends a month in his company. Like nearly everyone else who knows him well, I love Michael. If he were guilty, I would have testified against him. He is not.

Until I recently visited him in prison, the two of us had been estranged for several years. Beginning in 1998, stress from the public focus on Michael as a murder suspect began to affect his personality. He lashed out at the Kennedy family, which he believed was partly responsible for his predicament, and refused to speak to me. On the two days I attended his court proceedings last year, in Norwalk, Connecticut, he was cold and distant. Many people asked me why I would publicly defend him—a cause unlikely to enhance my own credibility. I support him not out of misguided family loyalty but because I am certain he is innocent.

SNIP

marble falls

(71,927 posts)
18. And that's why we don't allow family on juries. Michael also admitted guilt to his father.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:04 PM
Oct 2013

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
21. Have you read the article? Kennedy made a very detailed case.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:20 PM
Oct 2013

And Michael didn't admit guilt to his father.

90. Family friend Mildred “Aunt Cissy” Ix told the grand juror:
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 08:19 PM
Nov 2013


8/11/98 GRAND JURY TESTIMONY OF MILDRED IX, p. 51

Mildred Ix:  Oh, I am trying to think.  I don't think it was Rush, I don't think it was Rush, it might have been, it could have been young Rush.  I can't remember who told me that but it was -- oh, it was, he, it was big Rush.  He said, he said Michael had come up to him and he said, you know, I had a lot to drink that night and I would like to see, I would like to see if, if I could have had so much to drink that I would have forgotten something and I could have murdered Martha.  And, I would like to make sure at that night knowing something like that happened so he asked to go under sodium pentothal or whatever it was.
93. She claims her best friend's husband told her
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 04:59 PM
Nov 2013

You'd have to ask her if she was serious or if she thought Rushton Skakel was serious and if Rushton thought his son Michael was serious. Maybe it was all a big joke. I'm just quoting the grand jury transcript - what she told Judge Thim while under oath.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
22. He dressed Toobin down tonight, and Toobin had to backtrack a bit
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:21 PM
Oct 2013

Toobin made a pile of money, just like Dunne did and Fuhrman did, on this case that had a ton of holes in it.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
54. If every murder case..
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 04:29 PM
Oct 2013

...... required DNA, fingerprints or witnesses, we'd send almost no one to jail for murder and murder would be exceedingly easy to get away with.

I don't have an opinion on this dude's guilt particularly but there a tens of thousands of people in jail that got a lesser defense than he did and they will never get a judge to order a new trial.

And it seems like an awfully long time for someone to decide something like that (bad trial) happened.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
82. Thanks, read the entire piece and then his father's take on gambling in 1962. Much to think about.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:28 PM
Oct 2013
95. Corrections by prosecutor Benedict, attorney, Eugene J. Riccio, and Greentown author, Tim Dumas
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:28 PM
Nov 2013

Regarding Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s article ("In Defense of Michael Skakel&quot , every morsel of exculpatory information relevant to the Skakel case was provided to the defense well in advance of trial. Attorney Michael Sherman was both relentless and thorough in his pursuit of all those matters at trial. What Kennedy avers in his lengthy diatribe consists, almost paragraph by paragraph, of distortions, facts taken out of context, half truths, nontruths, and Skakel family post-conviction revisionism.

At the same time, Kennedy chooses to either soft-pedal or ignore most of the state's most incriminating evidence. This, of course, results in a discounting of the cumulative effect of the state's case, which comes not the least from the thirteen separate witnesses to whom Skakel made either incriminating admissions or outright confessions. Kennedy also fails at even a pretense of a critical appraisal of the defense evidence, which, quite clearly, failed to impress the jury. My impression at trial was that the defense case was so lacking in credibility that our case actually built on it.

That Michael Skakel and his family are bewildered and angered at the conviction is hardly surprising. From the very night of this horrible crime they conducted themselves in the expectation that he would get away with murder. Thankfully, the State of Connecticut was able to thwart that expectation in a case tried fairly and truly.

Jonathan C. Benedict
State's Attorney
Bridgeport, Conn.


As Kenneth Littleton's attorney, I must respond to the inaccuracies and distortions contained in Robert Kennedy's article. Kennedy's attempt to point an accusatory finger at Littleton for the murder of Martha Moxley is unjustified, not only because it is erroneous but also because it unfairly seeks to use Littleton's subsequent emotional difficulties to somehow exonerate Michael Skakel, who was convicted of Moxley's murder.

Despite decades of law enforcement investigation, much of which took place with the cooperation of Littleton, no credible evidence has ever been developed that he was responsible for this ghastly murder, which occurred so soon after his employment by the Skakels.

Kennedy's scenario in which Littleton committed the murder in a drunken rage after Moxley refused his advances is absurd. I know of no evidence that Littleton was in an "alcoholic stupor" that evening. In addition, he was in the Skakel home with several members of the Skakel family and household staff, and friends. No information provided by any of these people in their various statements to the police over the years would suggest any unusual activities by Littleton during that evening. To postulate that Littleton, who never even saw Moxley, briefly left the house, beat her to death in a drunken rage, hid the body, and quickly returned to the house—without anyone's noticing anything unusual about his behavior or appearance—is preposterous.

Two additional points by Kennedy further illustrate the porosity of his argument. The composite sketch referenced in the article, of an individual seen in the vicinity that evening, is not of Kenneth Littleton, as Kennedy suggests, but of a neighborhood resident—as conclusively determined by the Greenwich Police Department years ago. Finally, the mysterious clothes, too large to fit any Skakel, found by a maid after the murder and apparently vigorously washed, were not Littleton's but Michael Skakel's. The police determined that he had borrowed them from someone at a camp the summer prior to the murder.

The case Kennedy presents against Littleton collapses when fact separates from fiction. Littleton has certainly had difficulties in the years since this tragedy. But none of these incidents would be admissible in any court to establish that he was responsible for this murder. Nor do they logically connect him to the murder—as Skakel's multiple admissions of killing Moxley connect him.

That a member of a family that has for so many years stood for the concept of fundamental fairness for all should choose to falsely attack an unfortunate and innocent man is regrettable.

Eugene J. Riccio
Bridgeport, Conn.


Though I admire Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s environmental work, I'm compelled to sprinkle some acid rain on his defense of Michael Skakel. Lack of space limits me to three areas of concern.

1) Ken Littleton, the Skakel tutor in 1975, once again finds himself in the role of scapegoat. Much of what Kennedy writes about him is either false or callously distorted. It is not true, for instance, that Littleton acknowledged having been in a drunken blackout on the night of the murder. Kennedy misinterprets a transcript in which Littleton referred to a blackout in 1984, during a car trip up the East Coast. The only person in this sad story prone to alcoholic blackouts in 1975 was Michael Skakel.

Littleton is an easy mark for people who, like the former state inspector Jack Solomon, see his mental illness as a manifestation of guilt. Improbably, Littleton's paranoia turned out to be justified. Until last summer's trial (which I attended, having written a book about the case in 1998 and wanting to see how it all turned out) Littleton spent a decade believing that he'd confessed to murdering Martha Moxley. How could this be? This is how: Littleton's ex-wife, acting at the behest of police investigators in 1992, told Littleton falsely that he had admitted to the crime during the alcohol-fueled delirium mentioned above. But the ruse failed to provoke the desired admission. "I said that?" was Littleton's bewildered reply. If the authorities truly believed that Littleton had said, for instance, "She wouldn't die. I had to stab her through the neck," they would have arrested him in no time flat—Inspector Solomon would have seen to it.

The notion that Littleton might be a serial killer was entertained seriously by only one man: Jack Solomon. Readers should not be fooled into thinking that Littleton was a viable suspect in other murders. And it is untrue that the Greenwich police detective Steve Carroll, whom I knew well, was anywhere near "convinced" of Littleton's guilt. Carroll leaned heavily toward Tom Skakel until, long after his retirement, evidence of Michael's involvement emerged. (My suspicions followed a similar route.)

Kennedy writes accurately that the police lost a well-scrubbed pair of dungarees, but they most certainly did not belong to Littleton, as Kennedy implies. Their provenance begins with a William Matthai, who gave them (name sewn in) to a fellow summer camper in New Hampshire: Michael Skakel. Finally, the police sketch that Kennedy describes as a "dead ringer" for Littleton—it is a pretty good likeness—also bears a strong resemblance to a neighbor known to be out walking that night.

Kennedy sometimes trips on his own reasoning. He argues, credibly, that the murder occurred around 10:00 P.M., and then puts Littleton in the Skakel kitchen at that hour. And since Kennedy acknowledges that Tom Skakel was with Martha Moxley until 9:50 and with Littleton from about 10:00 to 10:30, he all but rules out Littleton himself. (Those who would accept that a ten-minute window was sufficient for Littleton to zip out and savagely kill a girl he did not know must grapple with Julie Skakel's observation that at 10:00 Littleton seemed altogether normal—not "inflamed and in an alcoholic stupor.&quot

Kennedy notes (parenthetically but tellingly) that most of the Skakels say they believe the best evidence points not to Littleton but to the family gardener, Franz Wittine, who is conveniently dead. If Wittine was the monster that Kennedy describes, why did the Skakels sound no alarm in 1975?

2) Kennedy praises Michael's life of sobriety, attained in 1982, but seems mostly ignorant of his calamitous teen years. Let me help. Contrary to Kennedy's suggestion of mental soundness, Michael seemed in the grip of "a severe agitated depression . . . possibly of psychotic proportions," according to Sue Wallington Quinlan, a psychiatrist who examined him in 1977. "There is also great fury inside him focused primarily in hatred for his father," Quinlan wrote in her report. "This anger is very frightening . . ." One year later Michael led the police in Windham, New York, on a wild car chase that ended at the base of a telephone pole. (Kennedy demotes this to "a drunken car accident.&quot Thomas Sheridan, the family lawyer, observed at the time that Michael was "obviously a disturbed person" who "showed little or no remorse for having nearly killed the companion in his car . . . his only comment was 'Next time I won't get caught.'"

3) Kennedy's fixation on Dominick Dunne leads him to the unwarranted belief that the writer held the defense lawyer Mickey Sherman in his thrall and at the same time—through his "protégé" Mark Fuhrman—pressured Connecticut authorities to "indict a Skakel." In reality Sherman wasted few chances to attack Dunne's claims, and Michael Skakel wandered into Connecticut's crosshairs long before any "Fuhrman-Dunne view" could have coalesced. Inspector Frank Garr discovered in 1995 that Michael was now placing himself at the crime scene, and in 1996 that he had made damaging admissions to fellow denizens of Elan. (Kennedy dismisses the Elanites as "crackpots" eager to point a finger, but some who testified were, and remain, sympathetic to Michael. Two such people recall Michael's saying that either he or his brother Tom killed Martha Moxley; he couldn't remember, owing to his blackout.) At the time of Garr's discoveries Fuhrman had yet to hear Michael Skakel's name, though he would advance a very public case against him in 1998.

Kennedy does make some worthwhile points. The national press corps did little independent investigation despite lavish attention to the case, and TV "experts" perpetuated errors at a discouraging rate. I also grant Kennedy that the case against Michael was less than airtight. (I had expected a hung jury.) But in the end his defense of Michael Skakel, replete with errors, distortions, and clever hairsplitting, is of little authentic value to readers, much less to Skakel himself.

Timothy Dumas
Greenwich, Conn.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
97. Well, the judge agrees with the defense that Sherman didn't
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 05:50 PM
Nov 2013

give adequate representation. That's why he's ordered a new trial.

100. huh?
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 06:54 PM
Nov 2013

I was responding to your observation that Robert Kennedy makes a very strong case for Skakel's innocence.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
101. I was responding to your very first point: that Sherman
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:01 PM
Nov 2013

gave Skakel a good defense. You said:

"Regarding Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s article ("In Defense of Michael Skakel&quot , every morsel of exculpatory information relevant to the Skakel case was provided to the defense well in advance of trial. Attorney Michael Sherman was both relentless and thorough in his pursuit of all those matters at trial."

Regardless of what information the prosecution provided to Sherman, Sherman provided a poor defense, particularly with regard to his alibi -- such a poor defense that the judge has ordered a new trial.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/nyregion/skakel-gets-new-trial-in-75-killing-of-teenager-in-connecticut.html

Judge Bishop said Mr. Sherman had been “in a myriad of ways ineffective” as Mr. Skakel’s lawyer.

“The defense of a serious felony prosecution requires attention to detail, an energetic investigation and a coherent plan of defense” that is capably executed, the judge wrote. “Trial counsel’s failures in each of these areas of representation were significant and, ultimately, fatal to a constitutionally adequate defense. As a consequence of trial counsel’s failures as stated, the state procured a judgment of conviction that lacks reliability.”

SNIP

In seeking a new trial, Mr. Skakel and his lawyers claimed that Mr. Sherman failed to provide adequate representation. Among other things, Mr. Skakel accused Mr. Sherman of failing to pursue an alibi defense; failing to rebut the testimony of two schoolmates who maintained that Mr. Skakel had admitted to the murder; and failing to prepare an effective closing argument, a lapse Judge Bishop called “both inadequate and improper.”

“His argument was, in the main, an unfocused running commentary on the state’s evidence,” the judge wrote, adding that Mr. Sherman had failed to mention the notion of reasonable doubt. “Attorney Sherman’s argument did not provide the jury with any template for decision making,” the judge noted.

http://articles.courant.com/2013-10-24/news/hc-ed-skakel-new-trial-20131024_1_thomas-skakel-state-witness-attorney-sherman

Michael Skakel had an alibi — he was at his cousin's house at the time of the killing — but Mr. Sherman didn't pursue a witness, a psychologist visiting the home that night.

Finally, a state witness named Gregory Coleman said Michael Skakel told him he committed the crime. Three witnesses could have refuted the testimony, but Mr. Sherman chose not to call them.

So, good work on the part of Michael Skakel's habeas lawyers, Hubert Santos and Hope Seeley. Mr. Santos is applying for Michael Skakel's release from prison where, according to sources, he has been a model inmate.

We are left to wonder whether the authorities arrested the wrong brother.

106. This is incorrect. Skakel did not accuse Sherman of failing to pursue an alibi defense
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:46 PM
Nov 2013

Sherman did mount an alibi defense. He is being accused of not locating the only non-family witness to the TV watching party. This person, Denis Ossorio, has never been mentioned in any of Skakel's previous appeals - even though Michael claims he gave Sherman his name 11 years ago. Why didn't Michael give the name to his new attorneys who have been fighting for his release for 11 years? Sherman says Michael never told him about Ossorio or he would have called him. Not one of Michael's other alibi witnesses mentioned seeing Ossorio that night.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
20. Good. That was a witchhunt by media solely because this guy was a "Kennedy" cousin.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:20 PM
Oct 2013

There were more holes in that case than a slab of Swiss cheese.

RFK Jr. rather schooled Jeffrey Toobin tonight on this case.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
32. There were no fingerprints, DNA, or witnesses that connected
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 09:30 PM
Oct 2013

Skakel to the murder. The prosecutor could have constructed his case around the gardener with the basement apartment, or the tutor -- both adult men with the strength to have carried out the crime, unlike 120 pound 15 year old Skakel.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
43. Finally
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:13 PM
Oct 2013

A voice of reason. I guess the fact that the murder weapon came from the Skakel house seems not to have fazed them.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
84. Then there's also zero evidence that anyone other than I killed her, too.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:01 PM
Oct 2013

Does that make me guilty?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
46. Was there ever any doubt that they would eventually find a judge to make this ruling?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 12:27 PM
Oct 2013

For many, the justice system doesn't work at all, but if you have enough money and the right connections it works FOR you.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
61. No, they didn't. And 5 witnesses put him in the next town
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:19 PM
Oct 2013

when the murder occurred (time according to the prosecution).

That's part of why the judge ordered a new trial -- his lawyer failed to put up an obvious alibi defense.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
62. Yes--they did. You forget that Michael Skakel taped the book proposal where
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:29 PM
Oct 2013

he described masturbating in the tree under which Martha Moxley had been found. That was played in the courtroom.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
64. What you don't realize is that he put himself in a different tree
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 05:45 PM
Oct 2013

that was 300 yards away from the tree near where she was actually found, and at a time (after 11:20) that was well after her 10 o'clock death (time according to the prosecution). Before 11:20 he was in the next town, watching a movie with other people, according to a witness who passed a lie detector test -- and was confirmed by four other witnesses.

One of the reasons the judge gave for ordering a new trial is that the defense lawyer failed to enter an obvious alibi defense.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
71. I don't think Mickey Sherman believed the alibi defense, and I think he refused to suborn perjury.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:17 PM
Oct 2013

I think the appeal of this ruling will be quite revealing.

As for Mr. Skakel's parsing of his taped book proposal, I've got a bridge to sell you.

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
72. Well, at this point he's legally innocent till proven guilty.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:23 PM
Oct 2013

It will be interesting to see what happens next.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
69. Poor lawyer
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 06:33 PM
Oct 2013
Sherman devoted four years and thousands of hours to Skakel's defense," Smriga said, adding that Sherman's preparation for trial included countless hours seeking out and interviewing witnesses, consulting with experts, researching legal issues, reviewing the enormous amount of discovery provided by the state, and using legal means to block the state's access to incriminating evidence.

"He prosecuted two pre-trial appeals," Smriga said. "Attorney Sherman used his judgment, developed over his more than three decades as a criminal defense attorney, to make strategic decisions."


Good grief! After all that, ten years later, they're going to say it was not enough!

There are no details about his alleged wrongdoing.

Mike Nelson

(10,943 posts)
76. "Media" has hounded the Kennedy family...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:42 PM
Oct 2013

...since Jackie married Onassis and Ted had that accident. They did not live up to the myth.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
78. Just another case of if one is...
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:13 PM
Oct 2013

Wealthy, powerful or famous, you can get away with murder in the US.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
81. That should be the standard in all trials:
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:11 PM
Oct 2013
...a defendant's constitutional right to adequate representation cannot be overshadowed by the inconvenience and financial and emotional cost of a new trial. To conclude otherwise would be to elevate expediency over the constitutional rights we cherish.

Expediency, convictions, public pressure and a lot of other things affect these victims and defendants. It would clean up cases that are rushed through for lack of funding and desire to make political points.

I am not familiar with all the details, the desires of the families or community at large. IIRC, the case seemed based on hearsay.

But a young lady lost her chance at life, so it's still important that justice be done for her family. Hope that this new trial will be run better than the last.
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