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Omaha Steve

(99,584 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:30 PM Nov 2013

Obama's health law finally gets real for America

Source: AP-Excite

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

WASHINGTON (AP) - Now is when Americans start figuring out that President Barack Obama's health care law goes beyond political talk, and really does affect them and people they know.

With a cranky federal website complicating access to new coverage and some consumers being notified their existing plans are going away, the potential for winners and losers is creating anxiety and confusion.

"I've had questions like, 'Are they going to put me in jail if I don't buy insurance? Because nobody will sell it to me,'" said Bonnie Burns, a longtime community-level insurance counselor from California. "We have family members who are violently opposed to 'Obamacare' and they are on Medicaid - they don't understand that they're already covered by taxpayer benefits.

"And then there is a young man with lupus who would have never been insurable," Burns continued. "He is on his parents' plan and he'll be able to buy his own coverage. They are very relieved."

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20131103/DA9RAMJO0.html





In this Oct. 30, 2013 file photo, President Barack Obama speaks at Boston's historic Faneuil Hall about the federal health care law. Now is when Americans start figuring out that President Barack Obama's health care law goes beyond political talk, and really does affect them and people they know. With a cranky federal website complicating access to new coverage and some consumers being notified their existing plans are going away, the potential for winners and losers is creating anxiety and confusion. A look at three broad groups: those losing coverage, those gaining coverage, and those wondering if their coverage will change. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak, File)

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Obama's health law finally gets real for America (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2013 OP
I'm noticing changes in the website too... Historic NY Nov 2013 #1
hackers will have faster access to your personal data. quadrature Nov 2013 #2
And a worthless 2 cents they are Paulie Nov 2013 #3
Reading assignment. Psephos Nov 2013 #4
Republicans have to be faster to come up with newer excuses IronLionZion Nov 2013 #6
pfff Explain your funny money. penultimate Nov 2013 #8
What personal data would you put on the web site that you would be worried about? Bandit Nov 2013 #13
In Nebraska prisoners do data processing for the state. justice1 Nov 2013 #14
People just need to be informed Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #5
good gopiscrap Nov 2013 #7
Grateful for ObamaCare, but it's not great for seniors... iwannaknow Nov 2013 #9
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #10
Wow! Hello ~ iwannaknow. You've been reading DU for a long time. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #11
I am not sure how accurate or real some of this is. uppityperson Nov 2013 #12
My response iwannaknow Nov 2013 #15
I don't think Iwannaknow expects Medicare or Obamacare to be perfect. Lasher Nov 2013 #16

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
1. I'm noticing changes in the website too...
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 09:09 PM
Nov 2013

its responding faster has on-line & off line componets and ever a chat feature...

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
2. hackers will have faster access to your personal data.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:49 PM
Nov 2013

Umm,
I would advise against using
healthcare.gov until further notice.

just my 2 cents

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
3. And a worthless 2 cents they are
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 12:04 AM
Nov 2013

I trust CMS to keep secure my data than any corporation; public, private or non profit. They had some holes and they added compensating controls. Shows they are actively monitoring their security posture to me, not the old close your eyes and hope I've seen in my IT audits.

But good luck with the "oh noes don't use the website" line,

IronLionZion

(45,428 posts)
6. Republicans have to be faster to come up with newer excuses
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:46 AM
Nov 2013

to scare people from signing up.

Plus local offices, mail, and phone exist. You can get a plan without any website at all. And if you don't need a subsidy, people can use ehealthinsurance.com to get ACA compliant plans too.


Bandit

(21,475 posts)
13. What personal data would you put on the web site that you would be worried about?
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:45 PM
Nov 2013

They don't ask for your bank accounts or your medical history. They ask for basic information that shouldn't worry anyone if it becomes known.

justice1

(795 posts)
14. In Nebraska prisoners do data processing for the state.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:57 PM
Nov 2013

They have access to employment, social security numbers, school transcripts etc.

iwannaknow

(210 posts)
9. Grateful for ObamaCare, but it's not great for seniors...
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 11:19 PM
Nov 2013

Why? The doughnut hole is being shored-up, there is better preventive care, and that's good news. However, even though I am PRO ObamaCare:

1) I'm concerned that the resyphoning of funds away from Medicare Advantage will make subscribing to these plans significantly less cost effective, i.e., higher premiums, fewer benefits. Seniors will most likely need to convert to original Medicare with Medicare Supplemental coverage to account for the 20% of charges that are not covered by original Medicare. BTW, this is exactly what I am doing partly because my Advantage plan is providing significantly fewer benefits in 2014.
2) You say, what's wrong with that? The additional premiums for Medicare Supplemental policies are currently substantially higher than current Medicare Advantage premiums. For example, in 2013 you could easily get a good Advantage plan with part D for $0 additional premium. The same is not true for Medicare Supplement plans which generally charge an additional premium of between $50 and $200 per month, depending upon the subscriber's locality and age. The good plans are probably going to run you at least $100/month, and I believe that to be a conservative estimate.
3) This doesn't sound like very much? Try telling a senior living on $1000 per month that the cost of their health insurance is going to increase by such a substantial amount, and see what kind of reaction you get. Of course, if the Dems sell out on Chained CPI, we can throw that into the mix too.
4) But you say, can't these low income seniors get subsidies like other low income people? The answer is NO. In fact seniors are not allowed to partake of the exchanges. So no, no subsidies. A senior may generally qualify for Medicaid if their bank account dips below $3000 or thereabouts. Retirement savings? Forget that. You will be required to spend them down before you can get help. Fun? Well, it gets even more entertaining.
5) You do remember the nightmare of having a pre-existing condition, don't you? Well, seniors haven't woken up from that bad dream yet. Yes, that is correct. Even though conventional insurance policies must accept applicants with preexisting conditions, the same requirement is not pertinent to Medicare Supplement plans. You can of course be accepted to such a plan unconditionally if you apply within a 6 month window after your 65th birthday. But you must have been continually insured for 6 months prior to your 65th birthday. If not, you must wait for up to 6 months before you can be covered by Medicare Supplemental insurance. Yes, that is correct. But it gets better. If you do not apply within your birthday window, and you develop a health condition, you can easily be denied coverage if you have renal failure, have been hospitalized within the past 90 days, or have some other ongoing, untreated condition. In light of what ObamaCare has done for the general population regarding pre-existing conditions, this sucks so badly that words cannot express it.
6) So if you are turning 65, make sure you act quickly to get coverage before you get screwed by the window phenomenon. Of course, if you currently are not insured, you are SOL for 6 months.
7) The solution? Medicare-for-all, medicare supplement subsidies for all low income persons, and no pre-existing condition clause for supplemental policies. Of course, 100% Medicare coverage would be even better because it eliminates the need for all private coverage.
8) Short of that, Obamacare needs to be amended to remove these deficiencies, or a lot of elderly people are going to get shafted in the next few years. The cuts to Medicare Advantage have just begun and will continue thru 2017, so we have not begun to see all of the ramifications.
9) Please pass this information along.
10) Finally, please try to prove me wrong. I would be so happy if you could.

PS, if you have permission to start your own thread, you are more than welcome to use this text to do so. I have not made sufficient posts to DU to qualify for starting my own thread.

Thanks for reading this.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
12. I am not sure how accurate or real some of this is.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 03:29 PM
Nov 2013

A lot of it looks like you are saying because Medicare is not prefect, ACA has some serious problems. I agree that the ACA has problems and is not what I hoped for, but some of what you write seems exaggeration to me. A quick reading gave me these 2 things. I need to read the rest to see what else is wrong, or inaccurate.

First "seniors are not allowed to partake of the exchanges". While technically true, they already get medicare and the ACA is provide insurance to people who don't have insurance and the exchanges are for those who do not have insurance coverage. Rather like people who have insurance through work don't use the exchanges. The exchanges are for people without existing insurance coverage through Medicare or work. Technically true but meaningless.

Then the pre-existing thing, I thought Medigap was supposed to cover that. Also this thing from Medicare Advantage says you can get pre-existing coverage except for ESRD.
http://www.medicare.gov/find-a-plan/staticpages/learn/rights-and-protections.aspx
http://www.medicare.gov/sign-up-change-plans/medicare-health-plans/medicare-advantage-plans/things-to-know-medicare-advantage-plans.html


Finally this article saysthere is no pre-existing Medicare issue.
http://voices.yahoo.com/medicare-pre-existing-conditions-preauthorization-5337127.html

Where does Medicare come into this, and is there Medicare health insurance for preexisting conditions? The short answer is that In Medicare, there are no preexisting conditions. Medicare is the Federal health insurance program originally passed into law in 1965 to provide coverage for Citizens and legal residents age 65 or over. Later the law was modified to allow coverage for disabled individuals under 65, and for people with End Stage Renal Disease (ESRD). Once in the Medicare program, you are covered for any past or present medical or health condition. Prior to Medicare you may have suffered from preexisting condition coverage exclusions, but those will not and cannot apply once you enroll into Medicare.


iwannaknow

(210 posts)
15. My response
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 06:56 PM
Nov 2013

ObamaCare is a great leap in the right direction, but there could be deficiencies that will need to be corrected. Whenever such monumental changes are made, there can be unintended effects which warrant examination. I understand that the current climate allows for little of such examination since those bent on destroying ObamaCare are circling around waiting for anything they can pick apart. But does that mean that we should not analyze the law and try to make it better if necessary?

The Medicare Supplement policies currently have substantially higher premiums than the Advantage plans, on average. If Medicare Advantage were to become eviscerated due to lack of funding to the point where they were discontinued or no longer cost effective, then their subscribers would be inclined to go on original Medicare, and thus would probably need Medicare Supplemental insurance to pay for the 20% not covered by Medicare. If significantly higher premiums were charged, it could be a hardship on a low income senior (i.e., $1000/mo) trying to protect their retirement savings in the event of a major health problem. Realize that a million dollar health condition could create a $200,000 bill, and seniors are more likely due to their age to incurr such a bill.

It would be wonderful if such people could get a subsidy, just as younger lower income people can. If not, they could end up, not totally uninsured, but insufficiently insured. How fair is it for a retired couple trying to make ends meet on their social security to not be able to afford gap coverage, and hence be more vulnerable to having their retirement savings eaten up by medical bills? In addition, if the Medicare Supplemental insurance were just $300/month higher for a couple, their retirement savings would be chewed up to the tune of $36000 within 10 years. Now suppose that all they had in assets to begin with was $50,000. Where does that leave them?

To address the pre-existing condition issue, those who wish to voluntarily switch to Medicare/Medigap, after the age of 65, may be declined due to a pre-existing condition. And anyone with a preexisting condition at age 65 who has not been recently insured must wait six months before getting covered. I did read your links, but these exceptions to this possibility all involved someone losing their coverage involuntarily, not voluntarily switching coverage, unless it's within a one year window. Although it is good to know that such protection is there, wouldn't it be nice if there were no pre-existing conditions applied to seniors in the first place, just as there are currently no pre-existing conditions applied to younger insurees? Consider someone who finds that their Medicare Advantage plan is no longer cost effective, or that they don't like the doctors available within the plan, and wants to switch to original Medicare with a Medicare Supplement plan. Such a person would be asked a series of health questions, possibly being denied the opportunity to switch from an unwanted plan. I say, let's just get rid of any notion of pre-existing condition in our healthcare system. Please!!!

All this having been said, I have learned from your post, and I really do appreciate your perspective. I have no desire to run down ObamaCare because I know how much good it will do for those who previously could not get insurance. However, I still believe that 100%-coverage-Medicare-for-all would be the preferable solution because it is an efficient, low overhead, cost effective, humane, and elegant solution. It would also put more money in the hands of the populace, thus stimulating the economy. And the public would only be contributing to direct services, not paying so much to insurance company middle men.

Lasher

(27,573 posts)
16. I don't think Iwannaknow expects Medicare or Obamacare to be perfect.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 08:20 PM
Nov 2013

His point is, seniors are being left in the lurch. It is a valid point. His post touches on quite a few issues, but I want to address some of your concerns if I can:

Seniors are not allowed to partake of the exchanges. That is not just a technicality as you suggest. Even if we qualify for Medicare, and even if we are not subjected to its means testing, there is still the 20% copay and significant monthly premiums. To protect ourselves from this 20% copay, we must acquire Medicare supplemental coverage. Where's the Obamacare protection for such policies? Why are there no subsidies for them, even for low income seniors?

Medicare Advantage is being phased out, and that is as it should be. But seniors are seeing erosion of this benefit, and Obamacare leaves them in the lurch in that respect as well. This is a valid and very real concern.



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