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Omaha Steve

(99,573 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:03 PM Nov 2013

Tearing out asbestos with bare hands: Meet the boss from hell

Source: Salon.com

Fired immigrants share their horrifying work stories. "This hurts all workers," Sen. Bob Menendez tells Salon

Josh Eidelson

A group of immigrants allege their boss wielded their status as a weapon when they stood up to extreme abuses: from hanging from the top of a four-story building without scaffolding, to removing asbestos without gloves.

New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez told Salon those allegations illustrate the urgency of passing an immigration overhaul. “Clearly, what happens is: When someone is undocumented they can be exploited – and they frequently are,” Menendez said following a Friday press event with the workers. “And once they try to organize in order to get better wages, working conditions, they immediately are fired. And sometimes, even worse, they are told they are being reported to immigration as a way to keep them subjected to the discrimination and exploitation.” He added that such retaliation “hurts all workers” and “presses down wages for all in that universe.”

The four immigrants who joined Menendez were fired last year by Benjamin H. Realty, a New Jersey apartment company, during a union organizing drive by the Laborers International Union of North America (LIUNA). They told Salon that before their firings, the company had directed them to do unsafe work. “The worst thing was the asbestos,” said Isaac Hernandez. He said he was “100% breathing this stuff in” in a tight crawl space without warning or proper equipment, and “we went with our clothes home, so not only were we exposed – our families were exposed.”

His co-worker Daniel Quintana told Salon that years back he removed asbestos with bare hands after “the supervisor said, ‘No, this is nothing.’” Another worker, Rodolfo Cax, described doing brick pointing on the mortar of a four-story building without a scaffold or harness. He said he was “hanging” from the top with co-workers holding his legs, and a supervisor told him “nothing’s going to happen – we’ve got you.” “I was scared doing this,” Cax told Salon, “but we’ve got no choice…If I don’t do this, he’ll fire me.” His co-worker Fabian Londono Taborda said, “They say if you don’t do, we’ll find someone else.”

FULL story at link.



Read more: http://www.salon.com/2013/11/06/the_worst_thing_was_the_asbestos%E2%80%9D_combatting_the_boss_from_hell/





Chrysotile asbestos (Credit: Wikimedia/Ravaka)

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sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
2. The lower down the food chain
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:12 PM
Nov 2013

one goes the more this sort of employer behavior defines euphemisms like "free enterprise" and "right to work."

FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
5. Oh for pete's sake. We have OSHA for a reason. Drop a dime and turn the bastard in!
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:18 PM
Nov 2013

Preferrably get video of the abuse with your phone as well beforehand.



FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
8. Of course not, but all the more important. Abuse will only lessen when workers stand up
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:37 PM
Nov 2013


(And I work in the trades. This is not an unfamiliar story)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. That's where the language barrier and status comes in. They think they're not covered by those laws.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:35 PM
Nov 2013
And employers will call and get 'em deported before they can get any help from OSHA.

That's how it's always been, AFAIK. It's why Obama appointed Perez to labor for outreach.

In the background of all this is the teabaggers who want them shot from helicopters and from the other side, libertarians who see labor (those they see as beneath them) as commodities.

BTW, where did you get that graphic?

I'd really like to peruse the website it came from for more data.

TIA.


indie9197

(509 posts)
12. Not likely
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:42 PM
Nov 2013

And employers will call and get 'em deported before they can get any help from OSHA.

I dont think there is a number you could call to get somebody deported.

The guys running the job should be arrested and charged. Civil cases should be filed on behalf of any workers subjected to unsafe conditions. Especially the asbestos handlers.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. I guess you've never seen an immigration raid, then. Or worked with people who lived under that.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:22 AM
Nov 2013

I lived around 'illegals' most of my life. There is a culture of intimidation and they all knew it, all of us knew it. I see you don't live in a border state, so I guess that's why you may think this doesn't happen.

It's the reason for the push for full citizenship and why illegals get the worst, most unsafe jobs, and some are so injured they are crippled for life and then deported. My first google produced:

http://www.ice.gov/contact/

There are employers who abuse illegals as part of the way they make profit. They don't provide decent wages, housing, food and work to get the whole family including children doing labor. I don't know why you think this has suddenly gone away.

All of this is well known. I almost think you are playing with me here, but you are saying the right things, what Democrats want to do, but I'm not sure how you could have missed the many details about the abuse of illegals reported on DU over the years, and everywhere.

You can google stories from AZ, TX, WA, FL, LA, MS, GA and other states where status was used to get people to work at dangerous jobs and then when they wanted their paychecks, they were reported and deported.

So that's all I got for you, if you are sincere. If you are young and don't know about these things, that's fine, but you cannot say that it can't happen.

I am however, aware that your state of UT did pass some good laws about illegals, or so it's said.

That being said, I have worked with asbestos myself, and used gloves, a suit and respiratory gear, and I am not 'illegal.' I also know people who worked at jobs who were not illegal but have lung damage from using sheets of asbestos in welding. They all have problems.

The thrust of this story is not as much asbestos or the employer, but the relationship of emigrants and illegals within the US workforce who are being abused by it.

EOM.


JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
14. The stuff mentioned doesn't even really
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:05 AM
Nov 2013

save all that much money. PPE is cheap. Harnesses are cheap. I'm guessing the bosses are just sick bastards that get off on humiliating or terrorizing people. To hell with fines, this kind of stuff really ought to end in hard prison time for the people responsible.

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