Guns & Ammo Fires Editor After Publishing Editorial Calling for Gun Control
Source: Mediaite
Guns and Ammo Magazine, the worlds most widely read firearms magazine, has fired contributing editor Dick Metcalf after the publication received immense backlash for its December 2013 issue featuring his editorial advocating for gun control.
Way too many gun owners still seem to believe that any regulation of the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement, Metcalf wrote in the column titled Lets Talk Limits. The fact is, all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be.
All U.S. citizens have a right to keep and bear arms, he added, but I do not believe that they have a right to use them irresponsibly.
The backlash was immense. Readers flocked to social media to decry the magazines editorial decision and threaten to cancel their subscriptions. All the attention resulted in the magazines editor Jim Bequette posting a letter online apologizing to readers and announcing that Guns & Ammo has fired the author.
Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/guns-ammo-fires-editor-after-publishing-editorial-calling-for-gun-control
Best Responses from Gun Nuts to a Call for Mild Gun Regulation
http://gawker.com/best-responses-from-gun-nuts-to-a-call-for-mild-gun-reg-1460088554
Those are some brave people at Dicks & Testosterone Magazine for submitting to the wishes of the batshit crazies.
Aristus
(66,286 posts)Gun-freaks...
tblue
(16,350 posts)These people are sick in the head. Seriously, if you can't stomach any regulation of firearms, you are too crazy to legally own one. If I ran the zoo, that would be the law of the land.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)I guess the wingnuts can't handle it
zbdent
(35,392 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)and electricity follows the least path of resistance. Any mention of reasonable gun control is met with irrational outrage and anger -- just the type of people you want to see stashing arsenals and carrying guns in public.
The cold-dead-hands mentality is nurtured by the NRA and its clones through misinformation, lies, damned lies, and statistics.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)Crazy AND ignorant. Yes, give them unfettered access to guns!
Blue Owl
(50,257 posts)Although I like "Dicks & Jizz Magazine" just slightly better...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sorry this guy got fired, but who the heck wants to spend their life writing articles pandering to gun cultists.
NickB79
(19,224 posts)Hell, the Manchin-Toomey Universal Background Check bill was polling like 90% in favor before it was killed, with somewhere around 75% of gun owners even backing it up.
It's just that the fringe element controls the conversation (as shown in the OP).
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)and I say that as a gun owner.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)bayareaboy
(793 posts)extreme assholes!
Always have been.
meanit
(455 posts)to question our 2nd Amendment rights, so you're fired"!
Or something like that....
7962
(11,841 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)I don't know of any correlation to weapons. Maybe you can enlighten me.
I believe that.
7962
(11,841 posts)Because there isn't one. So my guess is you just don't like the fact that I own a weapon. Which would make you like a few others on DU; quick to make assumptions based on no information.
hack89
(39,171 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)the company that publishes that magazine. It was not published at the office where I worked. It came out of the office in Los Angeles. My office was in Marietta, GA, and all the game & fish magazines (about 30 of them) came from there. I copy edited all those magazines.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)DU gun activists, this is your side of the issue in action. Next time you get chapped about how you're treated here, remember the well-documented, malignant company you're keeping.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)their ignorance and paranoia trumps all
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)was putting a training class on a CCW permit in Illinois.
No AWB. No magazine capacity limits. No universal background checks.
Coincidentally, why aren't Texan gun owners flipping out over Rick Perry not invalidating that part of Texas law. Yes, Virginia, you have to take a training course in Texas, or Virginia, or South Carolina, or most other places...
Fun Fact of the Day: Training is not required under New York law. Oh, and in most of the 62 counties, they hand permits out like candy. You just can't take them to NYC, but most gun types upstate refuse to go to such an evil librul Soddom town, anyway.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Or at least until he gets a new start in another city with a name change....
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)they tend to move the group view/opinion to the more extreme position.
Wish I could find a link to the research piece. Showed when you put a group of similarly minded people together. In this cas Gun people. The moderate opinions/positions become muted while the more extreme views resonate in the echo chamber. Thus while it's apparent to us that not all Homo-Sapiens should be entrusted with firearms. They are able to completely miss this as any type of concern and convince themselves that historically there was not any social morals that prevented a mentally deficient individual from obtaining such an item.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Look at the replies in this thread. Full of dislike and contempt, the non-gun people in this thread are generally supportive of any law that makes "gun nuts" angry. Human beings born in America, and that own guns, are simplified and reduced into a simple, easy-to-hate caricature.
The non-gun people in this thread are generally supportive of any gun law that comes down the pike. They are not concerned with effectiveness, they don't care about privacy. They actively seek to enact laws to make gun ownership so expensive and onerous that the gun-ownership and guns-per-capita rates plummet. After all, it's just white racist secessionist cowardly Rambo-wannabees, right?
They generally think that, because gun ownership is not a limitless right, the right must be restricted by the government as much as possible, relaxing gun laws only enough so that the restrictions are constitutional, and only when forced to by the courts.
coldmountain
(802 posts)History will be extremely unkind to America's RBKA movement.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)But your movement will not escape scrutiny either. Your focus on attempting to solve the effects of a variety of social problems by attacking hardware will not go unnoticed. Nor will your irrational focus on guns that are used in only a couple of percentage points of annual murders.
coldmountain
(802 posts)Paladin
(28,243 posts)The "Guns and Ammo" situation is just the latest evidence of that. And DU Gun Enthusiasts are more than willing to devolve into caricature-slinging---I've been accused of being "afraid of guns" I don't know how many times, when in fact I have owned and used guns for over 50 years. I used to think there might be a rational, productive dialog to be reached on the guns issue, but I've pretty much lost that hope. At some point in the future, there will be enough mass murders and/or political assassinations involving the use of guns to sufficiently enrage the voting public, and your side will finally lose. Until then, might as well just talk ugly to one another---there's some grim entertainment to be had in that.....
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...is poor strategy, at best- violent crime and murder rates have been declining over the past
thirty years in the United States.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...has caused a counter-reaction from the pro-guns movement, I'm afraid.
The fundamental problem that Democrats face is that making gun laws stricter does not generally make society safer, while organizing the gun-owners that are affected by the gun-control laws. And I think we can both admit that some laws that are regularly proposed are not about public safety, but about waging some kind of culture war.
Gun owners, generally speaking, get organized when they feel themselves the victim of unjust gun laws. They put money and effort into organizing politically. Non-gun-owners, though, who do not feel the effects of gun laws they advocate for, do not counter-organize. They do not turn out in large numbers to reward the politicians that make owning what they do not and will not own harder.
Naturally, the continuous efforts by anti-gun groups, primarily Democrats, to ban "assault weapons", as well as a few other treadworn proposals, has made the NRA and many gun-owners reactionary to an extent. They've achieved the mentality that every gun-law proposal will, in some hidden way, be used to deprive people forcefully of their guns. Of course, the fact that the anti-gun groups reflexively propose assault-weapon bans and magazine limits at the slightest mention in the corporate media of an AR-15 doesn't help either.
I finally read the Metcalf editorial in G&A today, and see nothing wrong with it. He is pointing out that a concealed-carry permit can be thought of as an "operator's license" for a CCW pistol. I have no problem with that, and think the magazine was wrong to terminate him.
For what it's worth, in the same issue, in the letters to the editor, the magazine is heavily criticized for not being involved in the post-Newtown gun-control debate, in particular the draconian measures proposed by Senator Feinstein.
What laws are being proposed that would dramatically lessen the guns-per-capita rate in the near future? Nothing, as far as I can tell. Even if things like magazine limits and "assault weapon" bans were passed, they do not affect the number of guns sold, merely the type of guns sold.
If Feinstein had suceeded in her ban on virtually all semi-automatic long guns, then the millions of people year that were buying semiautos for self-defense ("tactical" use will simply switch over to lever-action and pump-action guns with the same features... AR-15 and AK-47 magazines, nonreflective black finishes, quick-adjustable buttstocks, flash hiders, mounting rails for tactical flashlights and laser sights and holographic sights, etc.
Or handguns. You know, the guns used in 65% of all murders?
What really irritates me is that the "we have to get rid of the guns!" mentality is preventing so much action on the root causes of crime and violence.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I do however think the restrictions on "assault" type weapons would dramatically reduce the number of gunz manufactured.
People aren't attracted to lever action rifles, revolvers, and the like. There is a sick attraction to guns marketed as "assault" type weapons, a ticket to manhood (who can forget the Bushmaster ad campaign), protection from the menace of minorities (yeah, I know you don't believe bigoted white folks are driving the proliferation of guns, but I do), etc.
But, all that aside. The real problem is violence in our society and the fact that gunz -- particularly handguns -- dramatically multiply the effects of violence, and even promotes more violence.
Maybe you guys in the Gungeon can start actually acting responsibly, rather than promoting more and more gunz, laxer gun laws, and spreading the junk that Democrats can't win if they take a stance that angers the gun culture.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)In a country where about 13 million guns a year are sold, I doubt more than a million of them are rifles that would be considered "assault weapons", depending on which arbitrary definition you were to use, out of the 4 or 5 million rifles a year sold. Tactical Semi-Automatic (TSA) rifles, if you wish.
What you're really doing is you're trying to fight "gun culture", so you (your side) wants to score a political and social victory by taking away what is popular to gun buyers, even though they are used in a tiny fraction of murders annually. IIRC, the total number of people known to be killed by a rifle is about 400 per year. TSA rifles would account for only a portion of those 400 murders.
Despite the rare use of these rifles in crime and murder, you're (your side is) so disturbed by the marketing, and by the reasons given by people buying those rifles, so you want to take them away as part of the culture war. Piss-poor reasons, in my view, especially considering that the intense dislike and calls for bans are part of the reason those kinds of guns (TSA rifles) are selling like hotcakes. The people that are willing to drop down $1500 for an AR-15 will, if denied the AR-15 due to an AWB, buy a tactical pump or lever-action gun and a handgun for the same price, and because of fears of further regulation.
Handguns are a more complex issue that I don't have the time to address right now, but would like to at some point.
The pro-gun people on this this site generally seem to be against ineffective, culture-war-driven legislation. They also seem to generally be for letting those that want guns to be able to get them (subject, naturally, to some limitations), rather than trying to artificially depress the market. And failing to point out the political consequences of the two previous points would be a disservice to the party and the nation.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)Gun Control Advocates: Root Of All Evil
Pro-Gun Activists: Put-Upon, Innocent Lambs, Persecuted In The Great Culture War
Thanks for that cogent analysis.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I think that attraction is proof enough they should have their gun rights restricted.
Tactical, in the civilian context, includes things like self-defense and home defense. The maneuver of individual people or units in battle. Hence the term "SWAT": Special Weapons And Tactics. The planning of the Drug War, for example, is strategic (taking on the Cartels and the smugglers) while the kicking-in-the-door parts are tactical.
So, yeah, people wanting guns for self-defense, whether concealed-carry pistols or kept-at-home long guns, are going to optimize them, turning them into "tactical" guns so that when it is one or two defenders and one or two attackers, they are ready for the "tactical" engagement.
Remember, all those "tactical" long guns you want to outlaw are rarely used in crime, including murder, so despite your opinion, it is not born out by evidence.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2013, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)
Sorry, it's nuts to allow folks that out of control (irresponsible) to arm up.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)There's no doubt they will tell you that they are the 'rational' side of the issue, but
this thread shows they have just as much bile and xenophobia as the worst of
the Teabaggers.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)More than a few have stated that gun owners are dangerous.
Not much different from the 'Confederates and Copperheads' that don't recognize anyone brown,
not heterosexual, or to the left of Ronald Reagan as "real Americans".
Paladin
(28,243 posts)But God knows, I've been called a lot worse by Gun Enthusiasts. If you like, you can refer to me as a "turncoat," seeing as how I was once a Gun Enthusiast, but I grew out of it some time ago.....
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Mind you, I still don't agree with you- but it seems the extremists on both sides have more in common
with each other than they do with their 'allies'.
Eric Hoffer explained the mindset best, I think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
Paladin
(28,243 posts)You're right, I'm one of the "good ones." I'm a liberal and a Democrat, and I've owned and used guns since I was in elementary school; firearms used to be a central interest of mine: I know the difference between a magazine and a clip, and in my time I've fired everything from a .22 short rim-fire to a .375 H&H Magnum. I've never advocated anything close to the banning of all guns. I'm OK with concealed carry, as long as it's based on solid training and subject to regular review/renewal. And I am well aware that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are law-abiding. All that said, however, I still believe that the overall gun situation in the U.S. has descended to a wildly unhealthy status. I walked away from firearms and shooting sports years ago, because I no longer cared for the sort of company I was having to keep. What a shame that it's all turned into nothing more than a shouting match at this point. There's some dark entertainment to be had in the shouting, and that's why I keep at it.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)He stands up for an issue and then apologizes for it.
NickB79
(19,224 posts)For allowing Metcalf's article to even be published.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But the editor would have had to read it and approve it for publishing in the first place even if he didn't agree with it. You would think an editor of a specialty magazine like that would know that was going to piss off readers.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,726 posts)Fuckin gun nuts
Nine
(1,741 posts)We don't allow that because that would be INSANE. But once you say ordinary citizens can't have nuclear arms, you ARE regulating the right to keep and bear arms and you can no longer argue that the right is absolute that cannot be regulated. Then it is only a matter of which regulations make sense and which do not.