Timothy Young, Subject To Forced Anal Probe By New Mexico Cops, Is Second Victim To Come Forward
Source: Opposing views.com
Yesterday, we told you about the horrifying case of David Eckert, a New Mexico man who was forcibly subjected to repeated anal probes after a drug-sniffing dog wrongly smelled something illegal when Deming, N.M., cops pulled Eckert over.
Today, the same TV station that first reported the Eckert story is reporting a second nightmare. This one also involves forced anal penetration by doctors at Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City, where Eckert was also victimized.
And again, the incident began with an innocuous traffic stop and a mistake by a drug sniffing dog the same dog who messed up in Eckerts case.
Young was pulled over by police for making a turn without using his blinker signal. The cops unleashed Leo on Youngs vehicle. The dog indicated that he smelled drugs.Police then took Young to Gila Medical Center (pictured) where he was forced to undergo the unwanted and humiliating procedures. As with Eckert, no drugs were found inside Youngs rectal cavity or in his car.
Read more: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/timothy-young-subject-forced-anal-probe-new-mexico-cops-2nd-victim-come-forward#
what in gods name is going on with police these days? awful
Dakota Flint
(219 posts)Looks like they need a new dog
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Or on some occasions the police can get the dog to make a noise and bingo-bango, they got their victim.
I doubt that a trained dog would make such a mistake. A human is much more likely to err, or to have an agenda.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)being questioned more every year.
The problem is there is NO uniform training standard/protocol and no uniform certification process.
Dogs are subject to reacting to the handler's body language and commands unless both handler and dog are thoroughly trained (again, no standards for this).
The SCOTUS didn't help when they ruled that a police dogs alert is sufficient probable cause for a search warrant. This was a unanimous decision by a woefully ignorant court.
The empirical evidence for these dog's reliability is almost non-existent.
sybylla
(8,509 posts)They always mark on a couple of cars and lockers. Never, ever, have they found anything more than cigarettes.
Drug dogs are a joke.
They're about as good at find drugs as weather forecasters are at forecasting weather.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and at least we are allowed to test them.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)dead people (or dead people parts), bombs, prey, etc.
It's not anything wrong with the dog nor it's training nor its reliability. They're unquestionably reliable or we wouldn't be using dogs for all the various nosework they do. I think it has a lot more to do with the sensitivity of their noses. That makes them able to hit on something that's there or something that USED to be there. That means if you buy a used car that was once owned by someone who either had drugs in their car or one of their passenger's did and even the tiniest amount fell on the floor or the seat than a drug sniffing dog could still detect it even if you were just a nice old lady that never touched drugs nor was around anyone with drugs but just happened to buy a used car that someone was in at one time that did have them.
Do you have any idea how much a police dog costs before it's actually worked at the job yet? A dog that has been trained but not yet gone to work costs over $10K. Then there's all the training costs associated with the dog with their new handler once a police department makes the purchase of the dog. The dog and the handler train EVERY day as long as the dog remains on the force, and once the dog is paired with their handler for a long time they train with a pro trainer which is another expense. Though the dog lives in the home of its handler all costs associated with the dog (food, treats, equipment, vet bills, etc.) are paid for by the department for as long as the dog lives (that's part of the dog's retirement benefits) and continues to live with the handler after retirement. Not that this is a problem, on the contrary, the handler and his/her family falls in love with the dog just as if it was a family pet - and to them it is a family pet that just happens to do work with a family member. Considering the expense of having even one single police dog on the force they're hardly going to fuck up the training.
There are standards - The International Police Work Dog Association...
http://www.ipwda.org/
There are other associations that also certify police work dogs, and every state government defines which association/s are used for certification. In no state can any police department use a police dog that is not un-certified and will only accept those dogs that have been certified by whatever association/s the state has chosen.
Every police dog must pass rigorous certification tests in all phases of police work. Police dogs are not trained to make false hits. Why would they be and how would they be when their training is monitored by master trainers? If some nefarious officer wants to arrest someone on purpose for a false hit they hardly need the dog to do that since most civilians likely aren't going to know what the dog has been trained to do to show the handler that a hit has been made... they can just claim a hit has been made. But, of course, if a hit has been said to have been made and they don't find anything than either the dog detected something that used to be there and no longer was or the human officer just to be an asshole for whatever reason lied and just said the dog made a hit when it didn't.
I've been working for the past year or so with our local department's one K-9 dog (just because I'm fascinated by it all particularly the nosework and not with my own dog). They are so incredibly reliable it's scary. Once they know the right commands it's cake work for them. I taught my previous dog cadaver nosework. Once he learned the right commands all the work was more me than him (learning to not unconsciously lead him, dealing with distractions, etc.). He also had to wear a cage muzzle for a long time because for some disgusting reason he wanted to taste what he found. I know, gross. It's what made him a really good natural for it though... he loved the scent which is what made him so diligent. Really good cadaver dogs are hard to find since most dogs don't particularly like the scent and are more inclined to give up on a tough search. Boo would NEVER give up even if it was pouring rain or we had to find ways around obstructions he or I couldn't manage and pick up the scent again or had to go back to the beginning of the scent cone several times to rework the path.
As far as I'm concerned if a dog made a hit then the person's car and clothing can be searched, but that's it. If nothing is found then too bad for the police because 99% or more of the time that means that something was likely once there but isn't anymore, and if it isn't anymore than there's no call to arrest. In order to search someone's body there better be a DAMN solid reason to do so such as the person was seen putting something in their mouth which could be seen as trying to hide drugs (and suspected civilians will do that in an attempt to get rid of the drugs and not be arrested). To be searching anyone's body cavities DAMN well better be done only if they have such solid reason to suspect there's anything in a person's body such as an undercover officer witnessing it or the person admitted to doing it and only if the drugs are reasonably expected to still be inside them. And frankly, the only real reason someone's insides should be searched for drugs is because of the possible danger to the person that swallowed them or put them inside their nether regions.
As far as I can tell, the reason that this revolting thing happened to two different men is because a judge signed off on it. Why in the name of shit is any judge willing to allow this to happen to anyone because the police only suspected they had drugs in their rectum because they thought the man's butt checks were clinched? Maybe he has a normally defined butt that gives the appearance of clenched buttocks or maybe they were clenched because he was scared. There isn't a NEED to clench one's buttocks just because you put drugs in your rectum. If they were put in past the sphincter muscle the person wouldn't likely feel it at all and would need to strain to expel it.
People just don't go driving about with drugs in their rectums. They just fucking don't. People that do that are the ones in prison where thorough searches are done often or someone trying to get on an airplane or just came off of one. Instead of signing off on this outrage the judge should have put on the signature line not his name but "You're fucked in the head as well as a pervert. Try this crap again and I'll be speaking to your superiors." And I'd love to know exactly what the judge signed off on... was it finger probing, plus ex-rays, plus multi-enemas plus surgery???? And who were the foul doctors that agreed to do all this? Did they agree because they were told that the guy definitely had drugs inside him and in order that his life and health not be at serious risk wanted to do all this to get them out? Or did they just go along with it because the officers said to? The first hospital doctor they approached refused to do any of it on ethical grounds, so I can't imagine that whatever the judge did sign off on wasn't that explicit.
And here I was so outraged that those women in Texas had their nether regions probed by an officer right on the side of the highway. What happened to them (though without doubt completely outrageous and foul in the extreme) is small potatoes compared to what these poor guys were subjected to. I can't even think of it without wanting to vomit. Just how the hell is it that the police, the judges and the doctors thought nothing of this??? It's madness. Absolute madness.
Scairp
(2,749 posts)They might be asking the dog to fake hit on a car or a person as probable cause so they can search them and the car for drugs. I smell something very sinister here, not just abuse by dumbass hick cops.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)ENOUGH with the uniform worship!
lark
(23,091 posts)Pigs have always been around, as well as some good peace officers. Need a lot more of the 2nd variety, though and WAY less of the Arapios' type.
mtasselin
(666 posts)We are turning into a police state and if you have any doubts all you have to do is look around. Police shooting someone not once but multiple times, drive down the road and the have a road block to check for alcohol or drugs. Then there is the NSA spying on anyone and everyone, this is not the America I grew up in, but the one in the book 1984 where government knows and controls. Scary, very scary.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And the police know it.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I read yesterday about the Eckert story...it was shocking.
And now this?
...I've said it before and will continue to say it, the Police Militias are out of control.
from the article,
"Meanwhile, the rest of the nation is left to wonder exactly what is wrong with law enforcement in New Mexico, not to mention the medical staff at Gila Regional Medical Center."
What's wrong? These perverts are so full of the feeling of unlimited power, that they won't be held accountable for any such depravity. The police...fired and banned from such a job. The doctors and other "medical" staff that participated...medical license, GONE!
Garion_55
(1,915 posts)a couple days ago because they were getting hammered non stop.
Its amazing to me that a 'doctor' would actually agree to these forced procedures.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)cer7711
(502 posts)Just remember, "they hate us for our freedom".
Riiiiiiiight . . .
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,994 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Holy fuck, so what if someone put drugs up their butt? Let it go you psychopath rapists.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)They find jobs in the police force. They could get away with it in Iraq so now they just employ the same tactics on the US population. Their authoritarian minds desire subservience. When you don't comply they taser, mace, or shoot you. (Hence the phrase "stop resisting" which is employed whenever they want to hurt you. Usually when the squad car camera is facing away from people but the mic is still recording) That is the sad reality in America as we go into 2014.
They will always justify their actions or find a superior who will. The Blue shield is still in place. They look out for their own and everybody is a liability.
They are essentially a gang with the right to kill you. Their deadly force is almost always over reactionary and always found to be justified by their own conducted investigations. Personally I avoid them at all cost as "like a gang" they are trouble. It's sad that any normal person would think the way I do but it's better to be safe than sorry. The police are not your friends. They are dangerous and trigger happy. Personally I think every one of them should be required to wear a shoulder cam. When that takes place then we will all see the level of corruption and police violence drop. And people won't need to film them as has become common now. They work for us.
Police carrying personal cameras would be a big step to ridding corruption and studying crime and police tactics in America.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)And anyone with a personal stake in an incident should have access to the complete shoulder cam video, with audio too, by default and without lawyering up.
The police work for us only in theory, in reality of course they work for the politicians and for the business community.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)Eric Cartman?
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)cops were also involved. Also - where were they coming up with search warrants? Which judge is involved in this?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)The problem stems from faulty police recruiting practices. The profile of what makes a good police officer is out of whack so they are hiring the wrong people for police work. People with a sadistic side that police work allows them to get their kicks in at the expense of innocent people. The other day in, I believe, Chicago a cop that had been drinking right before going on duty stopped an innocent man, shot him and as he was laying face down shot him in the back 3 more times, killing him this time. It was the 3rd person this cop had shot recently and he was still on the street "protecting" the people of Chicago. And removing a police chief for cause almost always ends the political career of the Mayor so we are getting the rotten kind of people in police work that the American citizens demand.
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)If you've lived in New Mexico, within 5 minutes
you'll realize that nobody uses their turning signal.
This guy may have been targeted and the unused
turning signal an excuse to pull him over and get what is
fast becoming the New Mexican treatment.
TriplD
(176 posts)Eckert for a rolling-stop in a Wal-Mart parking lot.
The possibility that they cops were sure they'd find drugs because they were acting on a tip brought this to mind:
Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans
By John Shiffman and Kristina Cooke
WASHINGTON | Mon Aug 5, 2013 3:25pm EDT
(Reuters) - A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.
//
A former federal agent in the northeastern United States who received such tips from SOD described the process. "You'd be told only, Be at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle.' And so we'd alert the state police to find an excuse to stop that vehicle, and then have a drug dog search it," the agent said.
"PARALLEL CONSTRUCTION"
After an arrest was made, agents then pretended that their investigation began with the traffic stop, not with the SOD tip, the former agent said. The training document reviewed by Reuters refers to this process as "parallel construction."
//
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
Maybe these cops got burnt by the NSA?
bobGandolf
(871 posts)That is absolutely ridiculous. The N.M. police and the doctors at Gila Regional should plastered all over the news......might even make them a little embarrassed.
Uben
(7,719 posts)....everytime they pull this shit. (pun not intended)
If they're so goddamned gung ho on cavity searches, make the motherfuckers undergo the same treatment when they force it on someone illegally like this. Fair is fair. They would stop this shit so fast your head would spin!
Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)Like say the rest of his career...
NickB79
(19,233 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)The cops seem to be looking for drugs in people that are not "authorized" to possess them. The doctors make money by exclusive distribution rights on a number of drugs, particularly pain killers including narcotics.
I'm not sure it's "irony," except for the fact that drugs aren't found in the victims' colons.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:20 PM - Edit history (1)
This was not planned by cops chowing down on donuts at a coffee shop. It's a law, attack the source.
And the level of discretion the PD were permitted was within that law, too. We don't know if the hospital was forced or looking for a paycheck.
The lege has implemented draconian laws in NM as in TX where women are being violated by medical providers under mandates.
How many have sat back and washed their hands of the plight of women being violated and forced to endure such procedures?
It doesn't excuse this in any way, but it's a slippery slope, supported by the so-called 4A civil liberties crowd as the right to life,' but not one's own body, if one is a woman.
Or for that matter, a person of color or poor. This is nothing new in our history, but it's the creeps in state capitols that make this possible, not cops. It's a national thing, horrible.
It looks like NM went to hell along with TX at the hands of people obsessed with other people's lives. The VA lege wrote a detailed law on what was a crime in the bedroom.
These people are sick, and it's not just the cops. They are the favorite whipping post, but they don't make laws. Call them out for this law and this will end.