Billy Graham's Final Sermon: 'I've Wept' For America

[big_dog]

Source: USA Today

At 95 and in frail health, Billy Graham often resists family entreaties to make excursions from his mountaintop home. But the nation's most famous evangelist attended a birthday celebration Thursday night that featured hundreds of well-wishers and what is being characterized as his final sermon. In a video that was recorded over the past year, Graham delivered his familiar message about the saving power of Jesus Christ and expressed concern about the nation's direction. "Our country's in great need of a spiritual awakening," he declared. "There have been times that I've wept as I've gone from city to city and I've seen how far people have wandered from God."

Graham, white-haired and heavier-set now than he once was, was brought into the ballroom in a wheelchair. Instead of speaking from the dais, he addressed the crowd through the half-hour film. It included photos and clips that underscore his ministry's intersection with decades of American life and politics, showing him alongside presidents (John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton) as well as with Martin Luther King Jr., Pope John Paul II — and Johnny Carson.

The video, titled My Hope America, will be aired on dozens of Christian and other TV stations across the country and at thousands of churches .Fox News Channel also aired it. "The greatest news channel in America," Graham's son, Franklin, declared during the dinner. "This will be my father's last message to the nation," Franklin Graham said in an interview with USA TODAY before the celebration began. "He won't be able to do this again."

Among the hundreds of guests were North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin and New York real-estate magnate Donald Trump. Singers Ricky Skaggs, Michael W. Smith and others led the audience in two refrains of Happy Birthday. Fox News host Greta Van Susteren, one of the speakers, jumped off the stage to hold a microphone before Billy Graham as he singled out a few people in the audience for thanks.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/07/billy-graham-95th-birthday-party-final-sermon/3464537/

[Archae]

1. I could care less about what Billy Graham says anymore.

He agreed with Nixon on a vicious anti-Semitic rant of Nixon's about "the media."
Then he lied about what he said to Nixon.
When confronted by a recording of what he said to Nixon, he claimed amnesia.

And he's appointed his religious bigot son to be in charge of his ministry.

Billy Graham is dying in disgrace.

[dhill926]

4. Agreed...

[snooper2]

53. I thought he was dead already

[Plucketeer]

57. The fact that he embraces FAUX GNUS and

the luminaries that FAUX has created, is proof that he IS dead. IF there is a God, he must've wept like Billy never has - to think of the lineup of charlatans who call him their own! Imagine God's dismay over a gathering of folks who would literally take food from the mouths of babes and the disenfranchised! What an UNholy mass of shit this last tribute was!

[snooper2]

58. there isn't any god creatures, all mythology, so the best we can do is poke fun at the old coot

and flip his hearse off




3, 2, 1, people come-
Respect the dead! The spirit world LOL

[russspeakeasy]

2. What a scam artist.

[Tom Ripley]

41. +1000

[roody]

3. Nice of him to bless Bush's war.

Was it the first Bush war or the 2nd or both?

[warrant46]

70. Probably both of them ---there's a Great Tradition for These Preachers

It was finally a chance for Christ to kick some Islamic ass again



Kicking ass and taking names since 1096 A.D.

[BeyondGeography]

5. Sounds like a good old timey American freak show

Sorry I missed it.

[big_dog]

8. surprised Ted Cruz wasn't at his side...

or Michlle Bachmann

[NastyRiffraff]

24. Don't worry..

The wacko wing was represented at the event. I understand Sarah Palin was there.

[warrant46]

71. The Tide when it came up at the event

Produced all types of Jetsam and Flotsam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flotsam_and_jetsam

Flotsam is floating wreckage of a ship or its cargo.

Jetsam is part of a ship, its equipment, or its cargo that is purposefully cast overboard or jettisoned to lighten the load in time of distress and that sinks or is washed ashore.

[arcane1]

6. So many calories wasted to type this praise for a con-man.

The author may as well have written this for the payday loan industry.

Same promise, same scam.

[amuse bouche]

7. For as long as I can remember,

he's made my skin crawl at the sight and sound of him....and his little boy too... Yuk!

[Dawson Leery]

9. The Cappa of the Evangelical Shysters.

[ZRT2209]

10. jesus christ

[Roselma]

11. Years ago, my

mom who would be about the same age as Graham warned me about these "snake oil salesmen" like Graham. She said Graham was especially worrisome as he'd worked his way into the political establishment and seemed so respectable. And she pointed out that he made his "ministry" a money-making empire that showed other would-be evangelists how to profit and profit handily selling God. She wondered if God wanted preachers to sell Him like that. She said that God most likely didn't want to be a commodity, but maybe did want us to not do bad things to each other. Maybe Graham has done God's work, but seeing how things have worked out, I'm increasingly thinking Graham was doing Graham's work.

[kelliekat44]

20. Learn something about BG dealings in Africa with diamonds and mineral mine. Shocking. nt

[Tanuki]

33. You have confused Billy Graham with Pat Robertson

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/07/doc-mission-congo-alleges-pat-robertson-exploited-post-genocide-rwandans-for-diamonds.html

[Gidney N Cloyd]

12. I wish these guys could leave America/politics out of it.

But I guess that's what nails the power base down for them.

[GoCubsGo]

13. The living embodiment of Elmer Gantry.

Yeech. And, his fan club is just as revolting.

[RainDog]

14. Anti-semitic rural white protestant talking about wandering from god

that's Graham's truth. his alignments during his life coincided with the predominant KKK that ruled white protestant political and religious thought for much of the 20th c. Graham made his reputation kissing the asses of politicians who were racists. I guess Graham's god is kinda stupid. Or a cultural creation, not a divine one.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-06-24-graham-tapes_n.htm

A 1973 conversation between President Nixon and evangelist Billy Graham about Jews, laden with critical references including a Biblical verse on the "synagogue of Satan," ...

An earlier release of tapes in 2002 shocked fans of Graham, who is heard agreeing with Nixon as the president rails against liberal Jews' political activism and media clout. Graham tells Nixon how Jews befriend him but adds, "They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."

His schtick never changed.

Nixon mentions an upcoming dinner with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir, and Graham, who said in earlier taped conversations that Israelis were the best kind of Jews, now brings up a biblical reference to the dense and difficult final book of the Bible, Revelation, which says in verse 3 that there are those who claim to be Jews who are liars, and that they belong to a "synagogue of Satan."

Anti-Defamation League director Abraham Foxman on Wednesday blasted both Nixon and Graham, saying that, "while never expressing these views in public, Rev. Graham unabashedly held forth with the president with age-old classical anti-Semitic canards."

Ahhh. Nixon and the Jews. And the Irish. And the Italians. (note: non-protestants)

While previous recordings have detailed Nixon’s animosity toward Jews, including those who served in his administration like Henry A. Kissinger, his national security adviser, these tapes suggest an added layer of complexity to Nixon’s feeling. He and his aides seem to make a distinction between Israeli Jews, whom Nixon admired, and American Jews.

...A moment later, Nixon returned to Jews: “The Jews are just a very aggressive and abrasive and obnoxious personality.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/politics/11nixon.html

Oh, and African-Americans...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/politics/11nixon.html

“Bill Rogers has got — to his credit it’s a decent feeling — but somewhat sort of a blind spot on the black thing because he’s been in New York,” Nixon said. “He says well, ‘They are coming along, and that after all they are going to strengthen our country in the end because they are strong physically and some of them are smart.’ So forth and so on.

“My own view is I think he’s right if you’re talking in terms of 500 years,” he said. “I think it’s wrong if you’re talking in terms of 50 years. What has to happen is they have to be, frankly, inbred. And, you just, that’s the only thing that’s going to do it, Rose.”

wtf, Nixon?

That was Graham's man.

[Journeyman]

15. "I knew in my heart by pure logic that any man who calls himself a religious leader and. . .

"I knew in my heart by pure logic that any man who calls himself a religious leader and owns more than one suit is a hustler so long as there is someone in the world who has no suit at all." ~ Lenny Bruce

. . .Billy Graham often resists family entreaties to make excursions from his mountaintop home.

I wonder, where does Mr Graham believe the poor live in this nation over which he has so often shed crocodile tears of rank hypocrisy?

My wish for him is that Mr. Graham may find in death the forgiveness and love he professes his God to have. The way I read it, though, that ain't what's in store for him.

[Blue Owl]

18. Billy Graham: Lord of the Eighth Mountain

Take that Ted Cruz and Rand Paul...

[Mira]

16. Read this:

Prince Of War by Cecil Bothwell.
though the eyes of the other posters are good and open, this book will confirm their perspicacity.

[RainDog]

30. ...

http://bothwellsblog.wordpress.com/2007/04/16/hello-world/

Considering Nixon’s reputation for meanness and paranoia, the public impression was that Graham, a polite and agreeable sort, had been pulled into a bit of unpleasantness with a close friend—something that can happen to anyone. Do we automatically knock down a buddy who tells a dumb blonde joke, a Polish joke, an immigrant tale? We should, but do we? Not always. Graham is human too. And, after all, this wasn’t just any old friend. He was the President of the United States of America.

But I was curious. As an investigative reporter with, then, fifteen years of experience under my belt, I was well aware that news stories rarely contain all the facts, if for no other reason than the limitations of space. I wondered about the context of the conversation, where it began and where it ended. So I obtained the transcript.

I learned that the conversation had lasted an hour and a half, had rarely strayed from denunciation of Jews and had been led by Graham. That astonished me. Moreover, twenty minutes of conversation had been redacted before release. What, I wondered, had been suppressed?

...Graham worked the corridors of Congress as well as the private rooms of the White House, sometimes overtly, sometimes quietly, in secret letters and private phone calls. And, quite contrary to Time’s assertion, it seems that Graham did more to abet segregation than to end it, actively opposing Martin Luther King, Jr.’s use of civil disobedience while endorsing aggressive police tactics and punitive laws.

He was vaudeville for racist rural folk.

[LeftyMom]

17. Why was Greta Van Zenu involved? She's a Scientologist, not a Christian.

Unless I missed a conversion.

[Jerry442]

19. I must say, Billy Graham opened my eyes to the truth.

For a long time, I thought that maybe a few of these high-profile evangelists might actually be decent people.

No more.

[Zorro]

21. Hey I've wept for America too

I've wept over how the Republicans have worked obsessively to fuck up this country over the past 45 years.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

22. Umm. . .screw you, Billy. And Pat. And Jerry and Dobson and the rest of you theocratic

political hustlers!

[Rain Mcloud]

23. I used to look up to him.

Before i realized the problems and continual crises of faith that i was having was because the bible was so much bullshit meant to keep the slaves pliable and the slave master in control.
Still i do not blame the faithful,life is a bitch sometimes and we all can use a little comfort from time to time.
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[Delphinus]

89. LOVE

that picture - the saying is perfect!

[TlalocW]

25. If he's done any weeping for America

It should be because of the type of people he's surrounded himself with over the years - the people at this ceremony being a good example.

TlalocW

[Rozlee]

26. That jerk counselled my sister-in-law to stay in an abusive marriage.

He was on an airplane flight and she was a stewardess and she told him about the problems she was having with the beatings her husband was giving her and that she was thinking of leaving him. This was sometime in the 1970's. Graham so much as implied that she was at fault and had to work harder to save her marriage. She stayed with that fiend for an additional five years until he gave her a concussion that she was unconscious for hours from. She'll say that it was a blessing in disguise because she wouldn't have had her twin boys, but that's besides the point. The man gave her advice that could have gotten her killed.

[BlueStreak]

27. Is he still alive?

Who knew?

The world will be a much better place when that is no longer true.

[polly7]

31. I keep getting this picture in my head

of a very fit, tanned God, or Jesus, or the bouncer at that golden gate, who's going to take one look at some of these people who've made a living scamming in God's name, check his list ........ and drop-kick him back down those stairs. Over and over every time they come back up to claim their eternal inheritance. I know ... that's bad.

[BlueStreak]

35. Nah, his embalmed corpse is going to slowly rot 6 feet under

just like the rest of us (although I will be cremated to cut out the macabre voodoo crap).

And just think of how many people have wasted so many lives believing this evil man's complete nonsense, when they could have spent some of that time actually doing some good for their fellow man.

Selfish, narcissistic fools.

[polly7]

36. I was raised to believe in God all my life .... I struggle now d/t too many

losses, I figure we couldn't have done anything to deserve all of that, but I'm actually happy that people do believe if it gets them through the worst times of their lives. What kills me, are these shamsters who knowingly rob desperate people of money they need to even stay alive. I've written a few times of my neighbour who gave faithfully every week and yet lived in poverty with her house falling down around her. All she owned was her little black and white tv set she watched Pat Robertson and any of the others who were on, a little chair that should have been tossed in the garbage and her bed and a few other things that weren't of use to anyone, afterwards. She literally had almost nothing, yet every week made sure to get her cheque into the mail before the truck came (I was Postmaster here at the time).

The people I know here who do regularly attend church don't seem to speak of religion outside of it and never, ever pressure those of us to join them or believe as they do. They actually do quite a bit, donating to food banks, gathering essentials for shelters and things like that - it's the people higher up taking advantage of those desperate to believe that give me the heebie-jeebies.

[BlueStreak]

50. Your last paragraph ...

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I also know many people like this:

The people I know here who do regularly attend church don't seem to speak of religion outside of it and never, ever pressure those of us to join them or believe as they do. They actually do quite a bit, donating to food banks, gathering essentials for shelters and things like that - it's the people higher up taking advantage of those desperate to believe that give me the heebie-jeebies.

And admire them. "IF" they believe in spirits, that is their own business, but I suspect most of them really know in their heart of hearts that it is just a big con. However, they enjoy the companionship of the church, which is a nice tax-free club. I don't mind seeing these clubs tax free if they actually are doing some good in the community.

As a professional musician, I play in a lot of churches, and inside of 5 minutes I can tell you whether the church is about helping the community or about stroking the egos and stoking the fears of its parishioners. All you have to do is look at the bulletin. You will find in almost every case that the activities of the week are either strongly focused on community service or else they are strongly focused on sustaining the religious con. Very few churches are anything like 50/50. Almost all of them are either real cons or else truly committed to the community. Fortunately my circumstances don't require me to take every gig. In the past 3 or 4 years, I have stopped taking work with the con churches.

As an atheist, I have no problem helping the community-oriented churches. I do my best to help them with their service in the most respectful way I can. I am so glad to have ridded myself of the dissonance that came from working for the real con jobs.

[polly7]

52. I agree with everything you've said.

I just attended a funeral Saturday, and honestly (it was the full Catholic Mass) I wouldn't have known it was a funeral let alone who'd died if they hadn't handed out the memorial card as we went in, and a very short eulogy right at the end of it all. I know religion was important to he and his family, but it was almost surreal.

I quit going to church when our local priest, who knew I'd been raised Protestant, kept coming to my house and pressuring me to convert to Catholicism. My Dad rarely ever got angry, but finally he told me to ask him what the heck (he said hell, but whatever ....) difference does it make? "You've got your own religion!" So I asked the priest, and told him for about the fifth time I didn't ever plan on it ...... and he never came around again. My ex was a Catholic. Only on Sundays though for the two hours at church, (and I did go with him the first few years but couldn't stand the hypocrisy of seeing the same people I'd served the night before at the bar getting hammered and cheating on one another, looking down on me at church because I didn't go up for the cookie and wine or whatever that was) ..... the rest of the time he was an abusive, bully who couldn't quote a phrase from he Bible if he tried. But aside from the cheating and hypocrisy, they really did do a lot for the needy in neighbouring towns and cities and I can't fault them for that.

My ancestors were Universalists and Protestants. Doing good deeds seemed to be much more important for them. Maybe I'm just biased.

[Delphinus]

90. UUs

are still about helping. If you ever have a need, check them out.

[warrant46]

81. At Last a Reasonable Post

[RC]

51. Only the good die young

And at 95, this helps prove the point.

[lastlib]

62. "Mankind will not be free until....."

"...the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

(Don't have at my fingertips the name of the author of that, and it may not be a perfectly exact quote, but it captures the sentiment....)

[BlueStreak]

72. I love that quote. Apparently from Denis Diderot

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/denisdider105429.html

There is a whole lot of truth packed into that one sentence.

[Mira]

77. Yes, the only problem is his offspring.

Maybe he can take him along?
I'm in NC. I will crawl under the same rock I crawled under when Jesse Helms died, and my local newspaper had NOTHING but their paper name and a humongous Helms photograph on the front page. Never saw anything like it. But I just know it will happen again when Billy Graham goes.

[SDjack]

28. BG has done more fleecing than weeping, especially taking critical

amounts of money from the elderly. My family does not have any rich members. Most of didn't have 30 days of reserves to fund a loss of income. We gave our mother a monthly contribution that we could have used ourselves, but glad to help her live an independent life. When she died, we were shocked to find cancelled checks that showed that she gave Billy G and others all of our monthly gifts plus some of her reserve. Jackals like Billy G have no shame. The believe that their god wants them to have that money so they can live like royalty. Now, he gives his last message and leaves our old folks to be fleeced by his son Franklin.

[rickford66]

29. con men

The Franklin Crusade had people living in town here for a year just to plan he fleecing and they fleeced real good.

[xfundy]

32. I used to respect him, among all religious leaders.

But he turned out to be a bigger asshole than all of them combined.

It's your hell, Billy, now go and burn in it, you hateful bastard.

[maddogesq]

34. A riddle for ya'll:

Q: What does a Billy Graham event and Lions' game have in common?

A: It's the only time you will see 80,000 people stand and yell "Jesus Christ!"

Sorry, could not resist...

[Archae]

61. LOL!

[stopbush]

37. Go fuck yourself, you anti-semitic racist.

[blkmusclmachine]

38. Did Obama visit Graham again??? I remember Graham gave Obama a special bible. This was a year or two

ago.

[defacto7]

39. Stupidest event I've seen in a while.

What a wasted life. Living a whole life based on one big nothing. I suppose the experience was fulfilling and expansive, but when a paradigm like that is based on empty non-reality, it's just sad. Not even to talk about the damage to America he has taken part in, but just the life of living for an empty dream that does not exist, one that is pure imagination based on a book of fables, lies and distortion really saddens me.

[Tom Ripley]

40. Billy Graham without stage presence is just another bitter old white man...fuck him.

[Alamuti Lotus]

42. Presently scouring Amazon.com to find some pine box suitable to catch those tears..

and to house this silver-tongued charlatan along with them.

[Major Hogwash]

43. He's senile.

Probably suffers from Alzheimer's disease.

[MindPilot]

49. Possibly but he's been that way a while

Crazy and deluded I mean.

[Kennah]

44. Isn't he touring with L. Ron Hubbard next year?

[anniebelle]

45. Epitome of a hypocrite!

What a wasted life and good riddance. Take all your hate and bigotry with you when you go.

[kydo]

46. I'll take Pope Francis over graham any day

graham is one of those charlatans, snake oil sellers but he does it in the name of God. Total disgrace.

[Javaman]

47. My mom used to call him...

Graham crackers, because she thought he was nuts.

[MindPilot]

48. He is going to be shocked when he finds out that the afterlife is nothingness!

Christians always expect the deathbed conversion as a dying Atheist feels the fires of Hell.

What's good for the goose...

Billy's last words, "it...was...all...BULLSHIT."

[Hassin Bin Sober]

54. Go to the light, you bigoted old con-man.

[sinkingfeeling]

55. I've wept for America as well, but for completely different reasons.

[SHRED]

56. Another charlatan and RW kook...Zzzzzzzzzz.........

[Myrina]

59. I'd love to be there at the Pearly Gates ...

... when he arrives & realizes that St. Peter is actually a transgender Muslim ... his entry ticket WILL NOT be punched.
Head south, you nasty old bigot.

[madmom]

60. I really must thank him...

because of him, I am an atheist today.

Well his help anyway. When I was a young teen, 13-14-15, my best friend's family were VERY religious. Every time ole BG came on the tv she had to watch and take notes..yes she was quizzed on it by her father. Her brothers on the other hand, not so much. They could do whatever. Being the BFF that I was, I occasionally sat and watched with her, dear ole dad thought that was great, another convert. Boy was he wrong, it opened my eyes big time and I never looked back. So....

Thank You Billy Graham!!!

[cpwm17]

75. Cool: he was the last straw that made me an atheist also

I was around the same age as you, in 1976 I think. My parent made our family watch him preach in San Diego Stadium for five straight nights. The night of the forth visit I picked up some pamphlets, which I read that night at home. I went to bed an atheist and have never had the slightest doubt of the possibility of there being a god since.

I had been forced to go to church and listen to threats of hell every Sunday for my entire life, but it took Billy Graham to free me from the fear of hell – fear for not really being able to believe in the religion.

[Arugula Latte]

84. He made you see the light and come to Reeeeeeeeason!

Hallelujah, brothers and sisters!

[awoke_in_2003]

63. He and his buddy Pat...

should just hurry up and die. Fuck both of them.

[Evasporque]

64. And then he returned to his 25 million dollar mansion....nt

[BigDemVoter]

65. I've never cared what

that aging fascist & anti-semite has to say. He can go throw himself down a well for all I care. The world will be a better place once he's bought the farm.

[we can do it]

66. Fuck off Billy

[olddad56]

67. +1

[olddad56]

68. Maybe he wept out of guilt.

[HenryWallace]

69. Franklin is using his "Old Man!"

"...often resists family entreaties to make excursions from his mountaintop home."

and then says:

"There have been times that I've wept as I've gone from city to city and I've seen how far people have wandered from God."

Who's words are these really?

If you want to see the evolution of his thinking, look at his 2006 interview in Newsweek. For a Fundamentalist (like his Son), he articulated a number of disturbing beliefs (he was not a literialist and entertained the possibility of universal salvation).

I am sure Franklin is actively managing his Father's appearances/communications for Franklin's own benefit!

[closeupready]

74. Good catch. Sure fund-a-gelicals will find a way to rationalize that one.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

[closeupready]

73. He's a sanctimonious one, living in a glass house, throwing stones.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

76. He's hateful and irrelevant and slimy.

[workinclasszero]

78. I'm a christian

The only TV preacher I had any respect left for was Billy Graham. All the others turned out to be greed monsters stealing widow's SS checks and preaching the gospel of ayn rand. You know..Hate the poor, hate the sick, hate the non Caucasian, the gay and the working class and send me every last penny you got fer Jesus! (and my multiple mansions, SUV's, Rolex's, Lear jets, etc)
I myself would be horrified to have a stone cold hater like Palin or that freak Trump at my birthday party!

I mean...when I think of Jesus, the prince of peace who said he who lives by the sword(AR-15 for you NRA fascists) dies by the sword, fed all for free, healed all for free, paid his taxes, told the rich to sell all their worldly goods and give the money to the poor and drove the capitalist pigs out of the temple with a whip.....

I immediately think of Palin, Trump and Cruz!?!?!?!?!?! x1000000000000 to infinity!

I weep for you Billy.

May God have mercy on your soul.

[BlueStreak]

82. Graham may be less of a con man than the worst of the worst

but it isn't as if he hasn't profited handsomely. He is reported to have a personal net worth of $25M (not counting any money that is stashed in his church books) and his son apparently draws a salary of a million bucks a year.

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/televangelists/billy-graham-net-worth/

I wonder how Jesus would view that.

[workinclasszero]

86. All I can say is...wow

In Acts 3:6 Peter said silver or gold I do not have, yet TV preachers in America are multi millionaires and a vast majority seem to be affiliated with the teabag randian rethug party.

How do they get around Matt 6:24? "You cannot serve God and money."

[BlueStreak]

87. They get around 6:24 the same way they get around anything else

They just select the bits of the Bible they like and ignore the other 99% or try to twist it into a completely different meaning that can rationalize what they want to do.

Just like any other Christian. Nobody follows the Bible literally -- I hope.

[ailsagirl]

79. LOL!!

That's all I have to say

[JVS]

80. I heard that he has a problem with his tear ducts that makes it impossible to cry. Is that true?

[leftyladyfrommo]

83. I've wept for America, too.

But probably not for any of the same reasons he did.

[Arugula Latte]

85. Buh Bye, Billy.

Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on your way to a non-existent afterlife.

[truthisfreedom]

88. yawn.

[Worried senior]

91. I've always felt he was a fake

Made a ton of money off his fake Christianity and raised a very hateful son.