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JanT

(229 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:15 PM Nov 2013

Insurance canceled? Don't blame Obama or the ACA, blame America's insurance companies

Source: FOX news

"The fact is if you are one of the estimated 2 million Americans whose health insurance plans may have been cancelled this month, you should not be blaming President Obama or the Affordable Care Act.

You should be blaming your insurance company because they have not been providing you with coverage that meets the minimum basic standards for health care."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/05/insurance-cancelled-dont-blame-obama-or-aca-blame-america-insurance-companies/



makes me wonder how many FAUX news watchers will say this is propaganda?
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Insurance canceled? Don't blame Obama or the ACA, blame America's insurance companies (Original Post) JanT Nov 2013 OP
OMG! MoreGOPoop Nov 2013 #1
Excuse me? Scairp Nov 2013 #11
Hell has official frozen over. Fox "News" said something that's true! sakabatou Nov 2013 #2
Blame the whole damn industry! cilla4progress Nov 2013 #3
That's the problem with everything related to health care: profit AndyA Nov 2013 #9
read the comments EC Nov 2013 #4
Heads were exploding every which way. Juan went all factual on their asses. Dollface Nov 2013 #5
Comments Roy Rolling Nov 2013 #7
Republicans have to believe it now! Lancero Nov 2013 #6
I just saw two pigs flying.... n/t cosmicone Nov 2013 #8
Few people were "blaming" Obama PSPS Nov 2013 #10
It's not long before what we used to call The Hundredth Monkey. The evidence reaches a certain point libdem4life Nov 2013 #12
who decides what is 'good enough' for someone else? quadrature Nov 2013 #13
ICs rejoice, get rid of your sick! ... quadrature Nov 2013 #14

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
11. Excuse me?
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 09:25 PM
Nov 2013

Did they really say something POSITIVE and also TRUE about the Affordable Care Act?!! No way, I don't believe it. This has to be a joke, or some form of sarcasm on their part.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
3. Blame the whole damn industry!
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:30 PM
Nov 2013

Or capitalism!

These companies "have to" make a profit...for their shareholders.

F****ed up system.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
9. That's the problem with everything related to health care: profit
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:01 PM
Nov 2013

You simply cannot configure a way for a private, for profit corporation to be involved in health care without it compromising people's health. It cannot happen. Single payer is the only way to remove the profit mandate from the picture.

Why does Congress have to protect the health care industry? Let it go the way of pagers and pay phones. The health insurers need to update their business plan, or go away. They've sucked enough out of people over the years.

Dollface

(1,590 posts)
5. Heads were exploding every which way. Juan went all factual on their asses.
Reply to EC (Reply #4)
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:11 PM
Nov 2013

There were a few defenders of the article commenting. I think they were just having fun.

Roy Rolling

(6,908 posts)
7. Comments
Reply to EC (Reply #4)
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:13 PM
Nov 2013

I read the comments...many were blatantly racist and the rest were blatantly political. It is a sad commentary about what happens when ignorant and bigoted people are given easy access to express their opinions under the cover of anonymity.

Lancero

(3,002 posts)
6. Republicans have to believe it now!
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 03:12 PM
Nov 2013

Fox News says he's innocent, so he must be!

And wait a couple of days for the announcement about how 'we were mistaken' about the report.

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
10. Few people were "blaming" Obama
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:18 PM
Nov 2013

I posted my own experience with this before and, as usual, got slammed by the swooners who thought I was holding Obama personally responsible for this. That's just silly.

As I've pointed out before, this seems to be affecting only those with an individual policy (i.e., self-employed, like me.) Since I'm healthy, make enough money, and have no pre-existing conditions, I was happy with my policy, such as it was. To keep it affordable, I had a high deductible with no dental/vision/prescription coverage.

Under ACA, a policy with the same overall parameters (i.e., high deductible and no dental/vision/prescription) will cost about double the premium. Of course, this is because the old pre-ACA policy wasn't up to ACA standards. The replacement policy has more benefits, although I will never use them. While I'd rather not spend several hundred dollars more every month, I understand how this works and accept it as unavoidable.

The problem is that these individual policies are being priced according to various parameters related to the policy holder, such as age, location, sex, etc. In other words, it is outside the proper health insurance model of pooled risk. When you begin to price a policy based on the individual rather than the pool, you end up with people like me paying far more than we should (and others paying less than they should.)

The reason this isn't happening to employer-provided plans is because those are priced more on pooled risk (of the group.) The company pays a fixed amount per employee regardless of their age, location, sex and even pre-existing condition. The ACA should have extended the benefits of group coverage to the individual market. The "exchanges" would be one way to accomplish this by creating its own pool but it was designed specifically to avoid this. Thus, those in the individual market continue to get screwed.

To hear the media (and the swooners) defend this, we get "oh, that's 'only' a few million people." Well, gee. Thanks!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
12. It's not long before what we used to call The Hundredth Monkey. The evidence reaches a certain point
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 09:44 PM
Nov 2013

at which the situation can no longer be denied, and it very quickly then becomes accepted fact.

I think that Fox News acknowledgment is the beginning of that point. There is too much anecdotal evidence mounting to deny it. The benefits come to aid a family member, a work associate, a friend, someone at church. It soon touches someone you know, and it becomes real. Much different than even Food Stamps or Welfare. The real ACA ... not the silly website debacle ... cuts across race, class, party affiliation, even finances.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
13. who decides what is 'good enough' for someone else?
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:48 AM
Nov 2013

who decides if men need maternity coverage?

Fox News?
somebody else?

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
14. ICs rejoice, get rid of your sick! ...
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 10:25 AM
Nov 2013

attn : insurance companies

the ACA lets you can get rid of undesireables
by making meaningless changes in their policy.

everybody wins.

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