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Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:48 PM Nov 2013

Breaking: Pivotal Trans-Pacific Partnership Section Revealed

Source: Truthout

Breaking: Pivotal Trans-Pacific Partnership Section Revealed


The TPP has been shrouded in secrecy from the beginning because the Obama administration knows that the more people know about it, the more they will oppose the agreement. The release of the full Intellectual Property chapter today by Wiikileaks confims what had been suspected, the Obama administration has been an advocate for transnational corporate interests in the negotiations even though they run counter to the needs and desires of the public.

This is not surprising since we already knew that 600 corporate advisers were working with the US Trade Representative to draft the TPP. This means that for nearly four years some of the top corporate lawyers have been inserting phrases, paragraphs and whole sections so the agreement suits the needs of corporate power, while undermining the interests of people and the planet.

Read more: http://truth-out.org/news/item/20006-breaking-pivotal-corporate-dominated-trans-parcific-partnership-section-revealed

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Breaking: Pivotal Trans-Pacific Partnership Section Revealed (Original Post) Bennyboy Nov 2013 OP
Thanks to WikiLeaks for releasing this information & Truthout for spreading the word! Divernan Nov 2013 #1
Let's match up Obama's campaign donors to those 600 corporations. Divernan Nov 2013 #2
This is worse than I thought. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #3
"If Bush tried to pull this" tblue Nov 2013 #8
Yeah, the hypocrisy is overwhelming Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #9
It's the inverse of international socialism. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #14
Isn't it? billhicks76 Nov 2013 #50
It's all mostly cosmetic at this point. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #66
It's bizarro world billhicks76 Nov 2013 #70
No surprise here. Look who Obama picked in this Cabinet in 09. Total Corporatism. Total Trojan horse blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #30
It's saddening and maddening at the same time. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #36
I was the 1st DUer to refer to him as a trojan horse & was ripped with gross insults at the time. Divernan Nov 2013 #39
Tip of the iceberg.......... nft boomersense Nov 2013 #42
Your thoughts reflect mine to a "T"..I believe my term was whathehell Nov 2013 #48
But...but...this is the most open and transparent administration ever! progressoid Nov 2013 #64
If by "transparent" you mean ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #67
This is old news OnyxCollie Nov 2013 #4
The bots & White House press room got caught flatfooted by this Wikileaks release. Divernan Nov 2013 #10
Ponies and unicorns in four . . . . three . . . . two . . . . hatrack Nov 2013 #69
"even though they run counter to the needs and desires of the public." bvar22 Nov 2013 #5
We'll be asked to vote for Hillary and *then* changes can be made. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #15
Keep our powder dry! Maedhros Nov 2013 #32
Always! :D Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #35
Our precious, precious powder...[n/t] Maedhros Nov 2013 #45
god I remember that line 2banon Nov 2013 #52
Not to worry, the TPP will make the 9 kings on the Supreme obsolete. n/t fasttense Nov 2013 #57
Get your torches and pitchforks ready, patriots Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #6
I'm glad there are some....... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #21
K & R historylovr Nov 2013 #7
"The conclusion: the TPP cannot be saved." Trillo Nov 2013 #11
Poor Julian is feeling lonely and unwanted - he hasn't seen his name in headlines for weeks! George II Nov 2013 #12
Maybe you need to find a different place to post Demeter Nov 2013 #16
If it's not sarcasm then the lameness of that poster's post is indeed astronomical. NealK Nov 2013 #18
Nah, I'm fine here, thanks. George II Nov 2013 #19
Yes, you are here. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #33
What an idiotic red herring. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #37
Nope....you? George II Nov 2013 #46
No, I'm too busy laughing at you. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #47
Your opinion of TPP, please. Hating Assange isn't tough--lots of people hate him. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #40
I don't know if I'm in or not - what was "leaked", and we don't truly know the ultimate source.... George II Nov 2013 #44
Yeah. He's for it. He just knows he can't come out and admit it lest any small chance to sway GoneFishin Nov 2013 #49
Betrayed your true identity. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #53
Awwwww, your haz sad... Am sorry... idwiyo Nov 2013 #61
This is worse than dotymed Nov 2013 #13
WikiLeaks? NealK Nov 2013 #17
K & R n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2013 #20
Relax, it's like chained CPI. Just because Obama proposed this and is working towards it... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #22
+1. jsr Nov 2013 #55
I just love Michelle's arms!!!!!!!!!! QC Nov 2013 #58
+1000. Finally someone who truly understands. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #72
k & r Berlum Nov 2013 #23
I'm waiting for the 60 Minutes Special on it before I make up my mind. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #24
Chuckles cantbeserious Nov 2013 #26
Or CNN's "Too Close to Call" Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2013 #38
Yes, 60 Minutes is where we will get the real story. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #54
Yeah, they'll get the the bottom of this. progressoid Nov 2013 #63
The Oligarchs And Corporations Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Nov 2013 #25
No Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #28
This is how you build a One World Government. With 30,000 armed Drones flying American skies, too. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #27
The "New World Order" is nearly complete 1000words Nov 2013 #29
"I think this release is going to pretty much kill it." --Julian Assange Divernan Nov 2013 #31
A Little Tired Of the Obama "Chess" Mantra colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #34
K&R n/t Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2013 #41
And Obama's a 'marxist'? Titonwan Nov 2013 #43
The, "Obama's a socialist! Obama's a Marxist!" meme is the smoke screen. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #56
She got canned from the Consumer Protection Agency? WHen did that happen? George II Nov 2013 #59
2014! 2014! 2014! a2liberal Nov 2013 #51
k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #60
House Deomcrats send Obama a letter Bennyboy Nov 2013 #62
Confirm what has been suspected how? treestar Nov 2013 #65
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #68
K&R nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #71
"600 corporate advisers" Ash_F Nov 2013 #73

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
1. Thanks to WikiLeaks for releasing this information & Truthout for spreading the word!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:02 PM
Nov 2013

From Wikileaks: http://wikileaks.org/tpp/
Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement

Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter. The TPP is the largest-ever economic treaty, encompassing nations representing more than 40 per cent of the world’s GDP. The WikiLeaks release of the text comes ahead of the decisive TPP Chief Negotiators summit in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 19-24 November 2013. The chapter published by WikiLeaks is perhaps the most controversial chapter of the TPP due to its wide-ranging effects on medicines, publishers, internet services, civil liberties and biological patents. Significantly, the released text includes the negotiation positions and disagreements between all 12 prospective member states.

The TPP is the forerunner to the equally secret US-EU pact TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership), for which President Obama initiated US-EU negotiations in January 2013. Together, the TPP and TTIP will cover more than 60 per cent of global GDP.

And more from the Truthout piece:

Now from these documents we see that the US is isolated in its aggressive advocacy for transnational interests and that there are scores of areas still unresolved between the US and Pacific nations. The conclusion: the TPP cannot be saved. It has been destroyed by secret corporate advocacy. It needs to be rejected. Trade needs to be negotiated with a new approach — transparency, participation of civil society throughout the process, full congressional review and participation, and a framework that starts with fair trade that puts people and the planet before profits.

Congress needs to reject Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority as these documents show the Obama administration has been misleading the people and the Congress while trying to bully other nations. This flawed agreement and the secrecy essential to its becoming law need to be rejected.


For more on the TPP visit www.FlushTheTPP.org

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
3. This is worse than I thought.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:08 PM
Nov 2013

Wow, just wow. Under a Democratic President, too.

If Bush tried to pull this shit, everyone would go bananas.

This is absolutely appalling.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
9. Yeah, the hypocrisy is overwhelming
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:34 PM
Nov 2013

The human race faces extinction so that corporations can make a profit. Our president concurs with the corporations.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
14. It's the inverse of international socialism.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:52 PM
Nov 2013

It's international fascism.

Labor can't/won't unite worldwide, but the financial titans have taken Trotsky's idea and applied it to capital. Labor has no chance when atomized to individual nations, and competing for the lowest working conditions as dictated by international capital.

We are losing this class warfare - and we are losing badly.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
50. Isn't it?
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:40 AM
Nov 2013

It's like facts don't even matter and we keep hearing the lesser of two evils argument. On a scale of 100 Bush is an 80 and Obama a 70 with 100 being the farthest right and 0 being the farthest left. This changes little. Maybe Elizabeth Warren can help us. I know for certain if Clinton wins we might as well give up.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
30. No surprise here. Look who Obama picked in this Cabinet in 09. Total Corporatism. Total Trojan horse
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:25 PM
Nov 2013

The real worrying part is Obama's overlooked association with numerous Christian Dominionist/New Apostolic Reformation and 7 Mountains Dominionism groups and figures, including entities like the Rev. Rick Warren and The Oak Initiative. In fact, The Oak Initiative gets annual invites to the White House every Easter Sunday, to pray with and give a sermon to the Obamas. And then there is the Presidential Prayer Breakfasts, and who runs that; it's the same people who operate "Frathouse For Jesus" in DC, the Rev. Doug Coe, a Christian Dominionist. And then there's Goldman Sachs, whose CEO publicly proclaimed that he's doing "the Lord's work."

There's the PR version of Obama, and then there's the real version of Obama. Guess which one "compromises" all our Democratic principles away at every opportunity???

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
39. I was the 1st DUer to refer to him as a trojan horse & was ripped with gross insults at the time.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:21 PM
Nov 2013

Here's my post:

Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 10:30 AM
Original message
Why did Obama choose to run as a Democrat in the first place?

When Obama entered politics, he was based in a Democratic city and in an era when the Illinois GOP was not endorsing any black candidates. Wouldn't do him any good to relocate to any other state. Nationally, the GOP had not sent a black man to the Senate for over 40 years (Republican moderate, Edward Brooke, elected in 1967), and before that, Reconstruction. The last black GOP Congressman was J.C. Watts, now retired.

Illinois, on the other hand, had elected black Democratic female, Carol Mosley Braun to the Senate in 1993.

Obama had NO choice but to run as a Democrat to have a political career, and Chicago, Illinois was an excellent choice for an ambitious black politician. Unfortunately, he doesn't have to be true to traditional Democratic values to govern.

The Democratic party welcomed this bright, well-spoken, minority guy with open arms and open hearts. We ended up bringing a Trojan Horse, filled with admiration for Ronald Reagan, Big Corporations and GOP values (profits uber alles) into our midst.

Based on his policy choices and actions, versus his campaign rhetoric, and particularly his announced ambition to raise a billion dollars for his next campaign, he's firmly tied himself to the big money interests in the country - who also have no use for traditional Democratic values.


Where are they now, those mindless bots of yesteryear?

whathehell

(30,458 posts)
48. Your thoughts reflect mine to a "T"..I believe my term was
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:02 PM
Nov 2013

"Manchurian Candidate". Either would seem to work.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
4. This is old news
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:11 PM
Nov 2013

brought up by hair-on-fire hyperbolists and attention-seeking Paulbot libertarians who suffer from racially-motivated Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Let it sink.





















Divernan

(15,480 posts)
10. The bots & White House press room got caught flatfooted by this Wikileaks release.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nov 2013

They're all anxiously awaiting the official line - can't say a word on their own. Pathetic.

(At first I missed your "sarcasm" thingie. Maybe you could move it closer to your post?)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
5. "even though they run counter to the needs and desires of the public."
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:21 PM
Nov 2013

Is anyone surprised?

So far, the defenders of the indefensible have avoided posts about the TPP and the TTIP.
THIS will be a trough one for them to defend beyond Attacking the Messenger.
I'm curious to see the Talking Points that will attempt to make this appear acceptable,
or are we past the point where anyone will even try?

Hopefully, this latest betrayal of the American Working Class and gross violation of promises made in 2008 will provoke a few more into opening their eyes.
It looks like we will need every pro-Working Class Voice inside the Democratic Party to head off the "inevitable" for 2016.


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
[/font]


You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
15. We'll be asked to vote for Hillary and *then* changes can be made.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:58 PM
Nov 2013
Only then.

In the meantime, we are asked to remain servile until the election, in which just the other side the promised land lies.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
6. Get your torches and pitchforks ready, patriots
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:23 PM
Nov 2013

This shall not stand.
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[/center][font size="1"]From Wikipedia Commons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eugène_Delacroix_-_La_liberté_guidant_le_peuple.jpg) (Public Domain)
[/font]

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. I'm glad there are some.......
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:39 PM
Nov 2013

...who realize that nothing short of a total rejection of the current status quo will stop this thing.

- And after that, we won't need this system.

K&R

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
11. "The conclusion: the TPP cannot be saved."
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:45 PM
Nov 2013

In all the years I've been on DU, we've been talking about the problems of corporatism. Yet, it persists, as does the police state with which it appears associated.

It is probably naive or stupid to believe, "the TPP cannot be saved."

George II

(67,782 posts)
12. Poor Julian is feeling lonely and unwanted - he hasn't seen his name in headlines for weeks!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:46 PM
Nov 2013
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
16. Maybe you need to find a different place to post
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:02 PM
Nov 2013

Because you are so far off topic as to be in a different galaxy.

Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
33. Yes, you are here.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:54 PM
Nov 2013

You forgot to bring some substance with you, however.

TPP is garbage. You a big fan?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
40. Your opinion of TPP, please. Hating Assange isn't tough--lots of people hate him.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:28 PM
Nov 2013

Parsing the words in an article, then synthesizing an opinion on that article and stating the opinion--that's a different matter that actually requires just a little thought. So...are you in, or aren't you?

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. I don't know if I'm in or not - what was "leaked", and we don't truly know the ultimate source....
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:48 PM
Nov 2013

.... of that, is still only a draft, not the final document. And it is a small section of a large and intricate document. Most importantly, it hasn't been presented to Congress yet and it hasn't been ratified by Congress yet, either.

I guess that wasn't the right place for it, but I'm just sick and tired of Assange doling out what he "has" a little at a time, and most notably when the spotlight has been off him too long.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
49. Yeah. He's for it. He just knows he can't come out and admit it lest any small chance to sway
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:04 AM
Nov 2013

opinion here will be completely lost.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
22. Relax, it's like chained CPI. Just because Obama proposed this and is working towards it...
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:40 PM
Nov 2013

Doesn't mean he wants it or would sign it! It's three-dimensional chess. Also, children love President Obama -- and look how smashing Michelle looks in her dress. You never really loved him anyway. This is all a sham put forth by the Clinton team of bitter Hillary supporters still angry over 2008. This is the best deal we could get.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
27. This is how you build a One World Government. With 30,000 armed Drones flying American skies, too.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:09 PM
Nov 2013

Did the Feds ever say who they intend to be looking for with their 30,000 armed Drones flying your neighborhood??? Or have the Feds simply given up on the old line about "something, something, 9/11," and just gone about instituting their preconceived Agenda in silence, now?!?!

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
34. A Little Tired Of the Obama "Chess" Mantra
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 03:59 PM
Nov 2013

There are people who will rationalize and explain away anything Obama does.

In 2008 I thought he may well be a real progressive but quickly learned he is center at best maybe leaning right.

Titonwan

(785 posts)
43. And Obama's a 'marxist'?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:58 PM
Nov 2013

No, he's a damned corporatist.
I'm sorry but now that Elizabeth got canned from the Consumer Protection Agency, I'm pushing for her to run in 2016. $hillary sold her soul years ago to big money and if she happens to win the primary- I'm gone fishin'. Fuck Dat.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
56. The, "Obama's a socialist! Obama's a Marxist!" meme is the smoke screen.
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 08:04 AM
Nov 2013

It has served to confuse millions of Americans. It has become the explanation for what is wrong with the nation for millions of Americans. Mostly these are Americans that grew up hearing there was no greater evil than socialism and Marxism. The smoke screen was carefully tailored to manipulate the target population.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
51. 2014! 2014! 2014!
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:17 AM
Nov 2013

It's all the fault of the evil Republicans trying to sabotage President Obama. We need to focus on the prize and get him a Democratic Congress so he can stop things like this that the Republicans are trying to ram through.





Oh wait...




never mind.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
62. House Deomcrats send Obama a letter
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 12:21 PM
Nov 2013

opposing the T.P.P.


SNIP

"The second blow came from members of the U.S. House of Representatives. In recent days, several letters were sent to President Obama opposing Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority. Fast Track undermines Congress’ responsibility under the Commerce Clause to regulate trade between nations by allowing the president to sign the agreement before Congress even sees it. The letters made public on November 13th demonstrate broad bi-partisan opposition to Fast Track with 179 Members signing at least one of the three letters.

A letter spearheaded by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) and Rep. George Miller (D-CA) garnered the support of three-quarters of House Democrats with 151 Members telling President Obama they oppose Fast Track, writing:

“we will oppose ‘Fast Track’ Trade Promotion Authority or any other mechanism delegating Congress’ constitutional authority over trade policy that continues to exclude us from having a meaningful role in the formative stages of trade agreements and throughout negotiating and approval processes.”

SNIP

http://www.popularresistance.org/the-people-can-defeat-the-trans-pacific-partnership/

treestar

(82,383 posts)
65. Confirm what has been suspected how?
Thu Nov 14, 2013, 01:35 PM
Nov 2013

Looks like this article asks the reader to swallow someone's conclusions wholesale.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
73. "600 corporate advisers"
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 09:46 AM
Nov 2013

It's so great that they pay people to look after our government so we don't have to worry about it.

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