Rep. Gohmert upset Obama’s Israel policy not based on Biblical prophecies
Source: Raw Story
A tea party lawmaker cited the Bible during a speech Wednesday on the House floor criticizing the Obama administration for its treatment of Israel.
There are many who have been aware of Scripture, and it has often been a guide in our relations with Israel, said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX). Some of us believe that the Bible is accurate. Certainly, so many prophesies have been fulfilled, and if that is true, this administration, unless they can find a verse that accurately says that those who betray Israel will be blessed, then this country is being dug in a deeper hole by this administration and its betrayals of Israels trust and Israels friendship.
Gohmert said President Barack Obama had urged Israel to enter into a nuclear nonproliferation treaty with other Middle Eastern nations, which he said would require the nation to disclose and give up its undeclared nuclear weapons.
This was viewed and discussed as being the first time in peoples memory when the United States, by and through its administration the Obama administration had taken action that was very adverse to Israel and the international community, and particularly in the U.N., Gohmert told lawmakers. Normally we did not side with Israels enemies.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/14/rep-gohmert-upset-obamas-israel-policy-not-based-on-biblical-prophecies/
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Or bringing about the Second Coming.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)mentally ill.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)Mental illness is the only thing that can explain his remarks, his posturing, his existence, etc.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Is his congressional district carefully gerrymandered to include every end-times nut in Texas?
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)I'm in a conservative district, but his goes much further right than mine likely ever could.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)get elected.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)They catch it in their churches.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)mis-educated constituency... he is the kind of representative you end up with.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)and low on science, logic and math.
cprise
(8,445 posts)especially during bouts of road rage.
indepat
(20,899 posts)that this is a nation of laws and not beholden to scripture printed in his bible.
chollybocker
(3,687 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)I can hardly wait until Saturday & Sunday. There's a few heathens and heretics that live on my block that WORK on those days.
Won't be posting much tomorrow...have to load up the truck with Stones! Hallelujah !
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)My goodness, that means he went to the very depths of all the oceans and the Australian outback and the deepest Amazonian rainforest and the North Pole. Also, he must have collected hundreds of thousands of different species of beetles alone. That Noah was one busy guy!
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Not very fond of bot-flies and a few other small things that bite.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)What kept the lions from eating the deer, or the cat's from eating the mice etc. etc. Guess that is another of those biblical miracles.
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)...not a penguin.
NCarolinawoman
(2,825 posts)ajk2821
(89 posts)God brought them to Noah. I think God used DHL to deliver them too. Or maybe UPS.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)It says that Noah went out and collected the animals, not that they came to him.
BTW, there are two conflicting stories on how Noah did it There's Genesis 6:19-22
And of every living thing, of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every kind shall come in to you, to keep them alive. Also take with you every kind of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them. Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.
The second is Genesis 7:2-3
Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and its mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and its mate; and seven pairs of the birds of the air also, male and female, to keep their kind alive on the face of all the earth.
So which is it, seven or two?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Genesis 2:18-19 (Humans were created before the other animals.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet (help mate) for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Genesis 2:18-22 (The man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib.)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
ajk2821
(89 posts)So much for my obvious attempts at humor with the DHL or UPS comments .
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Two of every kind or seven pair. Good question...
Since the babble is a mishmash of translations of translations of verbal retellings of myths, it's not a great place to look for consistency.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Noah also had to return the marsupials to their Australian homeland, the South American camelids to.......South America and Asian elephants to Asia and African elephants to Africa etc. Yes, one busy fella, that Noah.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Are you happy now?
tblue37
(65,340 posts)have to collect the species. They all come to him whether he wants them to or not.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Perhaps they were too big!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And some of us don't.
What's your point Louie-louie?
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...believe the Bible is accurate are fully, totally insane and should not be allowed in society because obviously, their thinking process is severely damaged and their ideas of "The world is going to end soon" and other fairy tales such as Adam and Eve and the Ark are not
the thoughts of a cohesive mind but the ramblings of a very dangerous mind.
Maybe I should have used a sarcasm icon. Excuse my sentence structure. I'm a Physicist not a writer.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Who said it was? I thought was quoting brainiac Gohmert
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Body, to give to others but this does fit into the GOP platform. They want to read the bible and make it fit their beliefs, wrong, this is not how it works.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)destroy.
Not surprized at all
I am not a believer but I know somewhere in the pesky bible it says
God is coming like a thief in the night
and no man knows the time nor the hour.
So trying create an end of time seniaro is impossible even if it was real
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)the line is from Night Court, referring to Bull the bailiff, but Gohmert is twice as dumb and nearly as bald.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)There are a large number of christian types who support Israel based on their belief that the existence of the State of Israel is necessary for the second coming. As a Jew, I do not care why these people support Israel. Louie is one of these idiots. Rachel Maddow discussed these people in connection with W. Bush's speaking engagement with the Jews for Jesus idiots. I did not how seriously Bush took this crap http://global.christianpost.com/news/george-w-bush-administration-was-trying-to-cause-end-of-the-world-with-apocalyptic-christians-claims-msnbc-host-rachel-maddow-108556/
"It was more than just news, it was actually kind of scary that the George W. Bush administration, when we learned how policy toward that part of the world was being made inside the Bush White House," said Maddow.
"These groups wanted the Bush administration to make sure that the borders of Israel lined up exactly with what they thought the Bible said it needed to be in order to bring about the apocalypse," she explained.
In light of the history of the group with the Bush administration, Maddow said it was not surprising that he would be speaking at the group's fundraising event.
"It's an amazing thing," Maddow said. "I mean, everybody's religious beliefs are their own, and by definition in this country, nobody's religious beliefs are better than anyone else's."
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/george-w-bush-administration-was-trying-to-cause-end-of-the-world-with-apocalyptic-christians-claims-msnbc-host-rachel-maddow-108556/#4COuycuMfijm4gW6.99
Louie's latest is simply an extension of the belief of some right wingers that the only reason for the United States to support Israel is to further their goal of a second coming. Again, as a Jew I am aware of these motives and I really do not care so long as these people are going to help Israel.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)do these fundamentalists ever reveal that not only do they need the state of Israel and the Temple rebuilt, but the end result will be the death and damnation to all Jews except for 144,000 who will be sealed to heaven?
I was raised around a lot of these nuts and spent a bunch of hours in church hearing these exact details. (Thank somebody I stopped in 1968 with graduation and never looked back).
I just wondered how Israel might feel if they really understood that the death of all but 144,000 Jews will be needed to bring about the new heavens and the new earth.
If this is offensive, please ignore it immediately. That's not why I ask.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)except the 144,000 that will go to Heaven and the return of the Messiah as Christ is only referenced in the New Testament, right? Jews don't believe in the New Testament. Jews only believe in the Torah or Old Testament.
I'm sure someone will try to correct me if I am wrong....
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)Most Jews know what the 'score' is when regarding the beliefs of these types. The Jews of Israel are just as aware. The difference is the ones in Israel, particularly some in power, capitalize on these beliefs, because, of course, it is not a shared belief, but support is support. So, yes, Israel does understand their motivations.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)I am not sure why you thought it was offensive. Trust me, that was one of the LEAST offensive questions about Jews I have seen here! LOL!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But hey, so long as the guy who thinks Jews deserved the holocaust, and who wants them all wiped out, happens to hate Arabs more, good enough for ZOA and their fellows, I guess...
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)Holocaust deniers and revisionists seem to be able to get allies from all sides of the political spectrums, rather than being scorned and shunned.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)n/t
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)in Georgia. I'm Jewish, she's Christian. We stick to personal stuff because politics is just too hot a topic for us - we accept we're different that way and try and respect that. When I was down visiting her once she had a dinner party where one of these types of fundamentalists tried to "change" me. I politely listened but at the end of her sermon I simply said "you don't seem to understand that I was BORN one of the chosen" and her book was a fantasy as far as I was concerned. Dead silence - in the entire room. My friend came to the rescue by just stating everyone was entitled to their own beliefs but for the rest of the evening, most of them just stayed away from me while shooting me dirty looks. I'm not very religious but felt very insulted by this person - I couldn't help wanting to embarrass her.
And yes, Israel is very aware of the end times fantasy these evangelicals believe. The Israelis I know consider them useful idiots.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)I can just imagine what they were thinking. Actually, I hear it more than I would like to.
My own thoughts about it are that you can't lay down with dogs without getting fleas... Israeli attitudes will continue to coarsen the more they are exposed to this type of money and power.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)The reason for the support of these group is not a secret. You can go to Hagees or the Jews for Jesus websites and see where these groups are coming from. The State of Israel needs the support of the United States and most Israeli politicians do not care about the reasons for this support. Most Jews are aware of these views and again are willing to overlook or ignore these views so long as Israel receives its needed support.
As for the Jews for Jesus, we warn our teenagers about this group.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)in their play, and that's not who we are. If you listen to the drama that they are describing, essentially it's a five-act play in which the Jews disappear in the fourth act."
Gershom Gorenberg
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Jews are being expected, once again, to submit to those who killed them if didn't convert. The mind is tortured by having to say you believe what you do not believe to survive. But it's all for their own good, of course!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)isn't based on rebuilding the Temple and then offering the Jews the choice of conversion or death?
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Blow it out your ass Louie....you and ALL of your fellow X-tian fools. Here's an idea for you if you love Israel so damn much...MOVE THERE and leave us in peace...
DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts)n/t
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)the patients had to go somewhere. Rep Gohmert went into Congress. No offence intended to those with real illnesses.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It isn't mental illness. It is a fanatical indoctrination. This phenomenon is not dissimilar to the one we witnessed with Jim Jones or the Branch Davidians. We have seen this throughout history.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)... and the rule against "adding" to the Bible.
maddogesq
(1,245 posts)Is there something you don't understand about the 1st Amend.?
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)every day is another opportunity to show the world you are a total asshat.
If you're a teabagger.
Botany
(70,501 posts)Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Theology and Democracy are two different things. Telling Gohmert to go live in Israel is not far fetched at all. The fact that Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Savior, presents a problem for Evangelicals in that they cannot have a theology in a democracy and they cannot have Jesus in Israel. So they choose to make decisions based on causing apocalyptic scourge, famine, war, and dominionism (King Cruz with the Church as the windfall profiteer) on both countries and their separate cultures to insist that God begin a Tribulation on their time table. Lets keep in mind that they are digging under the Dome on the Rock in Jerusalem to find the city of David. Satanic worship of the Skull and Bones took place under the city (look into worship of the head of John the Baptist over a goat's head, under the cities). Worship above the City and under the City or place of the Tree of Life, as discussed in Revelations, is paramount to the joining of old Celtic/Teutonic paganism and present interpretation of the Word as a part of the Western curse that believers in God, find detesting. (I am not a Jew.)
Edited to add the word Teutonic (Some Teutonic Tribes became the Greek people/writers.)
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)He should put his analyst on danger money.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Considering how much of his brain case was lost to his quintuple sized nasal chamber. He should be able to smell Dallas from his office in Washington.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)which has more legitimacy than the Bible.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)they drag Louie to the elevators?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)and kill those who refuse to convert?
I seem to recall a "prophecy" of that nature.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)They should start their own party called the "No Tolerance Party". It would be pretty easy to list their platform.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)By now we know who this guy is, what he stands for, and what he represents. He and his adherents are not influenced by any semblance of reason or reality. Their rhetoric is totally predictable. I'm beyond bored already.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)Morganfleeman
(117 posts)Gohmert is better suited to being a character on South Park than a member of Congress. To think this guy is a Congressman and a former judge is completely laughable.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Crazy asshole.
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)that one should not turn their nuclear cheek.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't care how religious Bush pretended to be. I knew that man was not listening to Jesus.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)A much maligned bag of hammers is breathing a sigh of relief.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)And others.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)just loves these useful goyim fools.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Says so in the Bible!
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ."
Ephesians 6:5
AAO
(3,300 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Cute how not marching lock-step with the most right wing segment of another country equals 'betrayal' of that country'.
I think Netanyahu betrayed America when he endorsed Romney.
Thucydides
(212 posts)I Kissed a Jew and I liked it.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KCEfvGIqA8A
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)for a man to have a bad beard, and being a Jew or a Muslim doesn't excuse having one. It's worse than a beardless Santa. These guys need to apply some serious Rogaine to their faces or shave.
HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)Is that Israel has nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them to any adversary in their region. A few years ago some high up in Israeli government actually admitted, not officially, that they exist.
The NNPT requires that the adherents to the treaty not expand the technology to other countries, which in Israels case is obvious. Israel has no interest in giving anybody else a weapon that could wipe it out with a small number of first strikes. So Israel is already there on that count.
The NNPT also requires that those nations make efforts to reduce and eliminate their stockpiles through negotiation.
...and the other thing Representative Goober doesn't take into consideration is that Israel signing the NNPT would put enormous pressure on their adversary Iran to stop their own nuclear program. Israel's nuclear capability is one of the main motivations for Iran seeking nuclear weapons. Don't think for a minute that Iran isn't intent on developing nuclear weapons as long as Israel has them.
.... and the other thing that Representative Goober doesn't understand is that Israelis don't believe whats written in the last chapter of the KJV Bible.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Gohmert said President Barack Obama had urged Israel to enter into a nuclear nonproliferation treaty with other Middle Eastern nations, which he said would require the nation to disclose and give up its undeclared nuclear weapons.
Sounds like a blessing to Israel to me.
packman
(16,296 posts)and all was good, clean, and orderly and then He said, "We need assholes to create disorder and chaos so man can point to them and see creation is all-encompassing" so he created the Gohmerts and gave them domain over the idiots. But they would not dwell in the land of Lunacy and spread out over the earth speaking in strange tongues and worshiping strange gods.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)RosettaStoned77
(53 posts)LOVE YOU BILL!
Mostly Orbiting
(36 posts)The song was gibberish, and so is the congressman's "thought" process.
lastlib
(23,224 posts)That's the appropos line
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Yet the president stubbornly remains black and a Democrat.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)it is getting very hard to tell the difference anymore.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Because you can interpret that particular novel anyway you want to.
cvoogt
(949 posts)/nt
olddad56
(5,732 posts)and that most of the people who read it might take it a little too literally. I can see where there might be a chance of that.
cvoogt
(949 posts)I think there's a kernel of truth and good things to be gotten from it, but somehow it all ends up being about how everyone's such a sinner... whereas the historical Jesus didn't make SUCH a huge deal out of it. He was a pretty cool Middle Eastern dude.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
eppur_se_muova
(36,261 posts)Talk about a losing combination -- with ANYBODY.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)(well, as of yet anyway).
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)"Temple of Solomon can be rebuilt" intentionally provoking World War III so that Jesus can return. Is any of that actually in the Bible? No, like the rapture - they just made it up. But that is what that strain of fundamentalist believes.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)guys like louie don't like jews he just wants them all to go back to israel. got to let jesus sort it out.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)I will give Louie a shiny new nickel if he would read Genesis 12 out loud to me. Especially the part when Abram got to Egypt and he made his beautiful wife lie and say that she was his sister so that the Pharaoh would take her into his house and give Abram lots of cool stuff, you know, like sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.
And God rewarded Abram for his lies and brought plagues on the Egyptians for believing the lies. Thats the Fox News marketing plan.
So, Abram whored out his wife for livestock. And thats where the Republicans got their economic plan.
Thanks for that Genesis 12 reminder, Louie.