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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 08:37 AM Nov 2013

Pennsylvania paper retracts editorial panning Gettysburg Address

Source: Reuters

Reuters) - A Pennsylvania newspaper on Thursday retracted an 1863 editorial that dismissed President Abraham Lincoln's now revered Gettysburg Address delivered during the U.S. Civil War as "silly remarks" deserving a "veil of oblivion."

The editorial published on November 24, 1863, missed the "momentous importance, timeless eloquence, and lasting significance" of Lincoln's speech delivered days earlier, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, said on its website.

Lincoln's brief address delivered at the dedication of a national cemetery at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, has grown to become one of the best known speeches in U.S. history. The 150th anniversary of the address will be observed on Tuesday.

"Our predecessors, perhaps under the influence of partisanship, or of strong drink, as was common in the profession at the time, called President Lincoln's words 'silly remarks,' deserving 'a veil of oblivion'," the newspaper said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-paper-retracts-editorial-panning-gettysburg-address-074028312.html

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Pennsylvania paper retracts editorial panning Gettysburg Address (Original Post) onehandle Nov 2013 OP
Kind of cool MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #1
Little has changed..... Thucydides Nov 2013 #2
On a tangent.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #4
Yeah you're right MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #5
Leveraging tangent.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #7
"had the right idea" that right idea plunged America into one of the longest cycles of gang violence Kurska Nov 2013 #9
Wrong solution to a serious problem zipplewrath Nov 2013 #6
There was a book on that subject a few years ago starroute Nov 2013 #8
The role of the income tax in Prohibition is pretty significant. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #11
This is a great thing to do. efhmc Nov 2013 #3
Ha! Reviewers! Ha! DavidDvorkin Nov 2013 #10
This might be one of the "strangest" stories I have ever read. Stuart G Nov 2013 #12
 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
1. Kind of cool
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 08:46 AM
Nov 2013

"Our predecessors, perhaps under the influence of partisanship, or of strong drink, as was common in the profession at the time, "
There isn't a lot written about our drunken forefathers.
Tell people that our constitution was debated and written by drunken racist, they look at you strange. However I think that would be a fair assessment of the times. No wonder it's such a flawed document.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. On a tangent....
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 09:41 AM
Nov 2013

When people discuss the failure of Prohibition, they are often ignorant of the fact that alcoholism was a big problem. And the reason that it was generally women in the temperence movement is their husbands would be off getting drunk all day, and failing to support their families. Prohibition was a failure on many levels (not the least of which it created tremendous growth in organized crime), but that doesn't mean that there wasn't a problem in need of a solution.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
5. Yeah you're right
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:27 AM
Nov 2013

These women had the right idea, unfortunately to be effective in a mans world they had to partner up with some real whackos. Have to remember women did not have a lot of clout so the only way to get heard was by leveraging some unsavory people like the KKK.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
7. Leveraging tangent....
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:31 AM
Nov 2013

The whole association between Unions and the Mob....as the labor movement grew, and strikes became common, corporations called on government military and private security (like Pinkerton's) to use brutal force to break strikes. The Unions needed their own security forces, and turned to gangs to provide the muscle for self defense. Once organized crime got an indication of the assets in the Union pension funds, and the cash flow they were generating, they fairly quickly moved in to take over the Unions.
History is much more complicated than the simplified version people have learned.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
9. "had the right idea" that right idea plunged America into one of the longest cycles of gang violence
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:26 PM
Nov 2013

Prohibition was a terrible idea, implemented poorly. It doesn't surprise me that some people wax nostalgically about it, though.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. Wrong solution to a serious problem
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:16 AM
Nov 2013

It was the wrong solution, but your point is valid, there was a very serious problem in the US.
MADD came along because there were still vestiges of the problem lingering well into the '70s and '80s. (Watch the movie Arthur in any modern context and it can make you wince).

starroute

(12,977 posts)
8. There was a book on that subject a few years ago
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 11:39 AM
Nov 2013

Here's a fascinating interview with the author that completely changes the way we usually think about the roots of Prohibition:

http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Interview/Daniel-Okrent/ba-p/2564

I thought Prohibition was simply a movement of pinched, narrow people who, as Mencken put it, were worried that somewhere, somebody else was having fun. What I found is that there were very, very good reasons for the movement. The amount of drunkenness -- particularly at the edge of the frontier, in the Midwest, in the rural areas -- was terrifying. Women had no legal rights at the time, and husbands were off getting drunk, drinking away the family money, not doing their work, coming home, hitting their wives, treating the kids badly, sometimes bringing home venereal disease from the prostitutes connected to the taverns. It was a real, real problem. So beginning to build a movement around the idea of home protection, as the Women's Christian Temperance Union called it, that was really, really important. I think Prohibition was a really bad idea -- but I think there were really good reasons for the nation to want to cut down on the amount of drinking that people did in the 19th century. . . .

It begins with Susan B. Anthony. It couldn't be more perfect. Susan B. Anthony is involved in temperance -- that's her movement in the late 1840s, as it was Elizabeth Cady Stanton's, and various others'. Anthony got up at a meeting of the New York chapter of the Sons of Temperance to give a speech, and she was told she couldn't give a speech; only the sons of temperance could, and she was a daughter, not welcome. That enabled her to realize how politically powerless women were. So when she and Stanton and others initiate a movement to get women the vote, one of the reasons they want it is because they hate the presence of liquor in American life. The two movements really merge by the 1870s-1880s. The Prohibitionists are supporting the idea of suffrage, and vice versa. We might think of the Prohibitionists as being narrow and conservative, but in fact, they were very progressive on many social issues: the betterment of women's condition in the home, child welfare, any number of other things. . . .

In fact, the income tax comes into play at both ends of Prohibition. Up until 1912-1913, as much as 40% of the federal government's domestic revenue came from excise tax on liquor. The excise tax on liquor goes back to the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1790s; then it was used again to finance the Civil War, and stayed in place. You couldn't have a government without this revenue, because there was no income tax -- the income tax had been declared unconstitutional in the 1890s by the Supreme Court. So the Populists, who were the primary movers behind the income tax movement, say, "Look, if we can get income tax, that will enable the Prohibitionists to get their Prohibition in, because the government won't need that excise money any longer." The Prohibitionists realize the same thing, and the two groups make an alliance, just as the Prohibitionists and the suffragists did.

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
11. The role of the income tax in Prohibition is pretty significant.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:57 PM
Nov 2013

Okrent doesn't get into it as deeply in this interview, but a lot of the push to repeal the 18th Amendment came from the wealthy, who wanted their taxes lowered. Of course, it didn't really work; Prohibition was ended but the taxes went up anyway. Some of the opponents of Prohibition wound up in the anti-FDR Liberty League, Al Smith probably being the most notable example.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
12. This might be one of the "strangest" stories I have ever read.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 03:13 PM
Nov 2013

It is a little late to retract an editorial..actually kinda fun.
Perhaps this speech is one of the greatest speeches ever. Eloquent, brief, poignant, and clear: it is an incredible example of saying what needs to be said in a short, concise way.
It proves that one doesn't need to go on and on to make a point. I love that speech for what it said, how it was said, and what was implied.

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