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brooklynite

(94,544 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:14 PM Nov 2013

Dow Closes Above 16000

Source: Wall Street Journal

The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed above 16,000 for the first time Thursday, extending a rally that has the blue chip-index on pace for its best year in a decade.

Gains on Thursday came after Janet Yellen moved a step closer to becoming the next Federal Reserve leader and a better-than-expected report on the jobs market boosted sentiment.

Behind the broader push that took the Dow through this latest milepost: seemingly greater confidence in the stock market's ability to withstand a scaling back by the Federal Reserve of the bond-market purchases it has been employing to stimulate the economy.

With Thursday's gain, the Dow has advanced 22% so far this year, putting it on pace for the biggest annual rally since a 25% gain in 2003. The blue-chip index is up 144% from its 2009 low.


Read more: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303653004579211283929257404



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Dow Closes Above 16000 (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2013 OP
despite a "socialist president" Skittles Nov 2013 #1
I guess the Senate action today was well received. DURHAM D Nov 2013 #2
^There it is!^ Reid dropped the big one, and the DOW responded!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #9
The Filibuster Rally! (n/t) klook Nov 2013 #3
Yipee. Now how about *wages* start going up. Brigid Nov 2013 #4
I don't like this IkeRepublican Nov 2013 #5
Oh you gloomy gus! Javaman Nov 2013 #6
thats a silly correlation bossy22 Nov 2013 #7
"Insane record highs"..... llmart Nov 2013 #8
It's the fact the Dow is so disconnected from the actual economy Fumesucker Nov 2013 #12
Well, it's not disconnected from my economy...... llmart Nov 2013 #14
Democrats are bad for the business, really? PM Martin Nov 2013 #10
President Obama is a horrible socialist Gothmog Nov 2013 #11
Dow at this level is still worth less than 2007/2008 CatholicEdHead Nov 2013 #13
Dow Closes Above 16000 Martin99s Nov 2013 #15
welcome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #18
Thank god it passed!!!1 RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #16
The market is completely disconnected from reality. Morganfleeman Nov 2013 #17

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
9. ^There it is!^ Reid dropped the big one, and the DOW responded!!!
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:37 PM
Nov 2013

Not only will the federal government get rolling again, but the economy will continue to go ahead full steam!!

It's the Obama Freedom Train!!!

IkeRepublican

(406 posts)
5. I don't like this
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:44 PM
Nov 2013

When the Dow sets these insane record highs, bad shit follows.

Examples:
1986 record - 1987 October crash, which never recovered for years.*
1997 record - 2000 dot com bust
2007 record - 2008 AIG/Lehman

*The 1986 record was in the 2000-3000 point range, miniscule by today's standards. But, recall the 1987 crash that followed and the 1992 recession that followed after that. The 1992 recession due to 80's Reaganomics slowly got worse over time and somehow seems to be overlooked today. It was a bad one.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
7. thats a silly correlation
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:07 PM
Nov 2013

yes, the stock market will go down sometime in the future, and yes there is going to be another economic slump sometime in the future but I wouldn't say that this qualifies the stock news as bad news.

llmart

(15,537 posts)
8. "Insane record highs".....
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:22 PM
Nov 2013

You do realize that when the market hit 2000 THAT was a record high at that point too. Then of course there were more "insane record highs" after that - 3,000, 4,000, 5,000....well, you get my drift.

If you live long enough you'll see more "insane record highs". What a Debbie Downer.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
12. It's the fact the Dow is so disconnected from the actual economy
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:01 PM
Nov 2013

Wall Street is soaring while Main Street is still stumbling along.

The term "irrational exuberance" comes to mind.

llmart

(15,537 posts)
14. Well, it's not disconnected from my economy......
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:08 AM
Nov 2013

I'm elated since I've seen my IRA increase by $53K in the last seven months. I'm semi-retired and draw from my IRA if/when an unexpected expense occurs. I live in a "senior community" and most of the people here no longer work at all and this gives them hope too.

If I took it all out of the stock market and put it in a "safe" investment I'd be making a half a percent. No thank you.

Gothmog

(145,225 posts)
11. President Obama is a horrible socialist
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:16 PM
Nov 2013

President Obama has to be the world's most ineffective socialist

Martin99s

(1 post)
15. Dow Closes Above 16000
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:16 AM
Nov 2013

On Thursday the Dow Jones industrial average closed above 16,000 for the first time in the much-watched average's 117-year history

Morganfleeman

(117 posts)
17. The market is completely disconnected from reality.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:58 AM
Nov 2013

When the U.S macro picture turned ugly between March and May the market continued to climb. The US macro picture has been lukewarm at best since July and the market continues to climb. High yield credit, which is generally correlated with stock prices has been moving sideways recently while the market continues to climb.

The one thing which has a near perfect correlation with the Dow and the S&P 500 is the size of the Fed balance sheet. Just plot both out, you'd be hard pressed to find a better correlation. And just look at market performance on days where the Fed is buying debt via open market operations. The market tends to be up.

We are setting ourselves for a bubble that will dwarf 2008. If there's ever a hint that the Fed will start reducing asset purchases, the market will not take it well. Any market where the fundamentals fly out the window is a market on very shaky ground.

Anyone who keeps telling themselves "this time is different" has not studied the history of financial crises.

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