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Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:13 AM Nov 2013

Family Says They Did Tip Gay Server, Didn't Leave Note

Source: NBC New York

After a gay server at a New Jersey restaurant said a customer denied her a tip and wrote her a hateful note on the receipt, a local family contacted NBC 4 New York and said their receipt shows they paid a tip and didn't write any such note.

Dayna Morales, a former Marine and a server at Gallop Asian Bistro in Bridgewater, posted a photo on Facebook earlier this month, showing the bill with a line through the space for a tip. The photo of the receipt showed someone had written, "I'm sorry but I cannot tip because I do not agree with your lifestyle."

Morales indicated in her Facebook post, and in subsequent media interviews -- including with NBC 4 New York -- that the customer wrote that line.

But a family contacted NBC 4 New York claiming their receipt from the restaurant shows they did leave a tip, and provided what they said was a credit card statement as proof.

Read more: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gay-Server-Tip-Lifestyle-Receipt-Discrepancy-233040811.html

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Family Says They Did Tip Gay Server, Didn't Leave Note (Original Post) Freddie Stubbs Nov 2013 OP
That happened here a couple times:-pseudo-hate-crime-victimology ErikJ Nov 2013 #1
There is the case of Charlie Rogers last year FrodosPet Nov 2013 #10
This is really too bad question everything Nov 2013 #80
The waitress is probably a victim in all this, too. JimDandy Nov 2013 #116
Happened at my old high school XemaSab Nov 2013 #53
This happens when people see profit from it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #2
It's damaging to the cases where it is true. Ash_F Nov 2013 #3
I suspect the right wing will waste little time in claiming all such stories are bull. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #5
Exactly. Don't give them ammunition. /nt Ash_F Nov 2013 #6
It's simple check the handwriting FranMonet Nov 2013 #4
Easier - check the total of her receipt, and check the total charged on the credit card DeschutesRiver Nov 2013 #58
It's all in the news report at the link. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #66
Had trouble getting link to open but I've read it now. nt DeschutesRiver Nov 2013 #95
I prefer to leave my tips on the table in cash. Lasher Nov 2013 #75
I don't ever do that. MicaelS Nov 2013 #89
Yes, in your specific example, which is not the case here from what I read. DeschutesRiver Nov 2013 #90
Yes, that is true. Lasher Nov 2013 #96
Yeah, the way this has gone down does suggest that anything might be possible.. DeschutesRiver Nov 2013 #106
...the restaurant needs to finish its audit and let the public know if they are at all responsible. MADem Nov 2013 #76
I think you have the answer. MicaelS Nov 2013 #92
Agree. At this point, what you mention is also a possibility. nt DeschutesRiver Nov 2013 #93
They have provided a credit card statement. MicaelS Nov 2013 #88
Thanks, hadn't seen the credit card statement. nt DeschutesRiver Nov 2013 #98
Oddly, though, the customer's credit card statement should have shown TWO transactions JimDandy Nov 2013 #117
No, it shouldn't. LisaL Nov 2013 #126
What? No, I eat out all the time... MicaelS Nov 2013 #129
I've never seen two transactions for a restaurant, only the one with the tip included. n/t tammywammy Nov 2013 #130
Depends on the payment vendor...some make the tip a separate transaction. hexola Nov 2013 #145
will be interesting to see if the restaurant can verify whether the bank statement is accurate tomm2thumbs Nov 2013 #7
It's probable these people were picked because they weren't very friendly in the first place nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #8
They thought her name was Dan instead of Dayna. LisaL Nov 2013 #33
They say that the person who seated them told them their server would be DAN. MADem Nov 2013 #78
Good point...Is there in fact a server named "Dan" that works here? hexola Nov 2013 #82
Or they misunderstood the seater OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #87
From the TV report, it seems as if they are calling the server Day - na, not Dan- ah... MADem Nov 2013 #99
I can't say what happened, I'm just saying OrwellwasRight Nov 2013 #104
I get what you're saying, it is just that when I mishear, I might hear Fran or Stan or MADem Nov 2013 #107
The man on the Grassy Knoll did this! randome Nov 2013 #85
I agree, the problem is once the story broke there was outrage over it davidpdx Nov 2013 #9
It could be they are both telling the truth JimDandy Nov 2013 #118
Yeah, I suppose that is possible davidpdx Nov 2013 #131
Not everybody is current on the language to use customerserviceguy Nov 2013 #18
"Tolerate" means putting up with something (or someone) you don't like, right? FrodosPet Nov 2013 #111
No, not always. The Museum of Tolerance isn't about putting up with people. MADem Nov 2013 #141
Thank you customerserviceguy Nov 2013 #144
At times like these, I defer to the dictionary FrodosPet Nov 2013 #149
Even your dictionary definition isn't about "like," though... MADem Nov 2013 #153
People who discriminate rarely leave notes n/t DaveJ Nov 2013 #11
Or if they leave rude notes, they sure as hell shouldn't pay by CREDIT CARD. MADem Nov 2013 #13
Racists and Ignorant people generally are not very smart. /nt Drale Nov 2013 #52
well is these people are ignorant racists, they evidently had the smarts cali Nov 2013 #73
I don't think you can forge a bank statement davidpdx Nov 2013 #132
Twill be interesting to see how this turns out... ReRe Nov 2013 #12
Not likely tho. Zero recs on a review of the case. Just comments so far. Festivito Nov 2013 #16
OH, the poor, persecuted, red-meat slurping heteros in the comments section! HughBeaumont Nov 2013 #14
WTF does that mean? LisaL Nov 2013 #20
Makes sense. penultimate Nov 2013 #108
Exactly. jessie04 Nov 2013 #109
If they did it or not, this post proves one thing- maced666 Nov 2013 #159
if true then maybe a lawsuit or prosecution should be in order Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #15
It appears Dayna is in a world of trouble. jessie04 Nov 2013 #17
It was on the local news here last night. Lucky Luciano Nov 2013 #19
Looking at the handwriting the handwriting looks the same though... Xyzse Nov 2013 #21
What handwriting? LisaL Nov 2013 #22
Must be my eyesight. Xyzse Nov 2013 #23
It happens a lot. The customer takes the origional, signs the wrong copy, figures on the copy and... marble falls Nov 2013 #24
They say they paid her a tip. LisaL Nov 2013 #25
It is possible they realized they had the wrong copy and called the restaurant CBGLuthier Nov 2013 #26
No, it's not possible since restaraunt doesn't have a record of this happening. LisaL Nov 2013 #27
Then the merchant copy in that photo has been doctored. CBGLuthier Nov 2013 #29
I don't think anybody is arguing that both sets of fact can be true. LisaL Nov 2013 #30
OK CBGLuthier Nov 2013 #32
If by "doctored" - you mean somone put a line through the tip and wrote a note hexola Nov 2013 #34
Most good restaurants will automatically add the gratuity for parties of 8 or more... hexola Nov 2013 #31
If they add gratuity, it should be on the receipt. LisaL Nov 2013 #43
So - safe to assume this was a small party...no auto gratuity in play...nt hexola Nov 2013 #47
It was four people. LisaL Nov 2013 #128
Last time I was out (in a baaaaah in downtown Boston), I got THREE copies of my bill. MADem Nov 2013 #81
What's weird though is the signed receipt without a tip written in. whopis01 Nov 2013 #36
Per the article, restaurant didn't produce the original copy of the receipt (to the press). LisaL Nov 2013 #39
See, you may have something there. Xyzse Nov 2013 #40
If restaurant automatically charges a tip, I presume that should be on the receipt. LisaL Nov 2013 #42
Yeah... Xyzse Nov 2013 #44
How do we know if it was or wasn't? LisaL Nov 2013 #45
That's why I placed it in a question mark. Xyzse Nov 2013 #46
Unless I see the original from the restaurant (which they claim they have), but refused to show LisaL Nov 2013 #49
Agreed on waiting to see the original receipt Xyzse Nov 2013 #50
three receipts are sometimes produced B2G Nov 2013 #48
Yes - often, the first receipt (bill) has the suggested tips at the bottom. hexola Nov 2013 #56
If they left the merchant copy blank B2G Nov 2013 #60
The tip might have been written on the first bill...which was left with the merchant copy. hexola Nov 2013 #62
Remember - they have already run your card by the time you are presented with these receipts. hexola Nov 2013 #63
Exactly. The $93.55 clearly shows as already run on these two receipts. JimDandy Nov 2013 #119
The initial "transaction".. sendero Nov 2013 #121
Because it LOOKS like a transaction record. n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #122
Haven't you ever been to a restaurant? LisaL Nov 2013 #127
As a person who has used credit cards.. sendero Nov 2013 #143
+1,000 - I mentioned this upthread. I think the third one is if you have to file for business MADem Nov 2013 #83
Exactly B2G Nov 2013 #97
I'd even go as far as making sure the "book" with the receipt on is handed to someone davidpdx Nov 2013 #133
duplicate/reprint jakesdad Nov 2013 #61
When/where did she find this note? hexola Nov 2013 #64
It was the reporter's job to ask these questions. JimDandy Nov 2013 #120
That does seem most likely whopis01 Nov 2013 #110
To me, the '5' look like they were written by different people. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #59
I called shenanigans on this one when it happened. AngryAmish Nov 2013 #28
If anybody actually takes the time to watch the video at the link snooper2 Nov 2013 #35
Yep - The Managers are keeping her tips...they wrote the note... hexola Nov 2013 #37
I have no clue as to what you are talking about. LisaL Nov 2013 #38
In my pub, sometimes the hostess (not waitress) will pick up the receipts. hexola Nov 2013 #41
Years ago--well, decades ago--when I was young, before computers and cable TV, MADem Nov 2013 #91
Wow, that is just crap davidpdx Nov 2013 #134
They were pretty shifty when interviewed. I like this angle... Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #84
the "how you live your life..." part indicates someone with personal knowledge... hexola Nov 2013 #86
I noticed that too. Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #101
That is the most likely scenario. JimDandy Nov 2013 #114
If this is true it's a double scam davidpdx Nov 2013 #135
They never do two transactions--they bill you for your food, by preparing the slip, MADem Nov 2013 #142
If you study your online banking ledger...you will see there are 2 "transactions" hexola Nov 2013 #146
Never have I seen this, and I have ordered out a lot down the years and paid with a card. MADem Nov 2013 #148
The managers sound like they have an accent of some sort... hexola Nov 2013 #55
Yes, restaurant sells chinese food so presumably the manager is Chinese. LisaL Nov 2013 #125
My first impression is not too kind for the server. randome Nov 2013 #51
Jeeze - I think she seems totally honest in the video... hexola Nov 2013 #54
I can't watch the video at work so I can't say I have all the evidence available. randome Nov 2013 #57
But the customer signed the $93.55 amount receipt warrior1 Nov 2013 #65
whoever wrote the note signed that copy of the merchant receipt geek_sabre Nov 2013 #71
Customer seemed to remember the amount of the tip... hexola Nov 2013 #72
The more I think about it I agree 3 is a possiblity davidpdx Nov 2013 #136
how is that clear? cali Nov 2013 #74
this server caused a lot of damage to this business Sunlei Nov 2013 #67
So why are the business owners blaming the customers...? hexola Nov 2013 #68
some business owners do and say stupid things. Now the person can sue the business instead of serve Sunlei Nov 2013 #70
Shame on her if she lied. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #69
I really hope she is innocent in all this... Hosnon Nov 2013 #79
I never write on my customer copy. abelenkpe Nov 2013 #94
I ALWAYS write the tip part on my customer copy - the tip part wont show up in your bank charge... hexola Nov 2013 #100
So why does the $111.55 show up in ONE transaction on the customer's credit card statement? JimDandy Nov 2013 #112
Haven't you gone to a restaurant? It always shows as one transaction. LisaL Nov 2013 #124
They just put a hold on the card. Mojo Electro Nov 2013 #152
I might not always write in the tip, but I'll put the total so I know what to expect on a statement. MADem Nov 2013 #102
The original Facebook post Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #103
WOW! It is obviously a different handwriting from signature to slur FrodosPet Nov 2013 #139
Reading on Have a Gay Day Facebook page SaltyBro Nov 2013 #105
Link please? davidpdx Nov 2013 #137
Here. LisaL Nov 2013 #150
Might be a case of theft from the server by someone at the restaurant nt kristopher Nov 2013 #113
Why do I get the feeling that..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #115
Yea, lets trust your feeling for no apparent reason. LisaL Nov 2013 #123
In the video - the customers said they didn't vote for Christie... hexola Nov 2013 #147
No, let's be skeptical for good reason, until we can positively solve this mystery. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #157
After reading through this and seeing the updated story I'm still conflicted davidpdx Nov 2013 #138
Did the waitress have a Politicalboi Nov 2013 #140
It looks like this woman has problems. bitchkitty Nov 2013 #151
Oh dear, she does seem to be a bit of a fabulist.. MADem Nov 2013 #154
Her actions bitchkitty Nov 2013 #155
Yes. And there is something deeply wrong going on, there. MADem Nov 2013 #156
OTOH, it shows that gays are no different from the rest of us. randome Nov 2013 #158
Update bitchkitty Dec 2013 #160
Another update Dr. Strange Dec 2013 #161
 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
1. That happened here a couple times:-pseudo-hate-crime-victimology
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:20 AM
Nov 2013

Once about 10 years a gay woman took photos of a anti-gay graffiti sprayed on her house and it turned out she did it herself. I remember there was another one but cant quite remember the specifics.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
10. There is the case of Charlie Rogers last year
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 05:57 AM
Nov 2013
http://www.queerty.com/charlie-rogers-faked-hate-crime-20120822/

Charlie Rogers, a 33-year-old lesbian from Lincoln, Nebraska who claimed three men broke into her home and physically scarred her before trying to burn down her house last month, has been accused of faking the attack in hopes it would spark change.

~ snip ~

According to Peschong, police found a pile of clothes, white knit gloves and a red box cutter on the living room floor after the alleged attack. Rogers said the gloves didn’t belong to her, but investigators determined that a lot of the DNA found inside the glove was Rogers’ and that none of it came from a male.

Peschong said investigators discovered that Rogers deleted numerous text messages she had sent the evening of the alleged attack, and that she bought cotton gloves, a box cutter and zip ties from an Ace Hardware Store in Lincoln on July 17. All of the items were later found in her house, he said. When confronted about the evidence weeks later, he said, Rogers admitted to purchasing all of the items except the gloves.

She also sent a photo of a cross-shaped cut on her chest to a friend a few days before the reported attack, Peschong said.

~ snip ~

question everything

(47,476 posts)
80. This is really too bad
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:07 PM
Nov 2013

Just with false rape claim - yes, they happen - such incidents make it harder for real victims to get justice.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
116. The waitress is probably a victim in all this, too.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 09:59 PM
Nov 2013

She reported the "Dan" conversation (misunderstanding) to her manager. Then a gay-bashing note appears on the manager's receipt (in handwriting that both the waitress and customer deny is theirs) and the waitress doesn't receive a tip... a tip that, according to the customer's bank statement, clearly was charged to the customer's credit card. Who was in a position to benefit from the disappearing tip AND could have engineered this? The restaurant owner comes to mind. Perhaps the IRS needs to look into this restaurant's books for possible tip withholdings/thefts?

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
2. This happens when people see profit from it
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:31 AM
Nov 2013

Many of the cases of waitstaff not being left tips and instead getting nasty notes go viral, someone starts a fundraiser, etc. etc....

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
5. I suspect the right wing will waste little time in claiming all such stories are bull.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:40 AM
Nov 2013

It's sad someone made that decision.

FranMonet

(57 posts)
4. It's simple check the handwriting
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:40 AM
Nov 2013

If you want to tell who's telling the truth check the handwriting of both parties.

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
58. Easier - check the total of her receipt, and check the total charged on the credit card
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:39 PM
Nov 2013

They must be the same; otherwise if their credit card statement indicates a higher amount, that would mean a tip was included.

I'd like to see both items now - her copy of the receipt with the writing, and the family's credit card statement to determine where the truth lies.

Since both claim to have them, this is easy to resolve.

ETA - finally got the article up and if they can show that credit card statement with the $111.50 charge to that restaurant for that day, then they are cleared of this. Sounds like the reporters saw the statement. And the restaurant needs to finish its audit and let the public know if they are at all responsible.

I guess all the server needed to do was run another copy of the receipt, roughly copy their sig and add her note to it and get her 15 min of fame, though these frauds only cause harm to others with this crap. I wish she had found a different way to make a statement, as many others manage to do.

I also see she made some cash off this and says she donated a bit of it; I'd also like to see proof of that before I completely write her off as a fraud. Sigh..what a mess.

Lasher

(27,579 posts)
75. I prefer to leave my tips on the table in cash.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:28 PM
Nov 2013

When I do that I line through the gratuity amount on the merchant copy of the receipt. In that case there is no record of my gratuity, not even on my credit card statement. My point is, your investigation would be inconclusive in my case.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
89. I don't ever do that.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

I want there to be a record of just how much I tipped, when and where. That way, I could never be accused of anything like this.

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
90. Yes, in your specific example, which is not the case here from what I read.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

It will be definitive here, as they claim to have used a credit card, added a tip and have produced a statement showing a higher amount on the date in question.

My point was that in this case, given what the participants say themselves, this shouldn't have to remain a mystery for long.

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
106. Yeah, the way this has gone down does suggest that anything might be possible..
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:44 PM
Nov 2013

And I've done the same, ie leave the tip in cash. I've thought, perhaps mistakenly, that the server would be certain to get all of my tip that way, if he/she so chose.

But after seeing what a mess it could put me in, I think it is more prudent just to leave a record of it by doing it on my credit card. If this family hadn't done that, we'd still be chewing them out without waiting for more facts.

I know I was growling, as it made me blazing mad. And I should have known to wait until all the easily obtainable facts were in...so now we wait to see for sure.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
76. ...the restaurant needs to finish its audit and let the public know if they are at all responsible.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:51 PM
Nov 2013

You know, it COULD be that someone on the waitstaff did that to the server to make fun of her. It might be that both the ostensible victim and the supposed perpetrator(s) were gamed by a third party who doctored a receipt to make it seem like the server was being hated on...?

I am curious, too....

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
92. I think you have the answer.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:23 PM
Nov 2013

I'm willing to bet this was done by someone at the restaurant who hated Morales, and decided to humiliate her. I bet they had no idea how it would escalate.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
88. They have provided a credit card statement.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:20 PM
Nov 2013

It shows a charge exactly as they stated, to that restaurant. ($111.55)

http://lezgetreal.com/2013/11/morales-tip-youre-lesbian-story-scam/

My prediction someone is going to be prosecuted for fraud.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
117. Oddly, though, the customer's credit card statement should have shown TWO transactions
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:08 PM
Nov 2013

one for the $93.55 bill that was run initially and a second transaction for the $18 tip. Wonder why the customer's bank shows just one transaction for the combined total of $111.55?

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
145. Depends on the payment vendor...some make the tip a separate transaction.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:22 AM
Nov 2013

If I go home right after using my debit/credit card at my local pub - my online banking ledger will only show the food/drinks. It takes about 48 hours for the tip to show up...added to the meal total.

But - It still shows as one transaction in the ledger...

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
7. will be interesting to see if the restaurant can verify whether the bank statement is accurate
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 04:44 AM
Nov 2013

seems like the restaurant would have figured that out earlier... and certainly can check now

plus the term 'tolerate' appeared to come out of the shadow'd people's mouth more than once... tolerate is not usually a term used by people who are open to others sexuality or other differences.

I'll refrain from judging the supposed truth here but it sounds like something still isn't right here



MADem

(135,425 posts)
78. They say that the person who seated them told them their server would be DAN.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:05 PM
Nov 2013

Maybe the seater screwed over the server... and these people (who didn't vote for Chris Christie) are innocent? A little restaurant feud between seater/server, or something? It could be that there's a third party in this scenario....?

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
82. Good point...Is there in fact a server named "Dan" that works here?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:10 PM
Nov 2013

If not - that, again, points to someone else on the staff being behind this...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
99. From the TV report, it seems as if they are calling the server Day - na, not Dan- ah...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:31 PM
Nov 2013

I wouldn't confuse Day-Na and Dan-ah, because they don't sound the same (if her name was Danna, that would be another story of course)--so again, I'm wondering if the person who seated the customers didn't have a grudge against Dayna and decided to fuck with her by feeding the customers a wrong name to hurt Dayna's feelings, and then followed up with a doctored receipt to further jerk her chain.

This one is a mystery, but if the restaurant does a little digging they should be able to figure it out pretty easily.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
104. I can't say what happened, I'm just saying
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

I've been in situations where what I have heard was about 0% close to what was actually said. I've also been yelled at by an airport clerk for not saying thank you when I in fact did. You don't have to "accurately" mishear something. People often don't listen carefully (or at all) or don't speak loudly enough.

You could be right about one employee trying to mess with or perhaps actually harm the other. It's a good theory. I'm just positing an additional theory.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
107. I get what you're saying, it is just that when I mishear, I might hear Fran or Stan or
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:50 PM
Nov 2013

Cam for Dan, that "a" sound would stick even if I got the beginning and end of the word wrong. Mishearing Dan for DAY-na just seems, well, unlikely to me.

It's why I am wondering if the seater may have said her name wrong deliberately, just to shit-stir...?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
85. The man on the Grassy Knoll did this!
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:14 PM
Nov 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
9. I agree, the problem is once the story broke there was outrage over it
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 05:15 AM
Nov 2013

If it turns out to be true will there be equal outrage? Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. If the server was lying there should be consequences. It will be interesting to see what happens.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
118. It could be they are both telling the truth
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:12 PM
Nov 2013

and a third party thought they could manipulate the situation to their advantage?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
131. Yeah, I suppose that is possible
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:48 PM
Nov 2013

The TV station is bringing in a handwriting expert and the customer is submitting their handwriting and the bill which proves they left a tip.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
18. Not everybody is current on the language to use
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:10 AM
Nov 2013

"Tolerate", or more properly, tolerence, had a different meaning many years ago.

I saw this story on the news last night, looks like the bank statement backs up their story. They took risks in coming forward, but they didn't want to put themselves in a position of complete vulnerability to activist violence. People around here get pretty scared of that sort of thing.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
111. "Tolerate" means putting up with something (or someone) you don't like, right?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:07 PM
Nov 2013

That is the best short definition I could come up with.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
141. No, not always. The Museum of Tolerance isn't about putting up with people.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:25 AM
Nov 2013

It's a monument to anti-hate efforts wrt the Holocaust and Jewish people.

http://www.museumoftolerance.com/site/c.tmL6KfNVLtH/b.4865925/k.CAD7/HomeMOT.htm

The Museum of Tolerance (MOT) is the educational arm of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, an internationally renowned Jewish human rights organization. The only museum of its kind in the world, the MOT is dedicated to challenging visitors to understand the Holocaust in both historic and contemporary contexts and confront all forms of prejudice and discrimination in our world today.

Established in 1993, the MOT has welcomed over five million visitors, mostly middle and high school students. Visitors become witnesses to history and explore the dynamics of bigotry and discrimination that are still embedded in society today. Through interactive exhibits, special events, and customized programs for youths and adults, the Museum engages visitors’ hearts and minds, while challenging them to assume personal responsibility for positive change.

Perhaps no other institution offers such a motivational mix of historical discovery and personal empowerment.

We invite you to learn about our history and vision, what people are saying about us, and news of current and future projects...



The Southern Poverty Law Center has a program on "teaching tolerance" that has nothing to do with putting up with people:

http://www.tolerance.org/

A place for educators to find thought-provoking news, conversation and support for those who care about diversity, equal opportunity and respect for differences in schools



See? Not about "putting up with" anyone. It is about teaching respect and understanding for people who are outside one's cultural, ethnic, religious or orientation group.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
144. Thank you
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:13 AM
Nov 2013

Like I said, "putting up with people you don't like" is a fairly modern definition of the word tolerance.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
149. At times like these, I defer to the dictionary
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:02 AM
Nov 2013
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tolerance

1: capacity to endure pain or hardship : endurance, fortitude, stamina

2a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own
2b : the act of allowing something : toleration

3: the allowable deviation from a standard; especially : the range of variation permitted in maintaining a specified dimension in machining a piece

4a (1) : the capacity of the body to endure or become less responsive to a substance (as a drug) or a physiological insult especially with repeated use or exposure <developed a tolerance to painkillers>; also : the immunological state marked by unresponsiveness to a specific antigen (2) : relative capacity of an organism to grow or thrive when subjected to an unfavorable environmental factor
4b : the maximum amount of a pesticide residue that may lawfully remain on or in food

-----------------------

It seems to me if you LIKE someone or something, that is not tolerance.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
153. Even your dictionary definition isn't about "like," though...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:10 PM
Nov 2013

....sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own ....


If you are sympathetic to the beliefs/practices of others, you probably aren't hating on them. It's all about respect for differences, not that you are expected to "join the club." That is the definition of Simon Weisenthal, et.al's "tolerance."

Anyone who was sentient in the MLK civil rights era is cognizant of this definition, most certainly--it was a popular usage of the term back then.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. Or if they leave rude notes, they sure as hell shouldn't pay by CREDIT CARD.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 06:47 AM
Nov 2013

Some mean jerk that digs through their wallet and pockets to find exact change might get shitty and snarky and mean under cloak of anonymity, but who in their right mind would, in essence, put their name to hate speech and make their name mud--"Hi, I am John Q. Public, and hetre's what I think of you because of your (insert race/orientation/ethnicity/other personal characteristic)....and eff you, too!"

Makes no damn sense.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
73. well is these people are ignorant racists, they evidently had the smarts
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:22 PM
Nov 2013

to forge a bank statement and a customer receipt. that doesn't jibe so well with leaving a nasty note while using a credit card.

which one is it?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
132. I don't think you can forge a bank statement
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:53 PM
Nov 2013

The customer is providing them to the TV station. Further verification could be done by the customer by simply calling the bank and asking the representative to state the amount charged on the day. If the customer is telling the truth, it is easily verifiable.

Plus a TV station is bringing in a hand writing expert. Between those two things that should pretty much lay to rest who did what.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
12. Twill be interesting to see how this turns out...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 06:42 AM
Nov 2013

... One or t'other of them is lying. Wouldn't it be a coincidence if BOTH were lying.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
16. Not likely tho. Zero recs on a review of the case. Just comments so far.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:02 AM
Nov 2013

Zero recs means it won't be read by nominal readers on DU. I rarely get a chance to get down to reading the Latest page.

The un reviewed news item made the home page more than once as I recall.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
14. OH, the poor, persecuted, red-meat slurping heteros in the comments section!
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 07:34 AM
Nov 2013

Won't SOMEone talk them off the LEDGE!??!?

 

maced666

(771 posts)
159. If they did it or not, this post proves one thing-
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:28 PM
Nov 2013

If you don't believe there are people out there that would do this sort of thing, or similar, look no further.......

Lucky Luciano

(11,254 posts)
19. It was on the local news here last night.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:58 AM
Nov 2013

It is pretty damning for the waitress. The family in question did have the receipt showing an $18 tip on a $93.55 bill for a total of $111.55. Their CC statement also had the $111.55 charge and the restaurant had no $93.55 charges that night. The report did say that there may have been confusion over her name as the family accidentally thought her name might have been "Dan" instead of "Dayna." maybe that triggered anger in Dayna that caused this mess?

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
21. Looking at the handwriting the handwriting looks the same though...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:39 AM
Nov 2013

If you look at the "5"s, they are very similar.

I'd go by the credit card statement if provided. However, since it seems that the credit card of the family was charged for more...
I'd probably think the customer is right.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
22. What handwriting?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:41 AM
Nov 2013

Family says they didn't write anything on the receipt. Fives don't look the same.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
23. Must be my eyesight.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:44 AM
Nov 2013

I'd go with the credit card charges.
Seems the family was charged more than what is written, so I'd go with that.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
24. It happens a lot. The customer takes the origional, signs the wrong copy, figures on the copy and...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:50 AM
Nov 2013

and forgets to fill the original. Waiters get mad and blow it up a little to vent on a stiffed tip.

The note and the statement from Visa hard hard to explain away but easy t understand if you ever worked front of the house..

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
25. They say they paid her a tip.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:58 AM
Nov 2013

They have a credit card statement proving the tip was paid.
Bill was 93.55. Their credit card was charged 111.55.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
26. It is possible they realized they had the wrong copy and called the restaurant
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:12 AM
Nov 2013

and authorized the tip to be run. That happened where my daughters work this past week. They have also experienced the no tip at all because the customer takes the wrong copy and never calls back. One of them had this happen with a party of TWENTY a few weeks ago and was quite upset at working an hour keeping a huge table happy only to get 100 percent stiffed because people are careless, stupid, or cheap.

Otherwise something is very wrong here as the tip would not have been run if they did not write it on the merchant copy.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
27. No, it's not possible since restaraunt doesn't have a record of this happening.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:19 AM
Nov 2013

The family says they paid a tip from the start.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
29. Then the merchant copy in that photo has been doctored.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:22 AM
Nov 2013

There is no way for both sets of facts to be true.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
34. If by "doctored" - you mean somone put a line through the tip and wrote a note
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:30 AM
Nov 2013

Then I agree -

But those receipts aren't "facts" - they are evidence...and it's easy to conceive such evidence can exist....

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
31. Most good restaurants will automatically add the gratuity for parties of 8 or more...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:26 AM
Nov 2013

Sometimes management is also careless, stupid or cheap...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
81. Last time I was out (in a baaaaah in downtown Boston), I got THREE copies of my bill.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:09 PM
Nov 2013

One merchant, one customer and one that was just...errr....THERE.

I dunno if they filed the spare somewhere, or what....? Maybe these guys signed that third copy?

whopis01

(3,511 posts)
36. What's weird though is the signed receipt without a tip written in.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:46 AM
Nov 2013

I can't figure out what the heck happened here.

Looking at the two receipts, I would have assumed that they did not leave a tip because the merchant copy is signed and has no tip written in on it. Once the story hit, the customers could have written in a tip on the copy they took home in order to try to cover their asses.

But they have the credit card charge for the right amount, including the tip. But what is confusing is that the signed copy left with the restaurant doesn't have a tip written in - so how did the restaurant know how much to charge them?

So - I believe that the customers did indeed leave a tip - but just can't figure out exactly what happened at the restaurant with the merchant copy of the receipt.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
39. Per the article, restaurant didn't produce the original copy of the receipt (to the press).
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:54 AM
Nov 2013

So figure it out.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
40. See, you may have something there.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:55 AM
Nov 2013

If the restaurant automatically charged them a tip. The customers could have looked at their credit card statement and put in the tip themselves on their copy.

Forgot that some restaurants do charge tip automatically. However, those usually need a signature.

You're right that it is odd that the restaurant would have a signed receipt without a tip in there. There is no point in reprinting or recreating one.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
42. If restaurant automatically charges a tip, I presume that should be on the receipt.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:58 AM
Nov 2013

I presume they can't just charge someone without telling them.
Every time I was automatically charged gratuity, it was on the receipt, and I could leave extra.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
44. Yeah...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:01 PM
Nov 2013

The whole thing is weird.
I mean, the receipt was not photoshopped right?

If it wasn't, where would the server get that copy? Even if she wrote all of that herself.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
45. How do we know if it was or wasn't?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:03 PM
Nov 2013

Restaurant refused to produce the original to the press, despite claiming they had it.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
46. That's why I placed it in a question mark.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:05 PM
Nov 2013

I don't know. Assuming it was not photoshopped, it is very odd.

I wonder if the restaurant would actually show the receipt, unless they are really that inept in their record keeping.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
49. Unless I see the original from the restaurant (which they claim they have), but refused to show
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:10 PM
Nov 2013

to the press, I am not going to assume any such thing.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
48. three receipts are sometimes produced
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:09 PM
Nov 2013

I've received 2 copies for myself numerous time. I won't be leaving that extra copy at the restaurant anymore however.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
56. Yes - often, the first receipt (bill) has the suggested tips at the bottom.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:28 PM
Nov 2013

That the server presents the fist bill to the customer...this often has 3 suggested tip amounts at the bottom.

You give the server your money or your debit/credit card.

They run the card...then they bring you the two receipts we see in these pics...

One is for the customer, the other is kept by the Merchant. I guess you are expected to fill each with duplicate info.

At my restaurant...they are identical - except for the word Merchant/Customer.

In the video - the customers seem to have their copy...So perhaps they just forgot to fill out both - or wrote the tip on the first bill - accidentally leaving the merchant copy blank.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
62. The tip might have been written on the first bill...which was left with the merchant copy.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:48 PM
Nov 2013

And note - tips are often run as a separate sub-transaction.

My online bank statement will show the transaction total if I check when I get home - but the tip will get added about 48 hours later...

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
63. Remember - they have already run your card by the time you are presented with these receipts.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:51 PM
Nov 2013

So - all they need is an amount to run to tip part of the transaction.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
119. Exactly. The $93.55 clearly shows as already run on these two receipts.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:37 PM
Nov 2013

There had to be a second transaction run for just the $18. But the customer's credit card statement shows only ONE transaction for $111.55. How did that happen? The customer should go to their bank and question them about that.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
121. The initial "transaction"..
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:52 PM
Nov 2013

... is just a "will this card pay" query. It does not show up on ANY credit card statement. I have no idea where you got the idea it would.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
127. Haven't you ever been to a restaurant?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:18 PM
Nov 2013

It doesn't show as two lines on your credit card statement. It shows as one amount (bill+ tip).
So 93.55 + 18 would show as 111.55. Exactly what they have on credit card statement.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
143. As a person who has used credit cards..
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:58 AM
Nov 2013

... to pay hundreds if not thousands of restaurant bills, I can assure you that the "will this card pay?" transaction does not appear on any statement, either paper or online.

This is merely a service that CC companies provide restaurants so that they don't find out after you have left that you gave them a declined card.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
83. +1,000 - I mentioned this upthread. I think the third one is if you have to file for business
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:13 PM
Nov 2013

expenses.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
97. Exactly
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

Business travelers need to turn in one receipt to the company and still need one for their personal records.

I have so many receipts when I get back it's ridiculous.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
133. I'd even go as far as making sure the "book" with the receipt on is handed to someone
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:57 PM
Nov 2013

instead of left on the table. The three receipt thing is a recipe for disaster.

jakesdad

(1 post)
61. duplicate/reprint
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:43 PM
Nov 2013

POS terminals can reprint in case of misprints, damage (torn, wet, etc).

hate to say this but the simplest explanation is someone (likely her) reprinted the receipt, wrote the note/non-tip total & disposed of the original. not sure if they (POS terminals) log duplicate/reprints but knowing PCI it wouldn't surprise me & if they do that would definitely be the smoking gun. not saying that definitely IS what happened but it's the only logical explanation I can come up with that explains everything... I hope it's not b/c if I'm right then whoever signed the reprint technically committed forgery...

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
64. When/where did she find this note?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:52 PM
Nov 2013

Did Dayna find this at her table? Or did the hostess or manager pick it up (not uncommon) and then show it to her when it was time to tip out?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
120. It was the reporter's job to ask these questions.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 10:45 PM
Nov 2013

How the restaurant handles billing their customer clearly played a part in all this.

whopis01

(3,511 posts)
110. That does seem most likely
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 07:42 PM
Nov 2013

Though I was surprised that the customers didn't claim that the signature wasn't theirs. Perhaps it was faked (copied from the original) well enough that they couldn't tell?

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
59. To me, the '5' look like they were written by different people.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:40 PM
Nov 2013

The tops on the '5's on the left are straight, the ones on the left have a curve, and an upward tilt.

The bottoms of the '5's on the left are rounded, while the ones on the right have a hitch in them.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
28. I called shenanigans on this one when it happened.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:19 AM
Nov 2013

Everyone (self included) sees themselves as the center of the universe. When there is a feature of your life that you see as really important (like sexuality) one sees every interaction with the universe as touching upon that important thing in your life. Very religious people are like that - they see every sunset as a sign from god that he loves them.

Anyway, many people want to seem brave, to put upon, etc. etc. So it seems with this person.

Or she is just a greedy fuck.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
35. If anybody actually takes the time to watch the video at the link
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:39 AM
Nov 2013

You can see who is lying...

BUSTED!

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
37. Yep - The Managers are keeping her tips...they wrote the note...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:49 AM
Nov 2013

Managers...not standing behind the customer!??? Even accusing the customers of making it up!!!?

Be careful here - we are taking the bait if we assume Dayna set this up...

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
38. I have no clue as to what you are talking about.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:51 AM
Nov 2013

Dayna would be one bringing the receipt to the customer and then collecting it. Not her managers.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
41. In my pub, sometimes the hostess (not waitress) will pick up the receipts.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:57 AM
Nov 2013

...and then they are rung in by the bartender/manager...who tips-out the wait staff.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
91. Years ago--well, decades ago--when I was young, before computers and cable TV,
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

I worked as a server in a restaurant and we pooled our tips and split them. The place was pretty busy on a constant basis so it wasn't like one person had it easier than the others. It wasn't unusual for two people to take care of a large party, as needed.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
77. They were pretty shifty when interviewed. I like this angle...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:58 PM
Nov 2013

Tho Dayna seemed to prevaricate a little too.

Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #77)

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
86. the "how you live your life..." part indicates someone with personal knowledge...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:19 PM
Nov 2013

of Dayna...like you might have between co-workers...

...a slip up?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
114. That is the most likely scenario.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 09:38 PM
Nov 2013

Especially since Dayna said she reported the "Dan" conversation to, wait for it... the MANAGER. I'd say the IRS should get ready to go through this restaurant's books looking for possible amounts that appear to be tips stolen from employees.

What is strange is that both receipts show the card was initially run for $93.55. The customer then signs the receipt and authorizes an additional $18 charge for the tip. The combined total of $111.55 is listed on their credit card statement as one transaction, though. That leaves two questions unanswered: Where is the restaurant's merchant receipt for the $18 tip, and Why didn't the customer's bank show both the tip and total as two transactions, which they clearly have to be for this whole scenario to work.

If the customers can get the second transaction number from their bank, they can show Dayna that her tip was stolen. Both of these people then can go after the restaurant for theft and libel and the government could go after it for tax evasion, theft and fraud.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
135. If this is true it's a double scam
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:05 AM
Nov 2013

Not only are tips (money) being stolen, but statements are being made that make the customer look homophobic (liable). Both the customer and the employee would deserve an apology in that case. Not only close down the restaurant, but throw them in jail.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
142. They never do two transactions--they bill you for your food, by preparing the slip,
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:40 AM
Nov 2013

you add the tip, sign the thing, grab your copy, and leave... and they THEN add it up and send it in to the credit card people. The first bit, where they run the card, is to make sure you're good for it.

The difference between the food cost and the total goes to the server.

If you look at your statements, you'll see there's always one transaction amount at places where you tip. Never two.

If the customers' paperwork and bill holds up to scrutiny, it's likely they are off the hook. So that leaves either the server making the story up, or someone in the restaurant with a grudge against the server doctoring that receipt to mess with her.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
146. If you study your online banking ledger...you will see there are 2 "transactions"
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:33 AM
Nov 2013

If I go home right after eating out - and check my ledger...It will show the bill - NO TIP...48 hours later - magically, the tip appears in the total. So - despite seeing 1 transaction...it is a 2 part processing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
148. Never have I seen this, and I have ordered out a lot down the years and paid with a card.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:51 AM
Nov 2013

I am not saying it is impossible, I am simply saying I have never seen such a thing.

I think it's salient to note that there are only two people who can access the machine to forward the information to the credit card company or print a copy of that particular bill--that would be the server who created the bill, or the manager.

There are times when an extra copy of the bill is needed--the customer is a little drunk and messes the tip part up, or someone spills wine on the thing and makes it unreadable; and the server has to key in a code, or use a card, to access the print-out. And the server (or the manager) could indeed print more than one receipt.

If I were guessing, here, I'd guess that someone printed out an extra receipt, and used it to cause a little chaos.

In any event, the customers have produced a copy of their bank statement. That matches their customer copy of the bill for the date in question. I think they are off the hook, so now, it's down to someone in the restaurant other than the server, or the server herself.

On the facebook page cited in this thread, someone posted that the server had been suspended from working while an investigation was underway. That doesn't look too promising for her but we'll just have to wait and see how this shakes out.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
55. The managers sound like they have an accent of some sort...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:26 PM
Nov 2013

Now read the note - and think of that accent...

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
125. Yes, restaurant sells chinese food so presumably the manager is Chinese.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:10 PM
Nov 2013

Are you saying that is somehow nefarious?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
51. My first impression is not too kind for the server.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:18 PM
Nov 2013

The note sounds too much like some victimology screed and she certainly promoted the hell out of it.

But first impressions are rarely right so...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
54. Jeeze - I think she seems totally honest in the video...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:25 PM
Nov 2013

I think something else is going on here...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
57. I can't watch the video at work so I can't say I have all the evidence available.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 12:30 PM
Nov 2013

I'm just guessing, nothing more than that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
[/center][/font][hr]

geek_sabre

(731 posts)
71. whoever wrote the note signed that copy of the merchant receipt
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:14 PM
Nov 2013

it is not the same handwriting as the customer copy. It even appears to be written with a different pen.

Even so, the credit card statement agrees with the customer copy. So the possibilities are:
- they stiffed her, and in retaliation she wrote in a tip anyway (fraud - customer's a dick, but she stole)
- they tipped her, and for some reason she decided to lie anyway for attention/money (fraud - customer's innocent, she's a dick)
- they tipped her, and a coworker/manager wrote the note, and pocketed her tip (customer/waitress innocent, dick tbd)

The fact that the restaurant refuses to turn over the original copy or their records suggests either they knew she was lying already, or they're guilty as sin.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
72. Customer seemed to remember the amount of the tip...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:19 PM
Nov 2013

I favor scenario #3...

In the video - she seems honest to me...and furthermore - the customers seem like the last people to express this kind of hate.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
136. The more I think about it I agree 3 is a possiblity
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:07 AM
Nov 2013

As I said above, if it is true then it is a scam against multiple people.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
67. this server caused a lot of damage to this business
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:03 PM
Nov 2013

Plus there is no reason for any server to take a picture of customer receipts in the first place.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
68. So why are the business owners blaming the customers...?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:06 PM
Nov 2013

They accused the customer of making it up...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
70. some business owners do and say stupid things. Now the person can sue the business instead of serve
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 01:13 PM
Nov 2013

server.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
79. I really hope she is innocent in all this...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:06 PM
Nov 2013

Otherwise, she's just another "backwards 'B'" numbskull.

The fight is real folks, no need to make it up.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
100. I ALWAYS write the tip part on my customer copy - the tip part wont show up in your bank charge...
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:32 PM
Nov 2013

...until a few days later...which gets confusing!!!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
112. So why does the $111.55 show up in ONE transaction on the customer's credit card statement?
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 08:44 PM
Nov 2013

But both receipts (merchant and customer) have only $93.55 printed on them next to the date near what is probably the customer's blurred out/blacked-out credit card number. If the tip and the total were run as two transactions, shouldn't there have been a separate merchant receipt with a separate credit card transaction number for the tip? That would explain how the waitress got hold of a merchant receipt showing the food total but no tip, but doesn't explain why there is only one transaction on the customer's card statement.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
124. Haven't you gone to a restaurant? It always shows as one transaction.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:09 PM
Nov 2013

I have no clue how it's done, but that how it shows.

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
152. They just put a hold on the card.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 01:56 PM
Nov 2013

They put a hold on the card for the amount of the bill, but only later when they settle the transactions do they add the tip in and then charge the total amount. Your card has not been charged yet when they bring the receipt back to you, they've just run it to see if you have enough on the card.

That's why sometimes you can't use those pre-paid cards or Visa gift cards and such in restaurants. Or if you can, you have to have like at least 130% of the bill (or whatever the chosen number is) available on it.

It's so they don't get stiffed on the tip.

If you have 100 dollar Visa gift card lets say, and you run up a bill of $98, the bill would go though, and then you could write in a $20 tip on the receipt and when they tried to charge it, the card would decline.

Most regular debit cards will just overdraw your account if you do that, so the restaurant still gets paid.



MADem

(135,425 posts)
102. I might not always write in the tip, but I'll put the total so I know what to expect on a statement.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:34 PM
Nov 2013

Usually I put both, but sometimes just the total.

SaltyBro

(198 posts)
105. Reading on Have a Gay Day Facebook page
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 02:42 PM
Nov 2013

that Ms. Morales allegedly faked having cancer not too long ago. She may just be a run-of-the-mill con artist.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
137. Link please?
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:10 AM
Nov 2013

This brings in new accusations and would be interesting to see how creditable they are. I'm not familiar with the publication.

It always helps to provide a link!

Welcome to DU!

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
150. Here.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:59 AM
Nov 2013

"Morales has been caught in multiple lies, telling co-workers she shaved her head because she had brain cancer and later telling them it was her friend who had brain cancer, her colleagues and friends said."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/26/waitress-no-tip-hoax/3761565/

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
115. Why do I get the feeling that.....
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 09:53 PM
Nov 2013

these people are either lying or tried to cover up after the fact. NEVER trust a bigot 100%, ladies and gentlemen.....verify first, and thoroughly.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
123. Yea, lets trust your feeling for no apparent reason.
Tue Nov 26, 2013, 11:09 PM
Nov 2013

Considering these people didn't have to come forward at all if they had anything to cover up.
WTF would they?

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
147. In the video - the customers said they didn't vote for Christie...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:36 AM
Nov 2013

because he doesn't support gay marriage...hardly the bigot type IMO.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
157. No, let's be skeptical for good reason, until we can positively solve this mystery.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:38 PM
Nov 2013
WTF would they?


While it's not common, some bigots these days will go to absurd lengths to hide their true feelings.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
138. After reading through this and seeing the updated story I'm still conflicted
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:16 AM
Nov 2013

Some brought up the possibility of a third person being involved. I think the theory could be possible.

I don't know much anymore about printing CC receipts because I've been out of the retail industry (or any industry having to do with credit cards) for over a decade since I live overseas. I'm sure the technology has changed quite a bit.

It sounds like the TV station is bringing in a handwriting expert and checking the customer's bill. If those are inconclusive, it may put pressure on the restaurant to release the records.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
151. It looks like this woman has problems.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:54 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.lohud.com/article/20131126/NEWS/311260034/Waitress-tip-tale-former-Stony-Point-resident-lies-about-everything-former-co-workers-friends-say

Morales told people she was a former Marine who was sent to Afghanistan and that everyone in her platoon died in an explosion except her, Larkin and Howat said.


but...

A spokesman for the Marines, Major Shawn Haney, said in an email that Morales had served in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve from July 13, 2009, to May 21, 2013 at the rank of Lance Corporal, E-3, as an administrative specialist. She was assigned to the Marine Air Group 49, 4th Marine Air Wing out of Newburgh and deployed from April to June 2012 to Romania as part of the Black Sea Rotational Force 11.

“There is no indication of combat service in Iraq or Afghanistan,” he added in a follow-up email.


She also lied about having brain cancer and hurricane damage to her home.

This woman evidently has issues.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
154. Oh dear, she does seem to be a bit of a fabulist..
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:20 PM
Nov 2013
But Morales has been caught in multiple lies, telling co-workers she shaved her head because she had brain cancer and later telling them it was her friend who had brain cancer, her colleagues and friends said.

They said she also told co-workers at a day care center where she once worked that Superstorm Sandy severely damaged her home in Stony Point, and sent a boat into her living room. Concerned co-workers dropped by her home and found only minor damage to the carpet by her front door and no sign of a boat, they said.

“Every story she comes up with has a lie,” said Julie Howat, 23, of Pomona....High school acquaintances and former colleagues of Morales said the revelations confirmed their suspicions about Morales’ original story. In the past, Morales has sought sympathy from friends and co-workers through questionable stories, Howat said.

“Any tragedy that happened, she had to be a part of it,” Howat said. “She needed sympathy and empathy.”

But this case has enraged Howat because people from all over the world were sending Morales money after hearing the story...


http://www.lohud.com/article/20131126/NEWS/311260034/Waitress-tip-tale-former-Stony-Point-resident-lies-about-everything-former-co-workers-friends-say?nclick_check=1

Not looking good at all for the server at this stage.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
155. Her actions
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:48 PM
Nov 2013

in this case are a slap in the face to people who really do experience discrimination. And lying about being in combat never goes over well with veterans or their families.

If this ends up in front of a judge, I hope he/she orders Ms. Morales to get therapy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
156. Yes. And there is something deeply wrong going on, there.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:53 PM
Nov 2013

Apparently - if we believe the reports, and it's looking like we have no reason to not believe them - she's been doing this sort of thing for many years, now, since her school days. She does need help; not sure if that kind of thing can be fixed, though.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
158. OTOH, it shows that gays are no different from the rest of us.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:01 PM
Nov 2013

That's important to keep in mind, too.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
160. Update
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:50 PM
Dec 2013

Server Dayna Morales has been suspended by her Bridgewater restaurant employers pending completion of their investigation of allegations that she falsified a story about a customer leaving her an anti-gay message in lieu of a tip.

"Ms. Morales is currently not on our employee schedule while we are still working to complete our investigation," the Gallop Asian Bistro restaurant posted on its Facebook page.

http://nj1015.com/dayna-morales-suspended-from-bridgewater-restaurant/

Dr. Strange

(25,920 posts)
161. Another update
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 02:33 PM
Dec 2013
Wounded Warriors: No record of donation from waitress who said she got anti-gay note

After the story of a lesbian, ex-Marine waitress who claimed she was left an anti-gay note in place of a tip caught worldwide attention, she promised she'd donate the replacement "tips" she started receiving from supporters to the Wounded Warrior Project.

But the organization, which supports injured service members, couldn't verify it had yet received any donations from Dayna Morales, who has been off the schedule at Gallop Asian Bistro since a couple claimed the note was a fake, Patch reports.

http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/2013/12/gay_waitress_donations_marines_service_questioned_as_investigation_continues.html


I don't get this comment from the article:

"We're still waiting for the owners to finish their investigation," Byron Lapola, restaurant manager, told NJ.com this week. "It's pretty complex, so until then we're restraining comment."


What exactly is complex? How hard is it to check the charges from that night and see if it was 93.55 or 111.55?
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