Cardinal Dolan: Catholic Church opposes Obamacare because ‘it’s excluding the unborn’
Source: Raw Story
By David Edwards
Sunday, December 1, 2013 11:39 EST
Cardinal Timothy Dolan explained recently that the Catholic Church wanted to support President Barack Obama’s health care reform law but could not because it was “excluding the unborn.”
In an interview with NBC’s David Gregory that aired on Sunday, Dolan insisted that the Affordable Care Act put Catholic bishops in a “tough place because we’re for universal comprehensive life-affirming health care.”
“We’ve been asking for reform in health care for a long time, so we were kind of an early supporter in this,” he said. “Where we started bristling and saying, ‘Uh oh, this isn’t comprehensive because it’s excluding the undocumented immigrant and its excluding the unborn baby.’ So, we began to bristle at that.”
“And then secondly, we said, ‘And wait a minute, we Catholics who are among the pros when it comes to providing health care, do it because of our religious conviction and because the dictates of our conscience, and now we’re being asked to violate some of those,’” Dolan added. “So that’s where we begin to draw back and say, Mr. President, please, you’re really kind of pushing aside some of your greatest supporters here. We want to be with you, we want to be strong. And if you keep doing this, we’re not going to be able to be one of your cheerleaders.”
“And that, sadly, is what happened.”
In fact, the Affordable Care Act mandates that all insurance plans include maternity coverage for the so-called “unborn,” which was usually only offered as an rider prior to 2014.
And the law maintains the status quo on abortion coverage. Private insurance companies have the option of offering coverage, which some states have banned. Government funds can only pay for an abortion in the case of rape, incest or if the life of the mother is at stake.
Watch this video NBC’s Meet the Press, broadcast Dec. 1, 2013:
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/01/cardinal-dolan-catholic-church-opposes-obamacare-because-its-excluding-the-unborn/
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)Pope Francis is a different person with a different agenda.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)pnwmom
(110,260 posts)
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Q. How many cardinals are there in the Catholic Church?
A. Including those elevated by Pope Benedict XVI in 2012, there are 213 cardinals in the Catholic Church, of whom 125 are under the age of 80 and therefore eligible to vote in a conclave. The size of the College of Cardinals has varied through the centuries, capped at 70 from the 16th Century till Blessed John XXIII expanded it and Paul VI reset the limit of cardinals who can participate in a conclave at 120 in 1973. Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have temporarily surpassed this limit immediately following the intake of new members into the College of Cardinals.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/united-states-conference-of-catholic-bishops/consistory-2012-qa/340955849277327
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)in his own diocese, and there are thousands of them around the world.
(He's both a member of the College of Cardinals and Bishop of New York.)
It is the Bishops, not the Cardinals, who control the money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_cardinal
A cardinal (Latin: sanctae romanae ecclesiae cardinalis) is a senior ecclesiastical official, an ecclesiastical prince, and usually an ordained bishop. Cardinals are collectively known as the College of Cardinals, which as a body elects a new pope. The duties of the cardinals include attending the meetings of the College and making themselves available individually or in groups to the pope if he requests their counsel. Most cardinals have additional duties, such as leading a diocese or archdiocese or running a department of the Roman Curia.
A cardinal's other main function is electing the pope whenever, by death or resignation, the see becomes vacant.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 1, 2013, 10:55 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm very aware of the roles and their obligations but, thanks for the enlightenment for those not so aware.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
muriel_volestrangler
(106,210 posts)The US Conference of Catholic Bishops: http://www.usccb.org/news/2013/13-137.cfm
Legally, those men, of which he is the president, own the Roman Catholic church in the USA. The pope doesn't - he hasn't had to get involved with compensated rape victims.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)in his own diocese, so as Bishop he's in control only of the money in New York. (The USCC doesn't control the money of the whole US except as individual bishops; each Bishop is in charge of the money from his own diocese.
Also, he's been replaced as President of the USCC since Francis became Pope.
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/11/bishops_elect_louisville_archb.html
BALTIMORE -- The nation's Roman Catholic bishops on Tuesday elected Archbishop Joseph Kurtz of Kentucky to be their new president as they grapple with changing priorities under Pope Francis.
SNIP
The conference president is the main spokesman on national issues for the Catholic Church in the United States and acts as a representative of the American church to the Vatican and the pope.
SNIP
Francis, elected last March, has said he wants pastors not ideologues, and an emphasis on mercy over divisive social issues.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)to reduce the church's obsession with such issues. Of course, nobody intelligent believed that it was anything but a PR dodge, meant to charm gullible and compliant news media and a public with a short attention span.
He could instruct Dolan and any other clerics to STFU on this issue at any time, but he never will.
pnwmom
(110,260 posts)Anyone who disagrees with you is obviously an idiot.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)related to the issue at hand? If so, I seemed to have missed it somehow.
dembotoz
(16,922 posts)pnwmom
(110,260 posts)
iandhr
(6,852 posts)"Pre-born your're fine pre-school your fucked"
Garion_55
(1,944 posts)
Maeve
(43,456 posts)I remember when Hubby was between jobs and we were afraid of a pregnancy starting and being declared a "pre-existing condition". Wouldn't happen now.
weissmam
(910 posts)Dolan hid sex offenders and laundered money, he belongs in jail
warrant46
(2,205 posts)So many Billions of $$$ paid by the church to victims of anal rape and worse
http://media2.fox11online.com/pdfs/merryfield-2-24-10-revised.pdf
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)People who help them keep doing the unspeakable to kids. Hooray for Catholics.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)did all those awful thing to the little boys
Most of them are hopeless and their treatment of young pregnant girls is abominable
RC
(25,592 posts)This is all about the unborn, the fetus.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)First it's men, then fetuses, then maybe women as an afterthought -- but only to the extent that they serve as vessels for the first two categories.
auntsue
(277 posts)might be male ....and thus so very valuable.
So glad I got away from that church !!!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)
The entire early focus of the church was to stomp religions that were inclusive of women and feminine values and impose male-based mythology on the masses -- The omnipotent deity is male, the savior (born of a rape victim) is male, Eve started all the trouble, etc. etc. What utter b.s.
lostincalifornia
(5,361 posts)lose their tax exempt status
This is why I no longer watch the MSM. They do not present equal views on a subject. gregory and nbc are worthless, and I have so much better things to do with my time then listen to their diarrhea
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)commandments next to his anti-abortion position, which Jesus never addressed. Despite abortion being a practice even in ancient times, the bible doesn't address it at all. Not once. Dolan's version of Christianity puts abortion first and only in front of all other principles, including the principles of feeding the hungry and healing the sick. A beggar on the street has more moral authority than Cardinal Dolan. He is the kind of rich person that believes he can thread a camel through the eye of a needle based on the power of his own word and authority. What an ugly hypocrite.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)like a regular human being.
I'm swooning! Such unheard of decency!
onehandle
(51,122 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(106,210 posts)DallasNE
(8,008 posts)Cardinal Dolan represents the New York Archdiocese and speaks for those Bishops. He is the most outspoken of all American Cardinals but it doesn't seem that it would follow that he speaks for them and their Bishops.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)They do not boss nor speak for each other. It's not like he's a president for all American bishops and cardinals.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,210 posts)What we find the new president saying is:
This is an excellent statement by Pope Francis. Our belief, and the belief of most people, is that when you look back in history, people’s faith doesn’t detract from public life. Instead, it enriches and motivates us to serve others. This is certainly true in providing health care. The Church has been a major provider itself, and an advocate of providing access to health care for all. However, when we do so, we do so in a manner consistent with our Catholic principles. So, the HHS mandate continues to be burdensome to us, and we will continue to oppose it.
I was pleased to see that a federal judge just granted an injunction to the Diocese of Pittsburgh and the Diocese of Erie saying that they do not have to provide types of health insurance coverage which violate their consciences. We hope that the U.S. Supreme Court will understand and agree. If the decision goes against us, we will still remain united in our opposition to the HHS mandate, and look for other avenues to pursue that enable us to remain true to what we believe. We will never do something we believe to be immoral.
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/2738/abp_joseph_kurtz_on_faith_family_and_francis.aspx#.UpuNqm2UYfw
So, the new guy to speak for all American bishops says the same thing.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)try learning something about the hierarchy and how it operates first.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,210 posts)and as I showed, his stance is exactly the same as Dolan's. The American bishops are showing a depressing amount of solidarity in their insistence on withholding healthcare from women.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)may be in solidarity with each other, but none is bossing the other across the nation. It's not how the church is governed. Just because there is a lot of gum flapping going on doesn't mean they can issue orders to other religious not under their jurisdiction.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)birth control -- an issue which affects all U.S. women.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I think other stupid old men that are elected in our Democratic process.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)A fairweather liberal, if you will...
http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2538852
rug
(82,333 posts)I can't imagine any other reason why you'd keep a post for nine months.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)one who called her out on it, I just remembered her username and it clicked, all I did was google her name and the word "lifestyle", also remembered that Gman teaching catholic kids that LGBT people are intrinsically disordered, he deleted that post before I could save it though, but he made a follow up post comparing homosexual activities to adultery, for some reason neither he nor Cleita were banned.
rug
(82,333 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Here's a quote, from the self deleted Gman post:
Unfortunately, Zorra was only able to quote part of it, but check the context of the thread if it makes you feel any better.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2594216
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Arguing with the likes of you accomplishes nothing in making this a better place either online or on this planet.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)the rest of us?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Stay tuned. Although, you should explain to everyone who the rest of you are as I'm sure many DUers probably don't want to be lumped in with "the rest of us".
bonniebgood
(958 posts)www.mayoclinic.com › ... › Pregnancy week by week › In-Depth
Prenatal care can help ensure a healthy pregnancy.
Dawson Leery
(19,568 posts)Dolan, the "Constantinian Crook" is being a good little whore perpetuating lies to maintain his power.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)imagine a major religious figure lying to protect his own turf... while pregnant women continue to lack adequate care.
That sounds evil to me, not like anything a truly compassionate person who say, and nothing a truly meaningful religion would allow as part of its approach.
but when it comes to women, these black and white views are common among religious conservatives - because they don't really care about the women, they care about their ideological position.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)interested in what is happening up in women's uteruses, should STFU. Most Catholic women would agree with me. I think Dolan is bending to pressure from some very generous donors like Opus Dei members, many of whom are very prominent, very wealthy and very male.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Shut the fuck up...your child molesting cult has no cred.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
madamesilverspurs
(16,511 posts)that humility is the key to happiness. Not that I disagree with the thought, but it was startling to hear it come from the lips of someone whose hubris preceeds him by half a mile into every room he enters...
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)
EC
(12,287 posts)Prenatal care is included in the ACA and without cost . It's part of the woman's care that the right doesn't think should be included in insurance policies. Dolan is an old fool.
sendero
(28,552 posts).. what the pope has to say, I'm tired of these dinosaur fuckwads myself.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)VATICAN CITY Pope Francis offered an olive branch of sorts to the doctrine-minded, conservative wing of the Catholic Church on Friday as he denounced abortions as a symptom of today's "throw-away culture" and encouraged Catholic doctors to refuse to perform them.
Francis issued a strong anti-abortion message and cited Vatican teaching on the need to defend the unborn during an audience with Catholic gynecologists.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/joan-desmond/pope-francis-evangelii-gaudium-tackles-abortion-and-religious-freedom#ixzz2mGTblLWG
From the Evangelii Gaudium...
The relevant passages on abortion and religious freedom in his 84-page apostolic exhortation are below.
On Abortion: the defense of unborn life is "closely linked to the defense of each and every other human right."
213. Among the vulnerable for whom the Church wishes to care with particular love and concern are unborn children, the most defenceless and innocent among us. Nowadays efforts are made to deny them their human dignity and to do with them whatever one pleases, taking their lives and passing laws preventing anyone from standing in the way of this. Frequently, as a way of ridiculing the Church’s effort to defend their lives, attempts are made to present her position as ideological, obscurantist and conservative. Yet this defence of unborn life is closely linked to the defence of each and every other human right. It involves the conviction that a human being is always sacred and inviolable, in any situation and at every stage of development. Human beings are ends in themselves and never a means of resolving other problems. Once this conviction disappears, so do solid and lasting foundations for the defence of human rights, which would always be subject to the passing whims of the powers that be. Reason alone is sufficient to recognize the inviolable value of each single human life, but if we also look at the issue from the standpoint of faith, “every violation of the personal dignity of the human being cries out in vengeance to God and is an offence against the creator of the individual”.[176]
214. Precisely because this involves the internal consistency of our message about the value of the human person, the Church cannot be expected to change her position on this question. I want to be completely honest in this regard. This is not something subject to alleged reforms or “modernizations”. It is not “progressive” to try to resolve problems by eliminating a human life. On the other hand, it is also true that we have done little to adequately accompany women in very difficult situations, where abortion appears as a quick solution to their profound anguish, especially when the life developing within them is the result of rape or a situation of extreme poverty. Who can remain unmoved before such painful situations?
sendero
(28,552 posts)... where is the ACA?
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Particularly the portions which I placed in bold type.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... don't.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)... that any quotes I could provide would satisfy you with regard to this issue, so I would invite you to provide any quotes from Pope Francis that would counter the current efforts by the Bishops to fight the ACA.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)
Sanity Claws
(22,413 posts)Pope Francis is very much against this game you are playing.
BTW, I didn't watch (I have a serious allergy to Dolan) but can someone tell me whether he said anything nice about the ACA? Did he at least that it was a move in the right direction in that it helps take care of our brothers and sisters?
47of74
(18,470 posts)...and said, "Hi Tim! There's this little parish called St. Patrick's in Barrow, Alaska. They don't have a resident priest there. I intend to correct this, and I think I found just the priest for them too. So starting now, you're going to be the priest for that parish. I want you up there in time for Mass next Sunday. My assistant has your flight details. Better take plenty of nice, warm clothing too, I understand it gets a bit cold up there this time of year."
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)
benld74
(10,285 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)discocrisco01
(1,684 posts)For what? Allowing contraception policy? There is nothing in biblical scripture that have an explicit ban against contraception. The Bible tells people not to have sex outside of marriage and says nothing explicit against contraception.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)marshall
(6,706 posts)It is a slippery slope. Once you consider the so called right of "the unborn" and turn that into a class of person there are many far reaching and Unintended consequences.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)If he would address the unheralded power of the penis in our society there would be alot less unwanted fetuses.
Bully the woman or rein in the men? With catholics, it's an easy choice, and it has nothing to do with respect for life.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That asshole needs to spend some time in the real world....and he needs to not tell non-Catholics what to do or what to believe.
sinkingfeeling
(57,835 posts)
The Wizard
(13,735 posts)Bearing false witness is as clear a doctrine as prenatal care in the Affordable Care Act. The Cardinal thinks no one is paying attention.