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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 01:54 PM Dec 2013

Boy Scouts open ranks to gay youth on Jan. 1

Source: AP

The Boy Scouts of America will accept openly gay youths starting on New Year's Day, a historic change that has prompted the BSA to ponder a host of potential complications — ranging from policies on tentmates and showers to whether Scouts can march in gay pride parades.

Yet despite their be-prepared approach, BSA leaders are rooting for the change to be a non-event, comparable to another New Year's Day in 2000 when widespread fears of digital-clock chaos to start the new millennium proved unfounded.

"My hope is there will be the same effect this Jan. 1 as the Y2K scare," said Brad Haddock, a BSA national executive board member who chairs the policy implementation committee. "It's business as usual, nothing happens and we move forward."

Some churches are dropping their sponsorship of Scout units because of the new policy and some families are switching to a new conservative alternative called Trail Life USA. But massive defections haven't materialized and most major sponsors, including the Roman Catholic and Mormon churches, are maintaining ties.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/article/Boy-Scouts-open-ranks-to-gay-youth-on-Jan-1-5098227.php

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Boy Scouts open ranks to gay youth on Jan. 1 (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 OP
A good start. Now include BSA leadership. mahannah Dec 2013 #1
Good. Android3.14 Dec 2013 #2
And guess what BSA... SoapBox Dec 2013 #3
the same effect this Jan. 1 as the Y2K scare undeterred Dec 2013 #4
Oh noooooo! It's the end of the world!!111! progressoid Dec 2013 #5
Good! Now.. about us atheists.. X_Digger Dec 2013 #6
Why a calendar countdown? Why not just 'ok come on in'? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #7
"Come on in" might not be the phrase I'd choose (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2013 #11
You may enter? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #20
Our local troop did a letter - TBF Dec 2013 #8
Did the Girl Scouts even HAVE a "deadline" type of thing? Or did they just CTyankee Dec 2013 #9
My understanding is that the GSA never, ever had an exclusion policy in the first place. Hekate Dec 2013 #14
acceptable until they are 18 years old oldandhappy Dec 2013 #10
Sadly, a lot of it is because they have to fend off the "OMG PEDOPHILES" reaction that a repeal nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #19
The sexual thing should be a non-issue in the Boy Scouts jmowreader Dec 2013 #12
Documentation, please. mahannah Dec 2013 #13
Quite likely the documentation you seek is in old Scout handbooks under the heading Clean Living... Hekate Dec 2013 #15
Jmowreader is correct Xithras Dec 2013 #21
This is a victory -- I know people who worked really hard to get this change... Hekate Dec 2013 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #17
You're cute. arcane1 Dec 2013 #18

TBF

(32,557 posts)
8. Our local troop did a letter -
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:16 PM
Dec 2013

it was very forceful in supporting the change so I enrolled my son this year. Next up is working on the ban against gay leaders to get that overturned as well. So far from what I've seen it is a good organization though not as open and encouraging as the girl scouts (I've had my daughter in there for years - no requirement to believe in god, economic help for scouts who are less fortunate etc ...).

I'm determined to support Boy Scouts because they are moving in the correct direction, even if it is at a snail's pace.

The younger generations are with us on this so it's just a matter of the old dinos dying off.

CTyankee

(64,132 posts)
9. Did the Girl Scouts even HAVE a "deadline" type of thing? Or did they just
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:19 PM
Dec 2013

have membership open to all girls, with no mention of sexual preference?

Hekate

(92,304 posts)
14. My understanding is that the GSA never, ever had an exclusion policy in the first place.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:05 AM
Dec 2013

IIRC, back when the BSA was taken over by the bigots the GSA was asked about their policy and made the statement I referenced.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
10. acceptable until they are 18 years old
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:31 PM
Dec 2013

Cracks me up. You are OK now. You are not OK later. Really??!! Sigh.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
19. Sadly, a lot of it is because they have to fend off the "OMG PEDOPHILES" reaction that a repeal
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:59 PM
Dec 2013

of the ban on gay Scout leaders would prompt from the far Right. Of course, you and I know that a gay man is no more likely than a straight man - perhaps less likely - to harm a child. But that doesn't matter to the extreme right-wing Christians because, frankly, they're fucking insane and delusional.

jmowreader

(50,806 posts)
12. The sexual thing should be a non-issue in the Boy Scouts
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:52 PM
Dec 2013

The Boy Scouts of America have always been against Scouts having sex. I know the Scout Handbook used to tell the membership not even to masturbate, claiming it was contrary to the principles of clean living. So come on: asexual youth are asexual youth regardless of orientation.

Hekate

(92,304 posts)
15. Quite likely the documentation you seek is in old Scout handbooks under the heading Clean Living...
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:22 AM
Dec 2013

... or a similar euphemism. Look back to the 1950s-1960s-1970s.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
21. Jmowreader is correct
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 02:30 AM
Dec 2013

While the exact rules are set at a council level, it's always been the position of the BSA that sexual activity among scouts is incompatible with their ethical requirements. They acknowledge that teens will have sex, but even discussing it is grounds for dismissal. There have been cases where heterosexual Eagle candidates were turned down solely because they were open about their sexual activities. When the BSA announced their policy change toward gay youth, the very same announcement reiterated their standard that ALL scouts refrain from sexual activity of any type.

Hekate

(92,304 posts)
16. This is a victory -- I know people who worked really hard to get this change...
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:50 AM
Dec 2013

... It's not over yet, by any means, as the BSA will eventually allow gay leaders as well, but it is a huge victory nonetheless.

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