Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Omaha Steve

(99,674 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:53 PM Feb 2014

License-reader firm says new law curbs free speech

Source: AP-Excite

By JACK GILLUM

WASHINGTON (AP) - The surveillance industry is fighting back. A company that makes automated license plate readers sued Utah's government Thursday over a new law there intended to protect drivers' privacy.

Digital Recognition Network Inc. of Fort Worth, which makes license-plate readers that rapidly scan the tags of passing vehicles, argues that a new state ban on license-plate scanning by private companies infringes on its free-speech rights to collect and disseminate the information it captures, and has effectively put it out of business there.

The case is an early example of pushback as Congress and state legislatures consider proposals to rein in phone-records collection, drones and license-plate readers. At least 14 states are considering measures that would curb such collections.

Republican state Sen. Todd Weiler, who sponsored the new law, said his proposal gained momentum after legislators discovered police were gathering widespread data from mobile license-plate readers. He said those cameras can be useful, such as recovering stolen cars, but he worried about the privacy implications when organizations store that data indefinitely.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140213/DABUHI9G2.html

21 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
License-reader firm says new law curbs free speech (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2014 OP
Free speech violation? blackspade Feb 2014 #1
I guess a peep hole camera would be a free speech violation too, then!!! WTF grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #2
So by the same logic, I should be able to take secret photographs in public bathrooms, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #3
These guys use the word rights pretty damn lightly. marble falls Feb 2014 #4
Nothing a clear coat of Krylon spray on your plates cannot stop... Earth_First Feb 2014 #5
The paint thing doesn't work. Captain Stern Feb 2014 #12
The better option is to paint the plate reader davidpdx Feb 2014 #21
Myth Busters Episode 73 William Seger Feb 2014 #13
, blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #6
"collect and disseminate the information" Veilex Feb 2014 #7
They'll demand "equal protection" next. jsr Feb 2014 #8
Collecting other peoples information is not "speech" of any sort. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #9
I am not saying that I am for or against this melm00se Feb 2014 #10
I don't drive on toll roads. awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #19
License plates belong to the State, not the driver. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #11
Plates have to be returned to the State? Not in All states. happyslug Feb 2014 #15
So do road signs. Igel Feb 2014 #20
"Corporation have rights, my friend, corporations are people!" They really believe that poop. marble falls Feb 2014 #14
wonder how they'd feel about "free speech" if someone were to hang out in front of their home.. frylock Feb 2014 #16
A binoculars firm could make the same argument KamaAina Feb 2014 #17
Well, you know Aerows Feb 2014 #18

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
3. So by the same logic, I should be able to take secret photographs in public bathrooms,
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:12 PM
Feb 2014

because the law that prevents me from doing so interferes with my "free speech" right to publish such photos on the internet.

I am a big free speech proponent but that is a screwed-up argument.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
5. Nothing a clear coat of Krylon spray on your plates cannot stop...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:35 PM
Feb 2014

Shouldnt have come to this, however you fight the establishment any way you can.

Fuck their $50,000 toys.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
21. The better option is to paint the plate reader
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 06:49 AM
Feb 2014

If it's not up very high. A little red white and blue would work well.

Every time someone drives by they could salute it.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
13. Myth Busters Episode 73
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 10:30 AM
Feb 2014
http://mythbustersresults.com/episode73

They didn't test Krylon, but they did test hair spray and a product that claims to block plate readers: busted.
 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
7. "collect and disseminate the information"
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:42 AM
Feb 2014

does not equate to speech.
Nothing about free speech involves the collection of information.

melm00se

(4,993 posts)
10. I am not saying that I am for or against this
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 09:36 AM
Feb 2014

but do you have an expectation of privacy of the outside of your vehicle while driving on a public road?

Toll barriers that record the license plates of cars to apply tolls to the registered owners of those vehicles are one example of this kind of technology.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. License plates belong to the State, not the driver.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 10:02 AM
Feb 2014

The state issues you a license plate. Its not yours. And they expect you to return it, or to officially transfer it, or to destroy it when you sell your car.

They knew who they issued it to.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
15. Plates have to be returned to the State? Not in All states.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:08 AM
Feb 2014

In some states the plates stay with the Vehicle, in others with the owner when the car is sold. A third group of states demand new plates for the car and turn in the old plates.

No matter what the rule is, the plate is still viewed as the property of the State, just a comment that not all state expects you to return the plate to them.

Igel

(35,323 posts)
20. So do road signs.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 09:04 PM
Feb 2014

If I take a picture of a bunch of road signs and set them up on a website, is that free speech or could they tell me to stop because, well, I'm taking a picture of something that's "not mine."

Or perhaps scenary in a state park.

Or the Capitol.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
16. wonder how they'd feel about "free speech" if someone were to hang out in front of their home..
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:09 PM
Feb 2014

and snap pictures of their family all day?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
18. Well, you know
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:37 PM
Feb 2014

Free market and all of that. If you are in a business that nobody wants, you go out of business, so they should quit pouting and find some other line of work.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»License-reader firm says ...