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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 07:20 PM Feb 2014

Western nations scramble to contain fallout of Ukraine crisis

Source: Guardian

Western governments are scrambling to contain the fallout from Ukraine's weekend revolution, pledging money, support and possible EU membership, while anxiously eyeing the response of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, whose protégé has effectively been ousted.

As the big international loser of the three-month drama's denouement, the Kremlin has the potential to create the most mischief because of Ukraine's closeness, its pro-Russian affinities in the east and south, and the country's dependence on Russian energy supplies.

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Western leaders, while welcoming the unexpected turn of events in Kiev, are worried about the country fracturing into a pro-Russian and pro-western conflict. They are certain to push for a new government that is as inclusive as possible to replace the collapsed and discredited administration of Yanukovych, who vanished within hours of signing EU-mediated settlement terms with opposition leaders on Friday.

Maintaining the fragile country's territorial integrity swiftly emerged as the paramount concern in the west. "France, together with its European partners, calls for the preservation of the country's unity and integrity and for people to refrain from violence," said Laurent Fabius, the French foreign minister, echoing the key western worry that Kiev and western Ukraine could be pitted against the Russophone east and south.


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/ukraine-crisis-western-nations-eu-russia

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another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
4. What they need in Ukraine is a big damn missile defense system . . .
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 09:15 PM
Feb 2014

And about a trillion dollars worth of other American military installations. Halliburton is most likely already on the way.


Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: "Do not march on Moscow".

Bernard Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein


Still, they keep on trying.
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. When has our Military/Industrial complex let such petty concerns deter it?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 10:12 PM
Feb 2014

They need to get involved in at least preparing for another war, and soon. Profits and stock prices are what's at stake here.

Do you think the Republicans in Congress would let something like the chance of starting a World War stop them from coming to the aid of the freedom-loving people of Ukraine when they are so clearly threatened by the Godless, Communist Russian bear? Not if hefty campaign contributions from defense contractors are in play, not on your life!

Could the President afford the political backlash from charges he refused to help the free peoples of Ukraine, and that he didn't do all he could to support, "Our boys in the foxholes!" Recent history suggests he could not.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
9. Well, he did issue a few threats
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 11:05 PM
Feb 2014

to Syria, but he didn't actually send anyone in there. He just got some ships close, and Syria folded and allowed removal of the chemical weapons.
There's not much threatening Obama can do here. Regime change has happened. The Ukranian president stepped down. All Obama can do is to maybe send peacekeeping troops in there. But when's the last time that happened? I haven't heard about peacekeepers since Bosnia.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
13. Our latest foreign military adventures always start . . .
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 08:15 AM
Feb 2014

With protestations by the Pentagon that, "This operation will only involve a small contingent of troops ("boots on the ground&quot and will be of very short duration." We'll always be greeted by showers of flowers, and everything will pay for itself. (sigh)

The Syrian intervention was stillborn not so much because Assad caved, but because the Russians out-maneuvered us diplomatically. Once Sec. Kerry had let it slip that our impending air strikes might be avoided if the Syrians destroyed their chemical weapons, Foreign Minister Lavrov gabbed the fumble and ran it in for a game-winning touchdown.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
10. What, with the CIA calling the Orange Revolution its "Playbook"?
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 03:00 AM
Feb 2014

Nah...

These protesters smell NATO military largesse $$$$$; They want to be the new Poland, with bank accounts humming from new military bases.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
3. I noticed the IMF was quick to start getting its greedy hooks into the new Ukraine.
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 09:05 PM
Feb 2014

If you liked what they did to Greece and Spain, just wait and see what's coming for the working people of Ukraine!

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
11. The IMF had already been asked for help.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:32 AM
Feb 2014

From last year :

IMF LOAN TALKS ON HOLD

Much of the debt is denominated in dollars but must be financed using the local hryvnia currency, which is at a four-year low against the dollar and forecast to lose a further 9 percent in the next six months.

Without international aid, investors fear Ukraine will struggle to repay $7 billion of hard currency debt falling due next year, while it is also dealing with a balance of payments deficit and unpaid gas bills from Russia.

In its efforts to find a solution to the rapidly escalating crisis, the EU has also explored whether it could bring forward financing that would have gone to Ukraine over the coming seven years as part of its association agreement.

Any advances would only happen if Ukraine signs the deal, and the current amount available - the 610 million euros - is in any case conditional on Ukraine securing an IMF agreement.

The IMF wants Ukraine to introduce more exchange rate flexibility - effectively allowing the currency to devalue - and remove subsidies from domestic gas supplies, but Kiev has refused.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/11/eu-ukraine-idUSL6N0JQ26X20131211

After that the December talks EU / Ukraine talks occurred and the EU actually offered $1 billion which Ukraine refused as not making economic sense.

Ukraine could make Greece and Spain look like picnics on a sunny afternoon.

Later news here : Ukraine hoping for $35 billion in financial assistance

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014736834

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
12. Of course they asked!
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 08:02 AM
Feb 2014

How else can they expect to find any dollars to embezzle and squirrel away in their secret bank accounts? The people now running Kiev know the script they're supposed to follow, and who their sugar daddy is going to be from now on.

fedsron2us

(2,863 posts)
6. Let us hope they make a better job of it than during Ukraine's economic meltdown in 2009 ?
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 10:09 PM
Feb 2014

The 'solutions' to that crisis being offered by the IMF and other western institutions was the prime reason for Yanukovych's election in 2010. The US and EU have tended to be long on talk and short on supplying hard cash if the past us any guide. If the average Ukrainian wants to know what is in store for them then they need look no further than Greece. My guess is when the 'economic reforms' kick into action it will not be long before the crowds are back on the streets again.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
8. With austerity and trade treaties offering little or no help for Ukrainian production . . .
Sun Feb 23, 2014, 10:32 PM
Feb 2014

The barricades back in Maidan Square could soon follow.

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