TN Senate votes for open gun carry without permit

[Jgarrick]

Source: WRCBtv

NASHVILLE, TN (AP) - The state Senate has passed a bill to allow Tennesseans to openly carry guns without a state-issued permit. The chamber voted 25-2 in favor of the bill sponsored by Republican Sen. Mae Beavers of Mt. Juliet.

Beavers said the measure would keep the background checks and training requirements in order to carry concealed firearms, but would allow anyone legally allowed to own a gun to carry it openly.

The bill would also remove state restrictions on the location of ammunition when firearms are being transported in vehicles, and would allow guns to be removed from cars on school property for the purposes of moving storing them in another part of the vehicle.

The companion bill is awaiting a vote in the budget subcommittee of the House Finance Committee.


Read more: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/25194227/tn-senate-votes-for-open-gun-carry-without-permit

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Kudos to the Democrats who voted for this.

[pipoman]

1. IBTL

[mikeysnot]

2. Well at least the gun nuts can come out of the closet in

this fucked up state...

[mac56]

3. Sincere question: Please explain this to me.

For concealed carry, background checks and training are required?

But for open carry, no requirement, anyone who owns a gun can do so?

I'm not following.

[Jgarrick]

5. As I understand it, there is no background check required for the purchase of a firearm in TN.

For concealed carry, background checks and training are required?

But for open carry, no requirement, anyone who owns a gun can do so?

Correct. There are now a few states such as Alaska and Vermont (and a few others) which have "Constutional Carry"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Carry

Let's hope the trend continues!

[mac56]

7. Sincere question part two:

Then why would anyone bother with concealed carry?

[Jgarrick]

11. To avoid being harrassed by the police.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Initiative.

I always prefer to de-escalate a situation if I can. If some cretin sees a gun on my hip, while they are doing whatever miscreants do, that might exacerbate the situation, rather than allow me to defuse it.

[pipoman]

10. That would be wrong. ..

There is a bg check on all purchases in the US from any firearms dealer...maybe not if buying from a private seller..

[Jgarrick]

12. Fair point. I was speaking of state law, not federal.

[upaloopa]

14. If you mean continue the trend of states

Having everyone who owns a gun to openly carry it, let's don't
As a matter of fact, lets repeal the Second Amendment.
This shit is getting way out of hand.
A bunch of paranoid gun freaks have the country by the ass.

[Jgarrick]

22. To repeal the 2nd Amendment, all you need to do is:

Get a supermajority (2/3rds) of both the Senate and the House to approve it, and then get 38 out of 50 states to ratify it.

Easy-peasy! I presume you'll get right on it...be sure to keep us updated on your progress!

[upaloopa]

25. You have your fantasies I have mine

[Historic NY]

35. Who determines who is a law abiding citizen or is

legally entitled to carry if there aren't any checks or permits.

[arcane1]

46. White people determine who. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Depends on the state.

In Washington we have no training requirement. But we do a full background check. Not the instant check phone call, but local police, state and FBI records and my prints are sent to the FBI to see if I'm a suspect in anything.

Many states vary. Some have training requirements, one state has no requirements at all, including no requirement to have a license at all.


Not all states are open carry. Washington is, but you can't carry in a bar, the secured area of a jail, and a couple other exceptions.

[Jgarrick]

9. It hasn't resulted in it yet.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States

Why should TN be any different?

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Is Washington State the Wild West?

[TheCowsCameHome]

26. What does that mean?

just curious.

[AtheistCrusader]

28. Washington has open carry.

It's not really been a problem.

[onehandle]

6. So glad I left the South. nt

[abelenkpe]

8. Same here nt

[Plucketeer]

13. This is good

I see great potential for elimination of a fair chunk of this state's gene pool.

[Webfootedcretin]

29. We eugenics now?

We eugenics now?
Not likely.

[MineralMan]

34. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

How can we be "eugenics?" That makes no sense. Can you elaborate?

[ManiacJoe]

15. Open carry without a permit is common for most of the USA.

[SevenSixtyTwo]

16. Even in open carry states,

it's very rare to see someone carrying openly. I prefer concealed as do most.

[global1]

17. Well Now - That's Responsible (sarcasm)......nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. I eagerly await the first pictures.

I wonder if they'll confirm my suspicions.

[ballyhoo]

23. If it goes into law, it will save a lot of lives. Last time I was in Knoxville

visiting my brother, it seemed like everyone was carrying a gun. Some were even carrying bow and arrows. We shot the guns behind my brother's house. Just bottles. Someone had a elephant gun but I declined to shoot that.

[otohara]

24. One More State to Avoid At All Costs

I wouldn't visit Afghanistan or Somalia either.

I wish my kid didn't have to go to these states where grown men feel the need to prance around with guns.

[Jgarrick]

27. I presume, then, that you're already avoiding the following states at all costs:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Idaho, Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, and Wyoming. They all have open carry.

The following states allow open carry with a license: Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee (soon to move the above list!), and Utah. Better avoid them as well, just to be safe.

Gee...that doesn't leave that many states for you to visit, does it?

For your convenience, here's a map showing all the states that you must, as per your words, avoid at all costs:



If you ever plan on driving coast-to-coast, that will make your drive a bit, well...difficult, to say the least!

[ballyhoo]

30. A perp will think twice about raping some poor woman if she

reaches down for her Glock 27. That's the way I look at it. I knew this was going to happen. There will never be an open carry law in California, but they seem to be loosening up on ownership laws. I had to take a test and wait a month for a DOJ check. I think only one person on my street doesn't have a gun now. And he's a preacher. Well, those people in those states can start breathing a sign of relief. A drone may take them down, but won't a drunken kid with a Bowie knife. They can bring back horses and stuff, be okay with me.

[Jgarrick]

32. You have to live with California gun laws?

My sincere condolences.

[otohara]

36. Not If He Has One

There's been a handful of women who successfully shot their would be rapist.

Meanwhile 94% of women who die by the gun are from their husbands, boyfriends, significant other.

And then there's members of our whacked out police - lots of women get raped by cops.

[ballyhoo]

37. I know all that, but men don't usually rape at

gunpoint, from what I've heard. And even if he has a gun, it would even the sides. Not going to be possible to talk with you about guns. You will keep coming back with already known arguments. I tried all this peace and no guns stuff. I want to try the other way now. Plus, I feel--base on our government--it is time for us to be armed. When this year is over you may not feel the way you do now.

[kelliekat44]

61. Except the perp will already have his gun drawn. nt

[ballyhoo]

62. Unless you're speaking metaphorically, I suggest you check this out.

Go down to use of weapons, and multiply the known and unknown assailants times the respective percentages that involved a gun. Notice how knives are used more than guns. Why is this? Well, presumably, the rapist doesn't want to accidentally shoot himself while he is raping. So, moving forward under open carry: the rapist doesn't want to shoot himself or be shot by his victim. Hence, a decrease in rapes. And if a couple of rapists get killed, oh well... It is getting down to self-preservation.

http://www.nmcsap.org/statistics.html

[otohara]

33. I Stay In My Liberal City Where

open carry is illegal and my state passed a couple minor laws for background checks and limits on magazine clips.

Are you happy two Democrats lost their jobs over that?

One of our districts voted to allow open carry, then the reasonable people submitted a petition in record time to bring it to a vote in November. If it passes, I will never go to their outlet stores again. Which was something we used to enjoy, it's a beautiful drive and the deals are good.

Like I say, I don't ever want to see grown men prance around with their guns intimidating the rest of us just to be dicks, divide us even more and score political points with gun crowd.

[secondvariety]

31. I'd love to see

concealed carry banned. I like to know what screwballs are armed. And yes, if someone feels the need to carry a shootin' iron at all times, they're a screwball.

[hack89]

38. The "screwballs" will simply carry illegally

If your state was to ban concealed carry all you would have to worry about is the criminals carrying illegally. Do you really think you will be safer?

[secondvariety]

42. If concealed

carry was illegal (fat chance of that ever happening in Florida), the lowlifes would be strutting their stuff out in the open along with all the other self professed tough guys. The only reason the POS legislature in Tallahassee hasn't passed an open carry law is the Chamber of Commerce would flip out. Don't want to scare off the tourists with a bunch of gun totin' yahoos, don't ya know.

[hack89]

43. Concealed carry will soon be legal in every state

it is not a Florida issue. It is not an issue - as concealed carry has increased, there has been no corresponding increase in gun deaths.

[secondvariety]

47. I don't know if

that's true or not but that's not the point. There HAS been an increase of gun toters (generally old men and Casper Milquetoast types) starting shit and suddenly finding they "fear for their life" and shooting unarmed people.

Since America has obviously lost the battle on any type gun control, at least make concealed carry illegal so the less paranoid of us know who to avoid.

[hack89]

48. Really? You can back up that statement with real facts

and not anecdotes? A link would be appreciated.

[secondvariety]

65. Here.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-stand-your-ground-law-yields-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/stand-your-ground-cases_n_3606405.html

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/26/3332391/trayvon-martin-years/

http://nation.time.com/2014/02/03/stand-your-ground-michael-dunn-jordan-davis-killing-loud-music/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/bail-hearing-resumes-this-morning-in-movie-theater-shooting/2164575

Do you honestly think that fat troll Zimmerman would have confronted Trayvon Martin if he hadn't had his shootin' iron in his pocket? Do you think that coward Dunn would have confronted a car full of teenagers without his precious? Do you really think that POS Reeves would have started a fight with a man half his age and twice his size if not for his little gun? No, they would have slunked away and gotten on with their miserable lives.

[hack89]

66. You were supposed to prove an increase in such incidents

would you like to try again?

[secondvariety]

67. Now you're

just arguing for it's own sake. I'll dumb it down for ya- Zimmerman's, Dunn's and Reeves' victims would most probably still be alive if said pipsqueak "law abiding gun owners" hadn't shot them in cold blood.

[hack89]

69. No - you are moving your own goal posts

you said that there was an increase in such incidents. Your words. Why don't you own what you say and prove it?


Let me give you a hand - FBI crime stats show a steady decrease in violent gun deaths over the past 20 years. We have cut our murder and manslaughter rate in half. Do you have hard evidence that this trend has reversed and the murder rate has gone up?

Simple question. Do you have simple answer?

[Jgarrick]

50. Make concealed carry illegal? History isn't on your side.

[ballyhoo]

63. I don't think so, but you may be right. With

US morals now turned on its head, people will now dispense with right from wrong and head towards that which is safest for them. God and extenuating circumstances be damned.

[ballyhoo]

44. I've been to Tampa many times. Tampa should have

an open-carry law, but based on what you said, I finally understood why they don't.

[onehandle]

39. Well, guns are the new glory suit. nt

[hack89]

45. So gun ownership = KKK membership? Really? nt

[Hoyt]

55. With a few exceptions, that's an accurate characterization.

[hack89]

60. So all pro-gun Dems are racists?

Including me?

[IrishAle]

40. As a lifelong citizen of Tennessee...

... I have never been such a pansy that I needed a firearm to visit the grocery store.

[doc03]

41. What is wrong with this country anymore? Why do so many people

feel like they need to be armed at all times? What brought that on, fifty years ago
nobody felt the need for concealed carry and even though I don't think open carry has ever been outlawed in Ohio I never saw anyone carrying a gun until maybe two years ago. The ones I have seen carrying a open carry weapon seemed to be suffering from the short guy syndrome. What seems strange to me the more the crime rate drops the more paranoid people become. All I can figure is with the MSM today people hear about crimes nationwide where it only got local attention before most of the time.

[arcane1]

49. Television is a 24-hour fear-fest that scares the shit out of them.

That's my guess. I don't have a tv, I live in a city with strict gun laws, and I'm not afraid to walk around at night. There are neighborhoods I would avoid but I would avoid them if I was armed too. A gun in my pocket is no help when someone whacks you over the back of the head, after all.

[ballyhoo]

64. Fifty years ago we actually were a country. We

are now a Fascist Police State run by Oligarchs. When you ask people about this, they won't use these descriptions, but they are saying about the same. Since the takeover my wife and I no longer attend church ( I mean its all just a Betty Bowers God anyway); we don't watch television or take a newspaper(for the reasons you state); we don't go out at night for walks (too many weirdos walking around); we have bought steel security doors and windows for the entire house; we meet with the neighbors secretly at random times (don't want the NSA there); we take vacations only to places deemed SAFE by the AAA, if not necessarily interesting;...

Life is really grand in America since 9-11: bin laden and/or the false flag has succeeded beyond their wildest imagination. When the drone finally hits my house I wonder will I be sad or relieved as I lay there drowning in my own blood.

[Skeeter Barnes]

51. Under the new law, a woman being stalked would be able to legally carry while waiting for the

CCW process to be completed. I've heard of the TN concealed permit taking a month or more to be processed. If someone is being targeted by a stalker, they need protection now, not whenever they get around to telling you it's OK to carry it.

I am glad to hear they are changing the law concerning ammo inside the vehicle as well.

[Hoyt]

58. True, and the Zimmermans of the world can walk around and intimidate innocent people.

[Hoyt]

52. Right wing inbreds and gunz, what a combination.

[Munificence]

53. So I am assuming

that you think all people in Tennessee are inbred? You need to get out more.

I've been to 17 different countries, to at least 40 states within the U.S and I think Tennessee is about as good as it gets.

As a matter of fact, the town I live in (Brentwood a Suburb of Nashville), was in 2010 the wealthiest town in the U.S based on cost of living. Our average family income is around $160K a year. Our average home sale price is around $770K. The public school system my kids attend is ranked 152 in the nation with all schools (private and public) being considered. Our college graduation rate based on our population (30K residents) in my town is around 80% of all adults have a 4 year degree.

The only thing I can note in all of my travels in regards to the area I live in Tennessee is the fact that my observations I live among the best looking, most fit, well mannered population in the world. Even friends that come from out of state to visit can't get over how many absolutely stunning looking people live here and how safe this area is....you don't get that from inbreeding. Hell we don't even have to worry about locking our doors at night, even leave our car keys in our vehicles in our driveway.

I've lived all over, even in Europe for awhile, was raised in Ohio and can honestly say that I have never witnessed any inbreeding, except for maybe in our cities...maybe that's why most of our cities such as yours or Detroit are in such bad shape?

Again, quit being so shallow, you are neglecting yourself. Is it because you never get the chance to get out much? And please do tell where you are from.

[Hoyt]

54. Ever been to Fayetteville or rural areas? Shoot Nashville thrives on pandering to white

wing bigots. Surely, you get that.

Some exceptions, but white wing rules there.

[Munificence]

56. and the subject is

not about pandering, the subject is about you labeling Tennessee folks as being painted with all being inbred within the broad brush you painted with.

South bashing runs rampant here. Not that Tennessee is really a "southern state", but close enough.

[Hoyt]

57. Subject is right wing legislators pandering to gun fancying yahoos.

[Munificence]

59. So why use the inbred angle?

[Ash_F]

68. Yehaw /nt