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[hollowdweller]

1. Wow just like the Baptists!

[Kelvin Mace]

2. Why does this letter smell

to high heavens?

It seems a plot device in a very bad right-wing religious movie.

[AngryAmish]

10. There is a worldwide plot by the Gulen Movement to take over schools (including US charter schools)

The Gulen Movement is a semi-secret society from Turkey that rose to power through education. Many decades ago they started some cram schools to both get funding and to create followers. It worked. Now there are Gulen followers in the highest level of Turkish society, most importantly among the secret police, regular police and judiciary. They worked to put the current Turkish PM, Erdogan, into office but there has been a falling out. Now Erdogan and Gulen are at war with each other and the secret police have been leaking telephone conversations regarding corruption from Eragon and his family. There have been arrests of Erdogan supporters for corruption (they are corrupt but that is besides the point.) Erdogan fired the police and prosecutors and the whole thing is on a razors edge.

The Gulen Movement is a worldwide movement. Did you know they are they run the most charter schools in the US of any organization? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/largest-charter-network-in-us-schools-tied-to-turkey/2012/03/23/gIQAoaFzcS_blog.html These schools always end up with a lot of Turkish men teaching there. Plus they only do business (supplies, repairs) with fellow Gulenist contractors.

I wonder if something similar is happening in Birmingham but the UK press won't name the Gulen Movement for fear of libel or retaliation.

It sounds convoluted but it is real. Turkey is Byzantium, and politics there is Byzantine. The modern Turkish state came about from a secret society run from Masonic Lodges (and I am not one of those folks who think the Masons are taking over the world. They are not. But it is there where the Young Turks found followers at the time.)

[OKNancy]

4. something isn't right about this yahoo article

via AFP... this was reported long ago..

[Bosonic]

5. It's also in today's UK Guardian

Twenty-five Birmingham schools inspected over Islamist 'takeover plot'

Twenty-five schools in Birmingham are now under investigation following 200 complaints received by the council in relation to allegations of Islamist "takeovers", according to the leader of the city council.

Sir Albert Bore detailed the investigations as he announced the appointment of a new chief adviser to deal exclusively with the fallout from Operation Trojan Horse – a dossier claiming to reveal a plot to "overthrow" teachers and governors in secular state schools in the city and run them on strict Islamic principles.

Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood said 20 headteachers in his Perry Barr constituency alone – "virtually all Muslim heads" – had raised concerns about potential plots.

Despite fears the Trojan Horse document was a hoax, Mahmood said he'd been made aware of similar allegations over the past 12 years and that he was confident there had been concerted attempts to take over Birmingham schools by Islamic fundamentalists from the Wahabi or Salafi sect.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/14/birmingham-schools-investigated-over-islamist-takeover-allegations

[7962]

6. If you think its a joke, go to Paris. The Paris police wont even go to some areas.

Because muslims have taken over. While its hard for us here on DU to think about this type of stuff, ignoring it wont make it go away. Europe has a major problem on its hands and they're going to HAVE to deal with it. And we're not immune here in the US either.

[cosmicone]

7. +1,000,000

In most of the places, Islam cannot coexist because coexisting is against the prophet's teachings. It is a religion designed to dominate and force its doctrine on others. (Not unlike Christians of the past ages but Christians have mostly mellowed on coexistence)

[Lasher]

9. I thought immigrants were supposed to assimilate.

This is not a very good way to thank Europeans for their benevolence.

[7962]

14. Thats what our ancestors did back in the day. And thats what made this country work.

My moms parents were off the boat. They met here at some point and married. My mother said they were told as children that when they were in public, you speak English. We are Americans now. We can speak Italian at home. My grandfather even served in the US Army in WW1. When I was growing up, my dad was in the Air Force. When we lived in Germany, I was taught German when I went to school. Tried to use it when I was out as best I could.
There's big trouble coming for a lot of countries in Europe; no guarantee its not going to happen here. We already see that movie about the abuse of women in Islamic society being tossed from universities because of pressure from Islamic groups.

[7962]

15. Its ignorance to ignore facts. Welcome to DU. We'll see how long you last.

[840high]

11. This is true. I have

a friend in Paris.

[packman]

16. Seems like just recently

A group out West in the US, decided they weren't going to abide by the law of the land also and forced out some gov. agents trying to enforce collection of taxes owed.

[packman]

18. An analogy, No-

just an observation that , in your own words, stinks of a harbinger of a coup d'etat on a local level. Backing down from armed idiots who are waving flags and guns seems to be the prelude to a movement that doesn't want the established and legitimate goverment in their lives and setting up their own rules and laws.

[uppityperson]

21. Wtf. All cities have areas where gangs rule and police are reluctant to go. But to say

they avoid areas that are Muslim is flat out wrong. They may avoid places with gang activity but not because "muslims have taken over".

[msongs]

19. the world's 2 dominant religions are a curse on the human race nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

20. That's a silly thing to say.

My elderly mother is a nice Episcopalian lady. Her life, and that of her friends, revolves around their various churches. She just got back from an inter-faith soup lunch with the Congregationalists. They weren't off oppressing anybody.

I'm not a religious person, or even a believer.

But religion and church play a big role in many people's lives--and not necessarily a negative one.

[uppityperson]

22. extremism is the problem. nt