Wisconsin Republicans To Vote On Secession

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Source: Huffington Post

Wisconsin Republicans will vote next month on whether they support allowing the state to secede from the United States of America.

Last month, one of the Republican caucuses in the state passed a resolution asserting the state's right to secede.

According to Daniel Bice at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, many top officials had hoped that resolution would be killed at the party's Resolutions Committee meeting on April 5. Instead, the committee adopted it, meaning it will now get an up-or-down vote at the Wisconsin GOP convention, which is taking place in Milwaukee May 2-4.

Ian Millhiser of ThinkProgress noted the strange turn the conservative movement has taken with these calls for secession, with "no shortage of irony to the Party of Lincoln now morphing into the Party of Secession."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/wisconsin-secession_n_5147443.html

[SummerSnow]

1. Get the popcorn

Be careful what you wish for

[AAO]

9. Got mine.

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[roguevalley]

2. I love the smell of treason in the morning.

[24601]

15. Lincoln refrained from describing the rebels with the T-word, even after they took up arms against

the U.S.

My fuzzy recollection is that SCOTUS decided (with a post-civil war opinion) that unilateral succession is not constitutional, Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869).

By extension, succession is hypothetically possible, but the process remains undefined. Likely, it would require essentially reversing the process for statehood and Congressional concurrence would be necessary.

Treason on the other hand is defined precisely in the Constitution, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

A vote, even one to declare war, falls far short of actually levying war. And in the absence of a Congressional Declaration of War, there would be a shortage of enemies to aid & comfort.

[roguevalley]

16. legalistically, probably true. However, I feel treason sort of describes the contempt I feel for

this.

[24601]

17. So it's probably a good thing that the Constitution sets a high bar for treason. If it was left to

your feeling on Monday, whose feeling would we follow on Tuesday?

[roguevalley]

19. is it now against the law to have feelings?

sheesh.

[24601]

20. Not in the least. But translating those feelings into state action wouldn't be constitutional.

Treason also has an interesting history. John Brown was executed for Treason after the Harper's Ferry raid. But it was for Treason against Virginia, not the United States. I believe today that a state treason charge would be meaningless.

"Yep, we are hanging old Freddy after he was caught spying on Texas for Utah."

[chuckstevens]

3. Two Ideas for a Name

A. Cheeselandia
B. Bratslavia

Ideas?

[Mr.Bill]

4. Well, bless their hearts.

I hope every single one of them votes for it.

[jaysunb]

10. me too :) n/t

[agbdf]

5. Some of the news these days reminds of the late 1850s

The Civil War established once and for all that states don't have the right to secede from the The U.S.

Yet, strangely, part of me occasionally thinks fine: let the Idahos, Utah's and Wyoming's secede. Let's see how well they do economically without the infusion of substantial tax dollars from wealthy blue states.

[madinmaryland]

6. FUCKING "SHERMANIZE" THE DOUCHEBAG TRAITORS!!!

[Auggie]

7. Such childish behavior

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. duplicate

of http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014779782

[Thinkingabout]

11. If Wisconsin is succesful in secession does this prevent Scott Walker from running

For the President of the US? Also, does their secession void the defense contracts in their state. I know there are some fine people in Wisconsin, they just happen to be Democrats.

[muntrv]

12. Go ahead and secede. Just don't look to us for help

If China invades you.

[kardonb]

13. China

they don't need to invade them at all , just buy them , since repugs love $$ above all else .

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Wisconsin will never actually secede, of course, but

I wonder how much of a westbound stampede would jam up I-94 if it actually did?

[Half-Century Man]

18. Wisconsin, we put the "fun" in dysfunctional.

Our governor is a Koch whore.

Our ex Senate Majority Leader Bill Kramer is facing 80 years of prison on charges of verbal and physical sexual harassment; sexual assault in the second degree.

Wisconsin Senate President State Senator Mike Ellis is quitting after bragging like a drunken goober about illegal campaign manipulations he planned to do. Caught on hidden camera, he slinks back home after this term.

Wisconsin State Sen. Leah Vukmir is a member ALEC’s Board of Directors serving as national treasurer. She has rebuked a Freedom of information request on the grounds of secrecy during an ongoing session of the legislature. Her accomplice after the fact is Wisconsin Attorney General Van Hollen, who is citing an old provision in the state constitution giving limited immunity “during the session of the legislature". The length of a session has grown from a couple months each year to never ending.

State Representative Joel Kleefisch allowed/worked with/or something a rich donor to write legislation favoring him in a child support case. State campaign finance reports show Michael Eisenga donated the maximum amount to Kleefisch allowed by state campaign finance law. As well as, has made large donations to both Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch (wife of Rep Kleefisch) and Governor Scott Walker.

On Edit: the featured members of our government, republicans all.

And now we might declare our Independence from sanity by seceding from the union.

[Ned Fenwick]

21. A theory on these rather eccentric GOP gyrations

This has got to be a required rite of reaffirmation of their fealty to the Mr. Potter brothers. These people are not crazy, I think they have to periodically jump through these hoops to prove their devotion to the Bros., or face the prospect of getting primaried by some "patriot" in Supp-hose & a 3-corner hat, with a misspelled sign and 8-figures of dark campaign money. Lincoln would be ass-kicking mad.

[William769]

22. Locking.

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