Putin Human Rights Council Accidentally Posts REAL Crimean Elec Result-Only 15% Voted For Annexation
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Source: Forbes
Putin's Human Rights Council Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results; Only 15% Voted For Annexation
The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.
The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers).
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To make sure no one misses this:
Official Kremlin results: 97% for annexation, turnout 83 percent, and percent of Crimeans voting in favor 82%.
President’s Human Rights Council results: 50% for annexation, turnout 30%, percent of Crimeans voting in favor 15%.
Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/
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Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Sounds like somebody on the human better pack his bags.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I have always found the belief in the figures supplied for this vote by Moscow to bring a touch of humor to the whole affair. Especially when watching people certain elections here in the U.S. are fixed and inaccurately reported wholesale doing so.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)So much for the 'Crimean democracy' meme....
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Bookmarking for future use.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)that these numbers are an NSA or CIA plot. 'Cause they found a blog that links to another blog that links to an interview in RT where a "Ukrainian" totally saw them do it.
Billy Budd
(310 posts)I respect R Reich opinions and he thinks poorly of both Paul Roderick Gregory and Forbes...to me that is important
I would also like to remind all that Saddam's troops were supposed to have been tossing Kuwaiti babies off incubators to loot the incubators...how did that work out ? is there even a CIA or NSA at all ?
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levp
(188 posts)
From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Billy Budd
(310 posts)I cannot directly read its in a language I do not read/speak...this is supposed to be an unassailable source? how come ? your screen shots lead nowhere...even if they did so what ...no one can create a screen shot ?
levp
(188 posts)Billy Budd
(310 posts)you post is 100 % blank as in totally
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
This is not very convincing to me ...seems like an "Iraq incubator vandal story" or maybe a Pat Tillman special ...I do not find any of it unassailable...It just seems to much like the pretexts we used to launch an illegal attack on Iraq..its like what four link fail to screen shots and a text I cannot read..
levp
(188 posts)on the Presidential Council's website and use Google Translate from there.
Unless Google is on it, too...
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)was successful from my smartphone.
levp
(188 posts)with the link.
I didn't know that image links do not need "link" button wrapper (just a straight paste is enough). I went back and fixed my (now multiple) screenshot posts...
Learn something new every day!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)the sheer nonsense that is being spewed on here.
Cha
(319,163 posts)So much trying to suppress news here... my my what are they 
of?
arendt
(5,078 posts)I googled him and he turned up ONCE, for this other extremely "inside the village" bullshit editorial claiming that the sequester wasn't really cutting anything:
Op/Ed 2/19/2013 @ 8:54AM 16,835 views
The $995 billion Sequester Cut Is Actually a $110 Billion Spending Increase
Do you people recognize propaganda when you read it? WhoTF is this nobody? He is not a foreign correpsondent. He writes an op ed, every once in a while, for a right wing business magazine. And he has uncovered this breathless scoop? Give me a break.
Where is the corroboration? Oh, right, it was all a big mistake on the part of the "Russian Human Rights Council". And, of course, the fool who did it is now supposedly headed to the Gulag.
Untracable, seemless BULLSHIT.
Have you people got anything better to do than pass along this kind of unsubstantiated crapola?
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)
zeemike
(18,998 posts)He goes back to Lee Harvey Oswald...it was his father that got Oswald a lot of help and Paul his son, often visited the Oswald's at their home...
Some interesting read of his testimony in Dallas...
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/grego_pr.htm
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)stories. Looks like a media hit man. I'm going to read your link. Thanks.
arendt
(5,078 posts)I already believe none of the propaganda from either side in this mess; but is a character from the JFK era turns up, its time to call Peter Dale Scott.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And his father was instrumental in helping Oswald along with his friend George Bouhe
They knew Oswald well.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)to observe the so-called referendum? I'm certain whoever wrote this article character is impeccable.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The person pictured at the link is not the author.
The author is a Ms. Halya Coynash, of the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group.
The Guardian reported the presence of Enrique Revello, the person pictured....
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/ukraine-crisis-crimea-referendum
"State news agency Interfax quoted an international observer, Enrique Ravello, as saying he had seen an 'unprecedented turnout'. There's no coercion, pressure on people. The referendum is being held peacefully, freely and openly,' said the Spanish nationalist MP.
"No major international organisations are monitoring the vote, but a group of observers from 23 countries – a mixture of anti-western ideologues and European far-right politicians – have arrived of their own accord and gave a press conference in Simferopol on Saturday evening.
Belá Kovács, an MEP from the far-right Hungarian party Jobbik, said everything he had seen on Saturday conformed to international standards and he expected the vote to be free and fair.
Many of the observers railed against the west and said that by recognising Kosovo, the west had opened a Pandora's box and had to accept the result in Crimea.
"What is sauce for Kosovo's goose is certainly sauce for Crimea's gander," said Serbian-American writer Serge Trifkovic. When asked if observers had been paid to attend, he said that if he were looking for money he would have approached the CIA. The observers, he said, were "as poor as church mice".
Kovács said there were no British observers at the referendum. The BNP's Nick Griffin "really wanted to come, but we persuaded him not to", he said."
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)yourself.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)that's what you want us to believe.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)ostensibly want what is best for the West and the Banking Cartels.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The link should go to a machine translation. Here, from a good ways down, is what it shows concerning the election:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed: - the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), in Crimea on different According to join Russia 50-60% of voters voted for a total turnout of 30-50% - Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, 'corruption and lawlessness thieves dominance Donetsk henchmen.' Inhabitants of Sevastopol to vote for annexation to Russia. Fears illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Machine translations can be whimsical, but what this seems to say is that Sevastopol had a higher turnout than the rest; that total turnout ran somewhere between thirty to fifty percent, of which fifty to sixty percent voted to join Russia.
If someone who can read and translate properly comes along, I would be happy for a more correct text than this, certainly.
arendt
(5,078 posts)Can you please explain the large discrepancy - inside the same thread on the same news item?
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)If turn-out ran between 30% and 50%, and pro-annexation votes ran about 50% to 60%, then the number voting for annexation would be between 15% and 30% of eligible voters. Being a man trying to make a point, the writer took the low range rather than the higher. He gilded his lily, as even the high range is very far from the publicly proclaimed figures, and cannot be said to be demonstrate majority support for annexation.
arendt
(5,078 posts)Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)It is the portion of the populace, whether registered or eligible is unclear, but I chose eligible as the safest standard, since I have no idea what portion of people are actually registered, or however they handle the matter there.
It is quite true that a shockingly low portion of the voting age public turns out to vote here. In Presidential years, registration runs about three quarters of eligible voters, and between two thirds and three quarters of these will actually vote, so the total voting public is on average about 55% percent of those eligible. And people do take that as occasion to argue that any given President actually got the votes of between a quarter and a third of the adult populace.
There are two points, though, where the Crimea situation differs significantly.
First, the officially claimed and publicized figures for the Crimea referendum claimed a much greater turn-out, and claimed a far more one-sided tally. The officially reported figures for turn-out and tally here do not contain such gross distortions --- while there may be a bit of skull-duggery at times, if an election official here, or in most countries in Europe or South America, reports a number it can be taken as correct. That does not seem true for the Crimea figures.
Second, in our elections, there is no reason to suspect the views of people who do not bother voting differ greatly from the views of those who do vote. It is possible the 'non-voter bloc' would break more towards the Democrats than otherwise, but not by a great margin. In a situation where a vote is held within days of an invasion, where armed men and checkpoints will be encountered, there is reason to suspect people who stay away from the polls may well have different views than those who go to the polls, and stay away either as a boycott, or out of fear a vote against the men with the guns might prove dangerous.
arendt
(5,078 posts)in our elections, there is no reason to suspect the views of people who do not bother voting differ greatly from the views of those who do vote.
Right, that's why no one cares about voter suppression in the US, or right wing guys standing around poliing sites threatening people.
LOL.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)While turning up your nose at election figures reported here.
You leave out much of my comment, which continued on to say that non-voters would probably break somewhat towards the Democrats, but not by a great margin. I would rate the break at perhaps 52/48; worth having, certainly, but not decisive unless things were close.
Voter suppression is a black art, and is aimed at selected constituencies. Suppressing the African American vote, for instance, will certainly work in favor of Republicans. But the total bloc of non-voters is spread over every demographic and regional category. Much of campaigning is trying to increase percentage of turn-out in favorable constituencies, and depress it in unfavorable ones. Neither party really wants to turn out everyone. at least not as the thing is presently done here.
arendt
(5,078 posts)the Eastern Ukraine is at each others throats, where the claim is that the majority perhaps 60% is pro-Russian;
but the Crimea, which according to you is supposedly 85% anti-Russian, is meekly sitting there not protesting - when the Russian troops on the ground there would be such easy targets for a provocation? But there has not been one provocation in Crimea since the time since the election. Every last Crimean is absolutely terrified of the Russians? Not one right wing nutbag there would go out and shoot a Russian for the glory of Bandera?
The numbers simply do not pass the test of common sense, given the situation on the ground in Crimea.
Plus, these really, really evil Russian guys are sooo clever, EXCEPT they are sooooooo stupid as to put this data anywhere near an official website. If these numbers were true, they would have been written only on the typewriters that the Russians have been buying and, then, locked in a safe somewhere far from the internet. Its as if Karl Rove kept the 2004 Ohio election results on the GOP website and accidentally put them on line on Innauguration Day. Un-believable.
You want the Russians to be brilliant and brain dead at the same time, as it suits the neocon party line.
The whole thing is an absurd concoction. Right down there with "a Nigerian prince has left you $10 M. All you have to do to collect it..."
Yeah, yeah, its on a website in Russia. Well, gee, as I recall, the FBI got hacked a while back; and Eastern Europe is a hotbed of hackers. But you go believe this, if it gives you a righteous anger high.
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Meanwhile, just today, the SCOTUS just declared the US to be a military dictatorship (Chris Hedges NDAA decision), and destroyed the first amendment barrier between Church and State; an NYC judge threw an Occupy protestor in jail for seven years on a felony count for having a reflex reaction to being pawed by the NYPD. In other news, we refuse to spend on infrastructure; we are demolishing public education and the post office; and we refuse to arrest gangs of right wing thugs openly threatening Federal officers.
But your highest priority is to regurgitate the latest propaganda designed to restart the Cold War for the profit of the MIC, with a side order of "security threat" for the homeland(sic). Always money for the MIC. Never money for the 99%.
I continue to be gobsmacked at the resurgent Red-scare and cheerleading for war (this would be our sixth involvement in 13 years) on display at DU.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)
Give me a break. What Red Scare? There are people here cheering for an illegal war of aggression, but they sure as hell aren't the ones siding against Putin.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Shows sentiment for seceeding from Ukraine and joining Russia running between a fifth and a quarter over-all, somewhat higher in cities. a
All I have said is that reported numbers falling far short of the huge turn-out and overwhelmingly one-sided tally claimed publicly seem much more reasonable. I have not said anything like '85% of Crimea is anti-Russia'. I expect if a free and honest election had been held, return to Russia might well have carried. Indeed, providing it goes no further, I consider the annexation of Crimea acceptable; not good, but something that can be lived with. It does not surprise me at all that no one has taken shots at Russian soldiery, and wonder what you imagine the world and people to be that you think people go out and shoot at soldiers because that would be 'an easy provocation'.
Sensible people keep their heads down, and most people are sensible.
I continue to be amused at watching some on the left slide back into Cold War attitudes and produce screeds worthy of Workers' Vanguard and the R.C.P. paper, simply because the U.S. government disapproves of Russia threatening invasion of one of its old colonies...
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And you described the situation just fine.
Keep them busy with Putin hate and they won't give a shit how they are being fucked at home.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)Ukraine Human Rights Council--not exactly an objective source. However, a word-for-word direct translation by an non-interested party who speaks Russian would lend credibility to this report.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)They have not been your specialty to date.
Your line is more this sort of thing....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014787623#post7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014787623#post10
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014790244#post13
Response to The Magistrate (Reply #22)
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)
Maybe in their quest to rid the world of fascists, they could start by cleaning out the Kremlin.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)30 more people. Your opinion comes from retrospective beliefs about Putin. He is not regarded that way anymore by the world. Which person in the Kremlin would you like to start with? Did this person recently burn 30 innocent people?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Unless you think Odessa is somehow worse than Grozny.
If you seriously don't think Putin's a damn fascist, you're deluding yourself.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)created by the media and gotcha folks because he was once head of KGB at a time when US-Russia relations were not good. You need to get current.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Like his campaign against the Russian LGBT community, his proto-censorship "no swearing" law, his belief in his right to "protect ethnic Russians" in other countries...
What you're proposing--invading a country that hasn't attacked them--is a war of aggression, which is a fucking war crime.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)first paragraph.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)without a legitimate argument of self-defense is a war of aggression. What you are proposing is in fact a war of aggression.
And you can't, or won't?
arendt
(5,078 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)That is why I put it up.
I am very glad to hear you endorse imperialist invasion: it is no surprise, of course, but always good to have these things out in the open.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)noticed; I can assure you. It's an invasion by a Russian to save Russians from Facists and Righters. But you probably already know what's going to happen, as do I. My version will be more balanced.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)And the pretext for invasion, if it comes, is as shabby as the Sudeten or the Danzig Corridor was....
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Russians live in Russia, and Ukrainians live in Ukraine as far as citizenship is concerned.
God, you've really bought the bullshit lock stock and barrel.
Putin has absolutely no right in invading Ukraine at all.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)to be Russian Citizens again, like they used to be.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)They're Ukrainian citizens now, and were Ukrainian citizens during the Ukrainian SSR.
They may be ethnically Russian, but they're not Russian citizens. Putin has no business invading a neighboring country just to bring them back to the Fatherl--uh, Russia. This smacks horrifically of the Sudeten Crisis.
EX500rider
(12,589 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Sometimes I am just stunned beyond words.
EX500rider
(12,589 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Ukrainians in the east? Are they killing them? for what do they need protection from? How about the Tatars in Crimea? How are the Russians protecting them? How about the gays? Until the uprising in Crimea with Russian invasion breaking the agreement to get rid of Ukraine's nuclear arms, the east was quiet and peaceful.. How about the Ukraine navy that was illegally blockaded and stormed, did they need protection too?
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)because another country unleashed a band of paid hired thugs to create chaos. You know, you've been using the same spiel every day. I'm tired of arguing about it. As for the other topics. I'm not going to include stuff not salient to Russia v/ Ukraine.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Proof please?
http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/russian-troops-move-into-crimea/
http://www.phasernet.com/?p=2565
Russian troops in Crimea protecting airport and those Ukranian warships
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)my link went to jury, and I lost because I didn't DD the link well enough. I won't do that again. I would just send you an email with links but you are on the other side.
EX500rider
(12,589 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Because that is the hate site you linked to here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014787623#post7
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014787623#post10
Then you went on to endorse ethnic cleansing of Roma, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014790244#post13
Rough rule of thumb: if you find 'proof' of something on a hate site, there is no real proof of that thing.
EX500rider
(12,589 posts)....any other countries you think need to be invaded asap?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Glad your "kill 'em all" attitude is out in the open, along with your backing of dictatorship running amok in Europe, of troops and tanks of a giant country overrunning the small countries, killing as they go in the name of "rid Europe of Fascists" BS. I've had the feeling that you've been hiding this opinion when you obfuscated and avoided and dodged, but now there it is: your views are totalitarian, neo-Stalinist, for killing and conquering in the name of Putin's lies, propaganda, and Greater Russia empire dreams.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)pro settling this thing quickly before it reaches its natural end and the neoncons get what they want. I don't believe as you do,nor do most of the people on this board and I have participated in most of the discussions. Simply because you accuse Putin of lies doesn't make it so. The West started the thing. Putin is trying to finish it. And his main choice is no longer just playing overseer in a Federation. I'll not insult you like you have me. I'll just say you don't see things very clearly. If you can't see the constant manipulation by the West, then there is something very wrong.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)be in denial about the dictatorship Putin's set up around himself, about the democracy-crushing regime he's pursued over the years, about his words on "New Russia." One has to question the state of mind of someone who can sit there and advocate your position while accusing others of not seeing things clearly. You're reacting to the burning building incident the same way Americans who favored invading Iraq reacted to 9/11--with hysteria, with misdirected bloodthirsty calls to run tanks and bombs over a whole country. It's no insult to remind you about exactly what you are advocating--a new war in Europe that will kill thousands and could start a world war.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)moved in with insurmountable forces, the Western incitement-turned-ugly would be over fast, and that would be that. I was dead set against Iraq and still want all the neocons punished. You don't know what you are talking about and are simply making stuff up based on your irrational hate of Putin.
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Billy Budd
(310 posts)Its more like moving me in the other direction more skepticism of this story
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Only 15% voted for it...lame propaganda cannot resist the overreach.
But if you hate Putin you will want to believe it...and they count on that.
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)
Billy Budd
(310 posts)in accepting this kind of information without critically thinking about it. There is also no percentage in underestimating the CIA 's mighty Wurlitzer of propaganda...The CIA has a classified budget of billions and billions which they spend [among many other things] on buying selling and leasing media assets...whether they be human press assets or companies /organizations. I pointed out earlier the story during the first Iraq war regarding Iraqi troops throwing babies of incubators...that was debunked in due time...but not until after Pavlov's Dogs drooled..
levp
(188 posts)Billy Budd
(310 posts)screen shot leads nowhere and the other link was in Cyrillic alphabet language I could not read
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)
Do a machine translation; it is there as described.
levp
(188 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)the voting irregularities?
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/author/paul-roderick-gregory/
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)document or one redacted to show what someone wanted. Also, it doesn't agree with the numbers show in the OP Header. You simply accept things easier than I. I'll DD it more.
levp
(188 posts)As for the numbers: what is 50% out of 30%? (Hint: 15%).
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)from another country pulling in a favor to have a document show what they wanted? I want to see the original source document translated by someone who speaks Russian from another country without a material interest in what the document says. Also, I want to see more references to this document tomorrow.
levp
(188 posts)...CIA who hacked a Russian Presidential Commission website (who then neglected to correct or take down the article).
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)the CIA and the FBI allegedly has people over in Kiev now. I'm sure they brought people trained in a host special talents. I'll know tomorrow if there is anything to what you say.
eridani
(51,907 posts)So where's the "before" screenshot?
levp
(188 posts)Last edited Mon May 5, 2014, 11:12 PM - Edit history (1)
"After" will be when they will scrub this report from their website (while collecting a change of clothes for their trip to Magadan 
)
EDIT:
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)she posted an article. if you think it's wrong, prove it wrong.
the election results were no secret.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--something that was scrubbed, post a screenshot of the original. For recent examples on conservative websites, just search fot "Bundy".
Cha
(319,163 posts)thanks kpete~
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)"It reveals the Democratic Party as a hodge-podge coalition of intellectuals, labor unions, minorities, and other special interests, in which blue-collar America is not particularly comfortable."
Get out of here.
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)levp
(188 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Which part(s) are not the same?
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Get out of here
levp
(188 posts)Of course you do.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Get out of here.
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Then get out here and start a thread with that document as the OP. And let this thread die.
This man does not deserve our time.
From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Response to levp (Reply #91)
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giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)When did you get promoted to DU Hall Monitor?
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)tomorrow when I wake up. Something's fishy with it.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)I would erase that troll post. Look at your post count v/ his.
Response to Ash_F (Reply #94)
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EX500rider
(12,589 posts)
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Yes, if only the revered Paul Roderick Gregory could show me the way.
You have no idea of my opinion on the Ukraine crisis.
EX500rider
(12,589 posts)....no Western interpretation needed.
Or do you you wanna go with the "it was hacked by the CIA" too but the Russians are too polite to bring that up...HAHAHAHA!
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Then make a thread with those articles as the basis. I am not going to get into a point by point analysis about why the opinion piece in the OP is garbage.
It is a way better use of my time to show DUers what an idiot this man is.
levp
(188 posts)that posting the same story again is not allowed (duplicate).
Troll.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Fun fact: This guy actually voted for Nixon when he ran against Kennedy.
OK, I'm tapped out. I should have finished on the Obama=Stalin OP'ed.
To answer your question. It would be fine if you can find an actual news article. Or you can right your own OP in general discussion.
This thread will likely be closed anyway because OP'eds are not allowed in LBN in the first place, as another poster pointed out.
levp
(188 posts)it would be possible to start a new one.
Meanwhile, kindly refer to my prior references for the information on the original source.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)peddling aluminum tubes, yellowcake and kuwaiti indubators to the gullible.
Is it so hard to see that Forbes wants a war?
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)checking documents written in Russian. Forbes absolutely wants a war. That's it for me.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Nazi's and fascist's are everywhere and are going to kill you and your families, be very afraid even though it has not happened. Our nice young men in masks with guns will protect you.
Gullible indeed
EmilyAnne
(2,769 posts)"The gullible" are so busy thinking about a six week old election in place they can hardly pronounce and translating Ukrainian screen shot text.
This will really strike mortal fear in the hearts of the average "gullible" American and we'll see Slim Pickins riding the bomb to Moscow any day now.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)This just appears to be a poll done in order to quantify how much support Russia really had.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)"No analysis or opinion pieces."
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)It is by a professional right-wing hack, in Forbes, clearly labeled by that publication as Opinion. It speculates about the meaning of some text posted briefly on a Russian government web site, treating this as though it were authoritative (when it may have been no more than a beta test). No evidence that further investigation was conducted, as a reporter might do.
levp
(188 posts)From:
Presidential Council - Problems of the Crimean population
Translation:
"Referendum
According to almost all citizens and professionals surveyed:
- the vast majority of inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum to join Russia (50-80% turnout), but in Crimea in general, according to different sources, 50-60% of voters voted to join Russia with a total turnout of 30-50%;
- Crimean residents voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness, thieving dominance of Donetsk henchmen." Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea."
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts) The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)