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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:32 PM May 2014

Ted Cruz: Christians Shouldn’t Be Required To Do Business With Gay People

Source: The Raw Story

Christian business owners should be able to discriminate against LGBT people and others if they believe the Bible tells them to, said US Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX). “Everyone has to reconcile their own faith with how they interact with others, and that’s a choice you’ve got to make based on your understanding of biblical teachings and based on the best understanding you can come to it,” Cruz said at a Houston Baptist University Forum on Faith in the Public Square.

The Tea Party favorite said Christians should not be forced to sell wedding cakes to same-sex couples or photograph their marriage ceremonies, although he personally had no problem doing so — although conceded he was a terrible cook. I’m very much a believer that the scripture teaches that you hate the sin and love the sinner, and so, you know, from my perspective I am perfectly willing to interact with anybody,” he said. “Look, I work in the U.S. Congress. But at the same time, I don’t think the law should be forcing Americans to violate their religious faith.”

Cruz offered a pending legal case as an example. “The Obama administration is litigating against the Little Sisters of the Poor, trying to force them, trying to extract millions of dollars of fines to force them to pay for contraceptives and abortion-providing drugs for others,” he said. The U.S. Supreme Court issued an order several hours before Cruz made his remarks, keeping in place a temporary injunction shielding the charity and other religious groups from the requirement to offer contraception as part of employee health benefits.

“Now, these Catholic nuns don’t want to do so, and the idea that the federal government would be going after Catholic nuns, trying to force them to violate their religious faith, really demonstrates how utterly unmoored we have come from the constitutional liberties this country was founded on,” Cruz said. Religious groups may opt out of the contraception mandate by filling out a form to require their insurers pay for such coverage, but the Catholic groups argued in their lawsuit that this effectively forced them to take part in the transaction.






Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/07/ted-cruz-christians-shouldnt-be-required-to-do-business-with-gay-people/

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Ted Cruz: Christians Shouldn’t Be Required To Do Business With Gay People (Original Post) big_dog May 2014 OP
Dear Ted, go fuck yourself with a saguaro cactus. Scuba May 2014 #1
What did that cactus ever do to you? AtheistCrusader May 2014 #6
Yes, the cacti customerserviceguy May 2014 #82
obviously, this dick never read Matthew 31-45. roguevalley May 2014 #89
Almost none of the Christians who get into the news these days seem to have read that FiveGoodMen May 2014 #99
And Matthew 25... KatyMan May 2014 #113
"I was hungry and thirst, and you cut food stamps..." Beartracks May 2014 #116
Very Nice! lib87 May 2014 #129
+1 sakabatou May 2014 #13
I love the stately saguaro. Please choose another. kairos12 May 2014 #20
what a terrible thing to suggest... mike_c May 2014 #58
You are correct... the "Teddy Bear Cholla Cactus" (Cylindropuntia bigelovii) waddirum May 2014 #81
My question to him would be "Does the reverse apply as well?" tonybgood May 2014 #114
Ted will change his mind once a Muslim shopkeeper won't sell him bacon. nt alp227 May 2014 #2
I'm sure The Little Sisters of The Poor Mr.Bill May 2014 #3
It also struck me that he chose "Little Sisters of the Poor" to make his point. Voice for Peace May 2014 #106
All they have to do is fill out paperwork atreides1 May 2014 #4
How about black people, Ted? or Jews? nt HomerRamone May 2014 #5
Seriously.... Rebubula May 2014 #9
WE shouldn't be required to hear from Cruz's ignorant clap hole underpants May 2014 #7
You do not have to do business with anyone oldandhappy May 2014 #8
Why doesn't some billionaire step up SamKnause May 2014 #10
The more I travel... Rebubula May 2014 #12
Hey Ted: Keefer May 2014 #11
Triangles and stars and numbers, oh my! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #74
If you're a Christian and you don't want to do business with gay people, that's fine Leontius May 2014 #14
Well said. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #29
Amen and Alleluia LynneSin May 2014 #111
And NOBODY shold be required 2naSalit May 2014 #15
Does that mean he thinks non-Christians should indeed be required to serve gays? JohnnyRingo May 2014 #16
And I say let them discriminate. But that interesting sign in the window would be mandatory! A Simple Game May 2014 #44
Good point. JohnnyRingo May 2014 #72
That's why we have inalienable rights CJCRANE May 2014 #17
Who's Next??? otohara May 2014 #18
Unwed mothers, single women, blah people, anyone that makes less than $250,000/yr., nonChristians, blkmusclmachine May 2014 #75
Love The Sinner, Hate the sin kchamberlin25 May 2014 #19
That's euphemism for: gopiscrap May 2014 #95
"...but you may rest assured that I love you." Voice for Peace May 2014 #107
Good point, and welcome. mac56 May 2014 #110
Not a problem. Go to the embassay, renounce their citizenship, get lost. jtuck004 May 2014 #21
Ted should get campaign donations from the Taliban. kairos12 May 2014 #22
Some people are saying... FiveGoodMen May 2014 #24
And the Pope would say WHAT about this??? elleng May 2014 #23
Well, when his Bishops in Uganda tell their flocks to turn their gay children in Bluenorthwest May 2014 #55
but...all his pretty, vague words! Crash2Parties May 2014 #119
So-called Christians sure can be judgemental and callous. Hoyt May 2014 #25
It's why they're called "The American Taliban." And well deserved, if you ask me! blkmusclmachine May 2014 #77
So why don't the christians all go to another place and form their own country? sinkingfeeling May 2014 #26
With that logic, TED.... yuiyoshida May 2014 #27
+1 million Louisiana1976 May 2014 #32
Let's take it all the way to Mr.Bill May 2014 #40
Good one! classof56 May 2014 #97
Show yourself HockeyMom May 2014 #28
But would a print shop owner, who is gay, have to print stuff for Westboro Baptist? 7962 May 2014 #30
That's what I was thinking. It should work in reverse as well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #31
I've used the same argument with people who push for teacher-led paryer in schools 7962 May 2014 #41
"No,but that's a Scarecrow fallacy on accounta this ain't a Muslim country it's a Christian Country! brett_jv May 2014 #91
"pledge of the legions" Voice for Peace May 2014 #108
Only if you can charge them more money... yuiyoshida May 2014 #33
This is why I see things differently SnakeEyes May 2014 #69
And thats the ticket, right there. 7962 May 2014 #83
Lester Maddox agrees with you. He used the very same argument to keep his restaurant segregated. Ikonoklast May 2014 #88
Rand Paul agrees with you, Progressive dog May 2014 #109
Ted Cruz should push through a new law They_Live May 2014 #34
Don't worry Ted. "Christians" who won't buy or sell from gays aren't really Christian at all. Zen Democrat May 2014 #35
Depends on whether 'Christian' means sincere followers of Jesus' teachings FiveGoodMen May 2014 #37
Just because you're sincere doesn't mean you're on the right path. Zen Democrat May 2014 #42
I think it's arguable that Christianity is whatever a majority of Christians practice FiveGoodMen May 2014 #43
Here's the thing: under a theocracy Ted Cruz could be labeled a heretic CJCRANE May 2014 #52
No argument, but this little sub-thread was about who defines what's REALLY Christian FiveGoodMen May 2014 #53
No problem. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #36
Those type businesses already have an emblem: the fish sign. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #78
So when are these faux-Christians going to ask that others wear something PumpkinAle May 2014 #38
Ted Cruz speaking for Christians is like tavernier May 2014 #39
With Right-Wing Christianity: Zen Democrat May 2014 #45
I agree. tavernier May 2014 #68
Hey Ted! My tax dollars should not have to pay for your muntrv May 2014 #46
Hey Ted STFU! sheshe2 May 2014 #47
I'm not bashing Christians, but Christianity is a choice. HuckleB May 2014 #48
Ah religion amuse bouche May 2014 #49
Religion's real purpose is to keep people from demanding their fair share of the wealth. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #79
That too. Accept your lot in life amuse bouche May 2014 #84
Ted Cruz: Christians Shouldn’t Be Required To Do Business With Black People Hosnon May 2014 #50
Ted Cruz: Christians should only do business with card carrying (white) Christians. L0oniX May 2014 #96
Wait till the rightwingers joins the "World Church of the Creator", NutmegYankee May 2014 #51
Ted can stop watching TV dickthegrouch May 2014 #54
"We need 100 Jesse Helms' in the Senate" czarjak May 2014 #56
Real Christians have no problem doing business with 'gay people.' pangaia May 2014 #57
Would you estimate that there are more real or more fake Christians in the world? FiveGoodMen May 2014 #59
You ask a very good question. pangaia May 2014 #61
I'd estimate more fake than real. olddad56 May 2014 #67
How did Carnival Cruz pass Constitutional Law? Gothmog May 2014 #60
Can a Muslim cab driver refuse to pick up a woman travelling alone? McCamy Taylor May 2014 #62
So, if Ted Cruz comes into my ER, should I let him die, because my religion calls him a murderer? McCamy Taylor May 2014 #63
My wife is outrage and sicken by Cruz's comment BUT then she also said WHY SHOULD CHRISTIANS ALONE diabeticman May 2014 #64
May I see your hetero registration card please? Android3.14 May 2014 #65
If Cruz was living in the 50's sakabatou May 2014 #66
They discriminated against Hispanics in the 1950s jmowreader May 2014 #93
He thrives on hate, without it, what would he have to say? n/t Jefferson23 May 2014 #70
Remember, Ted's daddy told him he's the next Jesus. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #80
Well, Rafael, people shouldn't have to listen to your homophobic ravings either. Beacool May 2014 #71
Christian Sharia (or should I say "Christian"); This dude is a Christian Dominionist, yes? blkmusclmachine May 2014 #73
and intelligent, thoughtful, caring, HUMANS should not have to do business, or, worse yet, niyad May 2014 #76
Says the fucking anti-Christian, ted babbling cruz Cha May 2014 #85
"A babbling fool will come to ruin." nyquil_man May 2014 #86
Haven't we seen this shit before? Like in the 1960's? nt BootinUp May 2014 #87
"I don't reject Christ. I love Christ." toddwv May 2014 #90
I'd love it if Teddy-boy could point me to the passage in teh Bible referring to Health Insurance? brett_jv May 2014 #92
........... trusty elf May 2014 #94
What a sad, little man. nt City Lights May 2014 #98
OK so what about... RoccoR5955 May 2014 #100
Again JustAnotherGen May 2014 #101
Gay People shouldn't have to do business with bigots liberal N proud May 2014 #102
He's a raving idiot Faux pas May 2014 #103
" Religious groups may opt out of the contraception mandate by filling out a form.." dionysus May 2014 #104
What has to be reconciled.............. mrmpa May 2014 #105
Unfair! We sometimes have to do business with stupid people tclambert May 2014 #112
I prefer we prosecute them for hate speech: Leviticus says: grahamhgreen May 2014 #115
I will never do business with Ted Cruz Martin Eden May 2014 #117
Ted Cruz Is The New Sarah Palin DallasNE May 2014 #118
Atheists shouldn't be required to do business with truthisfreedom May 2014 #120
Look, Its' simple Sentath May 2014 #121
and I shouldn't have to demigoddess May 2014 #122
Hmmmm...my faith says that members of the Tea Party are not Christian. Stonepounder May 2014 #123
*sigh* you can't fix stupid. Anyone Zorra May 2014 #124
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #125
I am all in favor of that Pakid May 2014 #126
Ted Cruz must not be a Christian or an American. He doesn't believe in BASIC equal rights for all. Sunlei May 2014 #127
Christians shouldn't be granted business licenses if they want to pick their customers. It is the rainy May 2014 #128
Cruz is a walking disaster Rosa Luxemburg May 2014 #130
Freedom of religion as I see it Cresent City Kid May 2014 #131
Damn I hate that guy. Rhinodawg May 2014 #132
If they only knew.......nt. kelliekat44 May 2014 #133

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. What did that cactus ever do to you?
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:39 PM
May 2014

That's just cold, man. Won't someone think of the cacti?

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
89. obviously, this dick never read Matthew 31-45.
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:23 PM
May 2014

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,

32 and all the nations* will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,

36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’

37 Then the righteous* will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’

40 And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

43 stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’

44 Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’

45 He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
99. Almost none of the Christians who get into the news these days seem to have read that
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

Amazing, since it would mean the difference between heaven and hell if it were true.

Always makes me think that these particular Christians don't really believe it. (And there are a LOT of them)

KatyMan

(4,330 posts)
113. And Matthew 25...
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:57 PM
May 2014

31“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32“All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

34“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

lib87

(535 posts)
129. Very Nice!
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:03 PM
May 2014

I need the politicians who are actually trying to help people to start wearing this shirt at work.

mike_c

(36,888 posts)
58. what a terrible thing to suggest...
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:48 PM
May 2014

...for the noble saguaro. Some lowlife cholla, on the other hand....

waddirum

(999 posts)
81. You are correct... the "Teddy Bear Cholla Cactus" (Cylindropuntia bigelovii)
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:02 PM
May 2014

is the most appropriate succulent for Ted's bum.

tonybgood

(218 posts)
114. My question to him would be "Does the reverse apply as well?"
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:19 PM
May 2014

Why should non-Christians have to do business with Christians? How can you tell? Does Ted want everyone to wear a patch denoting their religious and sexual choices? Where does that lead us? (Cue the "Hitler" reference)

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
3. I'm sure The Little Sisters of The Poor
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:35 PM
May 2014

are thrilled to have a fundamentalist nut case like him on their side.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
106. It also struck me that he chose "Little Sisters of the Poor" to make his point.
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:16 PM
May 2014

Obama goes after little sisters of the poor..
what could be more evil, more cold and callous than that??
Little sisters?? of the Poor? Heartless. Dictator-like.

atreides1

(16,799 posts)
4. All they have to do is fill out paperwork
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:35 PM
May 2014

But I guess being in a church that protected and still protects child molesters, that's acceptable!

Rebubula

(2,868 posts)
9. Seriously....
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:44 PM
May 2014

....how do these assholes NOT see the comparison.

Bigots have used biblical passages for centuries to justify hatred and oppression....this is just another in a long line of behavior that Jesus would be embarrassed by....if there ever were such a man-god

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
8. You do not have to do business with anyone
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:43 PM
May 2014

unless that business includes asking for money! Several businesses have discovered that targeted populations i.e. gays or old folk do have money and can use it at their discretion. The backtracking to regain income is hilarious at several restaurants.

SamKnause

(14,656 posts)
10. Why doesn't some billionaire step up
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:45 PM
May 2014

and buy these persecuted people their own island.

I, for one, am not interested in the United States becoming a Theocracy.

The country is already extremely racist.

Throw Theocracy into the mix and it is truly frightening !!!

Rebubula

(2,868 posts)
12. The more I travel...
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:51 PM
May 2014

...the more I see the WHOLE WORLD IS RACIST!

Not to excuse the shithole that is our society in relation to how we treat each other, but once you start going to lots of other countries - you see that the US is not the worst....and certainly not close to the best.

Now....I whole heartedly agree with you on the theocracy fear - always been my greatest fear....other than Sharks with fricking Laser Beams.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
14. If you're a Christian and you don't want to do business with gay people, that's fine
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:53 PM
May 2014

don't go into business. The public is all of us gay, straight, black, white, believer, non-believer, whatever you can't be allowed to discriminate period. It's all of us or none of us.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
111. Amen and Alleluia
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:42 PM
May 2014

I will not patronize businesses that I know discriminate against others.

JohnnyRingo

(20,409 posts)
16. Does that mean he thinks non-Christians should indeed be required to serve gays?
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:57 PM
May 2014

Since religion seems to be his only discerning factor, I assume that means non-believers should have to abide within the parameters of anti-discrimination laws. Do we need a Christian statement of faith when opening a business so they can operate by their own set of laws?

Should Catholics be allowed to turn away people only because they are Jewish? That would be an interesting sign in the window.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
44. And I say let them discriminate. But that interesting sign in the window would be mandatory!
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:29 PM
May 2014

It would have to list all the segments of society that they exclude from doing business with. Then we'll see how much their religion means to them when 63 year old white men like me, and many other non-discriminatory members of society, also make decisions on who they will give their business to.

JohnnyRingo

(20,409 posts)
72. Good point.
Wed May 7, 2014, 08:01 PM
May 2014

...and I agree.

Places like the Hobby Lobby have to post a sign if they don't allow concealed firearms in the store, why shouldn't they also be required to prominently post others who aren't welcome.

It'd be something to see a wedding photographer's friendly looking ad in the Yellow Pages and a mandatory notice at the bottom listing those who need not call. That way they can't pick & choose on a a case by case basis. Many resturants and bars could use the religious loophole to refuse serving black people because they "suspected" they may have been homosexual.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
17. That's why we have inalienable rights
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:57 PM
May 2014

so we don't have to rely on what someone thinks God said to them.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
75. Unwed mothers, single women, blah people, anyone that makes less than $250,000/yr., nonChristians,
Wed May 7, 2014, 08:43 PM
May 2014

etc., etc., etc.

kchamberlin25

(84 posts)
19. Love The Sinner, Hate the sin
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:03 PM
May 2014

Show me where in the Bible it says "Love the sinner, hate the sin". Hint - it doesn't.

gopiscrap

(24,527 posts)
95. That's euphemism for:
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:36 AM
May 2014

"I'm gonna fuck you over because I don't like your lifestyle, beliefs or the way you look and I don't have the balls to say what I really mean!"

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
107. "...but you may rest assured that I love you."
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:20 PM
May 2014

(in case Jesus was serious about love)
This covers their butt in case of God.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. Not a problem. Go to the embassay, renounce their citizenship, get lost.
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:04 PM
May 2014

If they stay, and their shops catch on fire, I wonder if they will insist that no gay firefolk put out the fire? Surely they will refuse power and water from any utility that employs those "gay" people.

They should be careful that they don't encourage others to just stand there and watch when they expect the relief that everyone else gets.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
55. Well, when his Bishops in Uganda tell their flocks to turn their gay children in
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:33 PM
May 2014

to the police and call for blood in the streets, Francis says absolutely nothing to so much as suggest he does not care for such a message in his Church. The Pope is presiding over pogroms. It's time to come to terms with that.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
119. but...all his pretty, vague words!
Fri May 9, 2014, 02:08 AM
May 2014

He personally spent time with a bishop in Spain to encourage him to give a strong sermon against allowing gay people to adopt. Oh, and personally excommunicated a few priests who had the audacity to speak up for women and lgbt people..."Who am I to judge?" was only his way of passing the buck and hoping people misread it.

yuiyoshida

(44,904 posts)
27. With that logic, TED....
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:18 PM
May 2014

Than Christians shouldn't required to do business with Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, or Atheists....take it a bit father Ted, they shouldn't be required to do business with Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, or Native Americans.... HOW far do you want to take it Ted???

How freaking far???

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
28. Show yourself
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:19 PM
May 2014

Put a cross up on the top of your business establishment and I will voluntarily AVOID patronizing your business. Of course, you will be too chicken to do that and lose (straight) customers too.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
30. But would a print shop owner, who is gay, have to print stuff for Westboro Baptist?
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:20 PM
May 2014

Wouldnt that be the same thing?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
31. That's what I was thinking. It should work in reverse as well.
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:22 PM
May 2014

If Christians want the right to refuse to serve people, they have to expect other people to have the right not to serve them. And I don't see that going over as well with them.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
41. I've used the same argument with people who push for teacher-led paryer in schools
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:01 PM
May 2014

I ask them would it be OK if their kid was in a class and a Muslim teacher led a prayer from the Koran? Are you fine with that? No? Then you see why the law is the way it is.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
91. "No,but that's a Scarecrow fallacy on accounta this ain't a Muslim country it's a Christian Country!
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:17 AM
May 2014

Why t'hell else would we say 'Under God' in the Pledge of The Legions?

Cause our FOUNDERS meant for this to be a Christian Country not no Muslim Country!

It don't say 'Under God and Allah and Buddha and whatnot, now does it?

Man you librul's is STEEEUWPID."

yuiyoshida

(44,904 posts)
33. Only if you can charge them more money...
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:24 PM
May 2014

That would be totally fair. You want 100 flyers? THAT will be 2.3 million dollars sir.

SnakeEyes

(1,407 posts)
69. This is why I see things differently
Wed May 7, 2014, 07:36 PM
May 2014

I will never ever offer my services to known racists and bigots such as Westboro or the KKK and I would legally fight any attempts to force me to either do so or be fined/forced out of business. So to be consistent in my views, I feel that a business owner can/should be able to choose who they offer their services to based on whatever they choose. I see it as similar to the 1st Amendment which protects even offensive and incorrect speech. And if some a-hole wants to deny services based on their own bigoted views then publicize it loudly to the community, who can then shut the business down by not patronizing it.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
83. And thats the ticket, right there.
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:30 PM
May 2014

Which is also why I cant stand seeing people being shouted down while trying to give a speech, even if its someone I dont approve of. It just gives the other side a good clip to use and be able to say "see, they're whackos. They dont believe in free speech unless its theirs" The worst offenders are usually at the universities too; which makes no sense at all.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
88. Lester Maddox agrees with you. He used the very same argument to keep his restaurant segregated.
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:10 PM
May 2014

When you are open for business to the public, that means everyone.

Progressive dog

(7,564 posts)
109. Rand Paul agrees with you,
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:29 PM
May 2014

he wants bigots and racists to have the liberty to discriminate with impunity.

They_Live

(3,371 posts)
34. Ted Cruz should push through a new law
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:34 PM
May 2014

requiring "Christians" to wear special crucifix armbands so that everyone else can avoid doing business with them.



Ted Cruz Shouldn’t Be Allowed To Do Christian Business On The Public Dime.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
35. Don't worry Ted. "Christians" who won't buy or sell from gays aren't really Christian at all.
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:45 PM
May 2014

So no conflict for you hate-filled mockers of Jesus. No Mercy; No Rapture; No Heaven. Just judgment.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
37. Depends on whether 'Christian' means sincere followers of Jesus' teachings
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:50 PM
May 2014

Or if it means those who self-identify as Christians.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
42. Just because you're sincere doesn't mean you're on the right path.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:18 PM
May 2014

I think they self-identify as followers of a religion called "Christianity" and they don't have a clue what it's all about. Just calling yourself something doesn't make you that thing. Like Lanny Davis and Bob Beckel call themselves Democrats!

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
43. I think it's arguable that Christianity is whatever a majority of Christians practice
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:23 PM
May 2014

As far as the true path goes, the religion has split into many denominations and sub-denominations because there's no universal agreement on what a Christian is really supposed to think and do.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
52. Here's the thing: under a theocracy Ted Cruz could be labeled a heretic
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:27 PM
May 2014

because he belongs to the wrong denomination.

The First Amendment also prevents christians from being persecuted by other christians (as happened through most of history).

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
53. No argument, but this little sub-thread was about who defines what's REALLY Christian
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:30 PM
May 2014

Not from a legal standpoint, but as a response to "they're not really Christians."

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
36. No problem.
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:47 PM
May 2014

Just put it on a huge sign right in the front window, "We don't do business with gay people." Let's see how long your business lasts, asbite.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
38. So when are these faux-Christians going to ask that others wear something
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:52 PM
May 2014

so that they can discriminate openly.

Cruz I know you are Canadian (sorry Canada), but we have a Constitution here in America so while you are free to worship as you wish - you can not discriminate in business - so do us all a favor and STFU.

tavernier

(14,204 posts)
39. Ted Cruz speaking for Christians is like
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:57 PM
May 2014

Ted Bundy speaking for all men.

Obscene and misinformed.

And I'm ashamed that some here allow him to do that. I am a Christian as are many of my gay friends, and we resent both of these attitudes. My beliefs (I hate the word religion) are based on one thing: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Even if you don't believe that this was the ultimate teaching of Christ, doesn't it meet the criteria of a better world? Screw the biblical bullshit! This is what we as Christians have been taught to be the bottom line.

Sadly, "Religion" has tacked on amendments to this one very basic rule.





Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
45. With Right-Wing Christianity:
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:31 PM
May 2014

It's not about treating others as you want to be treated.
It's not about loving your enemies.
It's not about forgiving seventy times seven.
It's not about being your brother's keeper.
It's not about praying in private.
It's not about giving anonymously.
It's not about turning the other cheek.
It's not about taking care of the children, widows, and prisoners.
It's not about honoring women.

What it IS about is Old Testament blood sacrifice and a string of ancient prohibitions that most Jewish people don't take seriously anymore, like menstruating women being put out of the house as an abomination; putting to death women who left their husbands, although men could put out their wives without consequence, et al. It's sick stuff. And apparently it makes people cray-cray.

The teachings of Jesus are hard to follow; so in order to be good Christians, they put the emphasis on fear and loathing.

tavernier

(14,204 posts)
68. I agree.
Wed May 7, 2014, 07:18 PM
May 2014

They only need to follow one simple instruction.

Geesh. How hard is it to treat someone like... Oh, I get it. That means equality.

For the poor, the ppl of all races, all genders... Everyone...

Crazy concept.

sheshe2

(95,535 posts)
47. Hey Ted STFU!
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:48 PM
May 2014

It's not about faith, it's about hate.

Stop hiding behind that bible of yours, you are clueless to the teachings of the bible.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
48. I'm not bashing Christians, but Christianity is a choice.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:50 PM
May 2014

Being LGBT is not.

Thus, Ted, you're an idiot.

amuse bouche

(3,672 posts)
49. Ah religion
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:57 PM
May 2014

When will fools wake up and understand, its only purpose is to promote hate and control 'others'?

amuse bouche

(3,672 posts)
84. That too. Accept your lot in life
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:52 PM
May 2014

"It's all part of god's plan"

I will never understand how people accept such nonsense

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
50. Ted Cruz: Christians Shouldn’t Be Required To Do Business With Black People
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:05 PM
May 2014

Real nice, Senator.

You have a choice: Admit you are wrong or go into history as... this.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
96. Ted Cruz: Christians should only do business with card carrying (white) Christians.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:38 AM
May 2014

NutmegYankee

(16,454 posts)
51. Wait till the rightwingers joins the "World Church of the Creator",
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:23 PM
May 2014

And they exercise their "religious beliefs" to discriminate against nonwhites. This shit needs to be stopped now!

dickthegrouch

(4,254 posts)
54. Ted can stop watching TV
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:32 PM
May 2014

and even stop singing hymns in his church too
Better not sing the National Anthem either, Ted. It was written by one of us.
Don't go to the Gap or Banana Republic
I think he'll find a lot more LGBT people in his world than he ever imagined if he were really to open his eyes instead of his mouth.

czarjak

(13,420 posts)
56. "We need 100 Jesse Helms' in the Senate"
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:34 PM
May 2014

If there were and they had their way, as soon as the Blacks were wiped out, they'd start on the Hispanics, Nothing to worry about there, huh Senor Cruz? WTF are you talking about? Hispanic White supremacist?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
57. Real Christians have no problem doing business with 'gay people.'
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:45 PM
May 2014

It's the fake Christians who have the problem.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
61. You ask a very good question.
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:07 PM
May 2014

..............................
I have had to ponder how to answer...
This could get difficult and I don't want to go into a discussion of Christianity. But..

I would say that REAL 'real' Christians, are those who try to live their lives as Jesus taught, or perhaps according to what was written by those who wrote about what they say he taught. They are the ones who really ponder the meaning of those teachings, those ideas, who have an actual intentional spiritual practice. Thomas Merton comes to mind.

Then there are the everyday 'real' Christians who have...a strong 'belief' in.. something, and try to live their lives well and with respect.

And then there are the Ted Cruzes of the world. people as psychologically disturbed as the Taliban. There is a quite wide range of these deranged beings.

There are fewest by far of the first. As to the second and third... I certainly would think, and HOPE, there are more of the second. A lot more.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
67. I'd estimate more fake than real.
Wed May 7, 2014, 07:07 PM
May 2014

by far, I think anyone who takes the bible literally rather than figuratively, including preachers, would seem like fake christians to me. But that would not keep me for having friends that I felt were fake christians, providing they didn't try to lay their trip on me.

I think anyone who hates anyone else is not a real christian and is not very spiritual. If a person calls themselves a true christian and won't do business will someone because of their sexual preference, color of their skin, spiritual beliefs, political beliefs, etc. then I would consider that person as not true to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Like who would Jesus hate?

I don't consider myself a christian, real or fake. I do consider myself a spiritual person. I certainly believe in God and a life after this one. And I don't really buy the literal notion of a heaven and a hell. Those concepts exist in our minds and we make our own heaven or hell right here in this lifetime.

Just my opinion.

Gothmog

(174,206 posts)
60. How did Carnival Cruz pass Constitutional Law?
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:56 PM
May 2014

Carnival Cruz is a joke and his opinion on the rights of people to use their first amendment rights to discriminate are really stupid. The First Amendment does not give an individual the right to break the law and to discriminate against groups that he dislikes. Carnival Cruz is a bad attorney

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
62. Can a Muslim cab driver refuse to pick up a woman travelling alone?
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:07 PM
May 2014

If all the cab drivers in town are Muslim does that mean she walks?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
63. So, if Ted Cruz comes into my ER, should I let him die, because my religion calls him a murderer?
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:10 PM
May 2014

You see, I am a Buddhist and Ted Cruz is for the death penalty, so if I do anything to save his life then I would be killing someone else. So, maybe Buddha would want me to step back and let nature or karma take over. Maybe that it what my religion would tell me to do. And NOTHING trumps religion.

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
64. My wife is outrage and sicken by Cruz's comment BUT then she also said WHY SHOULD CHRISTIANS ALONE
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:11 PM
May 2014

Be excluded from "having to do business with Gays" He wants to be narrow-minded and a donkey's behind when it come to denying service why is it he only wants "CHRISTIANS" that privilege. Why nor Muslims and Jews and Atheists and so on.

Not only is this nut wrong on his rudeness to a group of people but he is also offending all others by saying Christians have the right to discriminate and no one else does.

"WHAT A PUTZ!!!!"

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
65. May I see your hetero registration card please?
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:14 PM
May 2014

Ted Cruz has white hoods rammed in his skull instead of brains.
If his Christian vision of Sharia Law were in effect, one of three things must occur. Either all the straight (or pretend straight) people register to receive an ID proving they are heterosexual in order to do business with Angry Closet Boy and his fellow members of the Kloset Klan, the state requires homosexual people to self identify with some sort of visual cue (such as a pink triangle sewn on a shirt (ah the good ol' days for Cruz), or the state allows anyone to mistreat anyone if they just happen to think the other person is gay.
I think men should start aggressively asking Ted to stop looking at their crotches. At every public appearance, a man should say something to the effect of, "Sen. Cruz, I have a question. How is the gover...excuse me Senator, my eyes are up here. I would appreciate it if you would stop looking at my crotch. It is not for you."
Do this often enough, and he will eventually respond with, "I wasn't looking at your crotch."
And then the headlines write themselves.

sakabatou

(45,695 posts)
66. If Cruz was living in the 50's
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:46 PM
May 2014

he might be saying the same thing about African-Americans.

jmowreader

(52,859 posts)
93. They discriminated against Hispanics in the 1950s
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:07 AM
May 2014

If that man was living in the 1950s he so adores, his daddy would have taught him to glean fields so his family would be able to eat after they got home from their three cent-per-hour job where "you just remember, son, that there are 500 people lined up on the other side of that door ready to take your job right now." If he got into college at all there'd be people watching for any excuse to kick him out.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
73. Christian Sharia (or should I say "Christian"); This dude is a Christian Dominionist, yes?
Wed May 7, 2014, 08:39 PM
May 2014

niyad

(129,326 posts)
76. and intelligent, thoughtful, caring, HUMANS should not have to do business, or, worse yet,
Wed May 7, 2014, 08:43 PM
May 2014

pay the salaries, of bottom-feeding scum like you, teddy boy.

toddwv

(2,831 posts)
90. "I don't reject Christ. I love Christ."
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:12 PM
May 2014

"It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ."

~Gandhi

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
92. I'd love it if Teddy-boy could point me to the passage in teh Bible referring to Health Insurance?
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:44 AM
May 2014

Surely, based on his comments, there must be SOME clear directive explicitly stating that it's "An Abomination for one to pay for a health insurance plan that provide contraception to one's employees", right?

Could you point me to that passage, "Senator"?

I'm keen to read all about this Biblical Prohibition ...

JustAnotherGen

(37,475 posts)
101. Again
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:13 AM
May 2014

I can't believe all the nonsense being spouted around the world in the name of some god somewhere that does harm to human beings.

Enough - no Christian Sharia in America. Just no.

We gotta stop this guy.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
104. " Religious groups may opt out of the contraception mandate by filling out a form.."
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:38 PM
May 2014

there ya go! problem solved.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
105. What has to be reconciled..............
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:57 PM
May 2014

is that you are an American of faith. Not a person of faith, who happens to be an American. You have to reconcile your faith with American society, its needs, requirements and laws.

If you want to be only a person of faith, then I recommend that you move.

tclambert

(11,187 posts)
112. Unfair! We sometimes have to do business with stupid people
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:04 PM
May 2014

Cruz wants to go back to the times when bartenders used to say, "We don't serve your kind in here." Because what a lovely world that was.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
115. I prefer we prosecute them for hate speech: Leviticus says:
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:42 PM
May 2014

"‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."


Pretty hateful. In fact, genocidal.

Martin Eden

(15,313 posts)
117. I will never do business with Ted Cruz
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:48 PM
May 2014

because I am prejudiced against bigoted demagogues.

DallasNE

(7,947 posts)
118. Ted Cruz Is The New Sarah Palin
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:58 PM
May 2014

Sounds like he is in this for the bucks he can make. He sure can't be a serious national candidate with such extreme views.

But for the moment let's assumes that he believes his own words. The next question would be to apply the exact standard to Jews -- and by extension, gay Jews. Or Muslims. Then put the shoe on the other foot, could Jews refuse to provide a service to Ted Cruz? How is this not Jim Crow, revisited, where blacks are also refused service. Why not just bring back slavery and get it over with.

truthisfreedom

(23,509 posts)
120. Atheists shouldn't be required to do business with
Fri May 9, 2014, 06:21 AM
May 2014

crazy religious people. Democrats shouldn't be required to do business with teabaggers.

Sentath

(2,243 posts)
121. Look, Its' simple
Fri May 9, 2014, 10:19 AM
May 2014

If they let me know they're that kind of person, I won't do any [bleepbl] business with them.

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
122. and I shouldn't have to
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:00 AM
May 2014

do business with Christians!!!!! I think they should label themselves so I don't have to.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
123. Hmmmm...my faith says that members of the Tea Party are not Christian.
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:48 AM
May 2014

Would Mr. Cruz agree that I should be allowed to discriminate against them?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
124. *sigh* you can't fix stupid. Anyone
Fri May 9, 2014, 01:07 PM
May 2014

want to join a religion that forbids doing business with republicans?

Response to big_dog (Original post)

Pakid

(478 posts)
126. I am all in favor of that
Fri May 9, 2014, 03:31 PM
May 2014

Just so long as It mean that I don't ever have to do business with anyone that I don't like and I have a long list. Of course if we allow this kind of stupidity to go on it won't be long before what I want will comes to pass and right after that happens there will be a lot of openings for business who could careless about what you are and are just happy to have good customers. And all the hater will be out of business good thing for me I am not stupid enough to allow my dislike for idiots like Cruz and his kind to keep me from doing business with idiots!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
127. Ted Cruz must not be a Christian or an American. He doesn't believe in BASIC equal rights for all.
Fri May 9, 2014, 03:39 PM
May 2014
Take us to your leader Cruz.

rainy

(6,313 posts)
128. Christians shouldn't be granted business licenses if they want to pick their customers. It is the
Fri May 9, 2014, 05:18 PM
May 2014

public that pays for their courts, roads, educated employees etc... so they don't get to discriminate against the ones who made their business possible. That being ALL tax paying people.

Cresent City Kid

(1,621 posts)
131. Freedom of religion as I see it
Sat May 10, 2014, 06:18 AM
May 2014

Freedom of religion means you are free to have your religion, no more. If your religion says it's wrong to be gay, all you get is to not be gay and the freedom to believe it's wrong and you are right. You are not entitled to live in a bubble devoid of anyone with the "wrong" religion. Your freedom of religion ends at the next person, ensuring theirs.

It is being framed as a "freedom of religion" issue when the crux of it is OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGIONS.

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