Israeli soldier thought captured is declared dead
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Source: AP
JERUSALEM (AP) — The Israeli military said Sunday that an Israeli soldier it previously believed had been captured by Hamas fighters in a Gaza ambush had in fact been killed in battle that day.
The soldier's purported capture Friday had helped shatter an internationally brokered cease-fire, drawn global condemnation and triggered a military assault on the area of his disappearance in southern Gaza that left dozens of Palestinians dead and scores of homes destroyed.
The military did not explain how it reached the conclusion that Hadar Goldin, a 23-year-old infantry lieutenant, was killed in battle Friday.
The announcement of his death came amid signs that Israel is scaling back its 27-day-old ground operation in Gaza.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/israel-bombards-gaza-it-searches-soldier
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dhill926
(16,337 posts)sorry about all the dead people...
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The first casualty of war is Truth for all you bloodthirsty apologists out there. They got their excuse to incurr deeper and murder more civilians. Everything in these wars is based on deception all the way back to 13 years ago. It's a tool. And our country is filled with eager consumers of lies whose gullibility knows no bounds. I knew a girl once who borrowed a lot of money and left it in a car which got broken into and stolen. Not only did she have to pay the person back but because it took a while she also had to work for them. Turned out the person who loaned it to her is the one who broke in. Countries are no different than people.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)zonkers
(5,865 posts)
Amonester
(11,541 posts)yet? 
Edit: Soooo tired of the suffering on all sides (stupid, stupid, stupid).
I boycott.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)stop haggling for a minute, folks.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)the soldier was dead. He was in the process of invading another peoples land and killing everything in his path. It's called war. He was not in Israel and captured. He was in Gaza turning hospitals, tunnels, and homes into rubble while shooting anything in his path like the rest of the IDF. I am sickened that the American people will not support the President in standing up to Israeli government.
How much coverage to individual American soldiers get when missing and killed in Iraq, Afghanistan? The media here is sickening and Netanyahu is an evil, barbaric war criminal who rules by deception, lies and intimidation of allies and enemies alike. When will we ever stand up to the him?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Isn't there violence on both sides?
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)is the fact that the reasons for the rockets exist.
When people are treated as sub-human they tend to act that way. Gaza use for tunnels were mostly used to get around the blockade of free-flowing goods into Gaza. Their livelihoods have been eliminated by the Israel blockade. As their lives have deteriorated and their home demolished things got worse. Eliminate the reason for tunnels and you won't have to destroy them. Recognize humanity and live in peace.
onenote
(42,694 posts)December 2, 2001: A suicide bombing on a No. 16 Egged bus in Haifa killed 15 people and injured about 40 people. Hamas claimed responsibility for the Haifa blast, while Hizbullah's radio and television stations expressed support for the attacks.
December 1, 2001: A double suicide bombing at the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem at 11:30 p.m. on a Saturday night killed 11 people, aged 12-21, and injured 188 people. A car bomb exploded 20 minutes later. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 9, 2002: Eleven people were killed and 54 injured, 10 of them seriously, when a suicide bomber exploded at in a crowded cafe at the corner of Aza and Ben-Maimon streets in the Rehavia neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 27, 2002: Twenty-two people were killed and 140 injured - 20 seriously - in a suicide bombing at the Park Hotel in the coastal city of Netanya, in the midst of the Passover holiday seder with 250 guests. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 31, 2002: Fourteen people were killed and more than 40 injured in a suicide bombing in Haifa, in the Matza gas station restaurant near a shopping mall. Several of the injured were in serious to critical condition. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 8, 2002: Three Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were killed, and five were injured when an armed terrorist inflitrated the community of Carmei Tzur, south of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsiblity for the attack.
June 18, 2002: Nineteen people were killed and more than 70 were injured, in a suicide bombing on a bus just outside of Jerusalem. The bus, which was completely destroyed, was traveling from Gilo to Jerusalem and had many students on board. In addition to the bus, at least two other vehicles were severely damaged in the attack. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
August 4, 2002: Nine people were killed and about 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus at the Meron junction in northern Israel. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
September 19, 2002: Six people were killed and 60 wounded when a terrorist detonated a bomb on one of Tel Aviv's busiest streets, in a bus opposite the Great Synagogue. Many of the wounded were in critical or serious condition. Both Islamic Jihad and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
November 21, 2002: Eleven people were killed and 47 injured when a Palestinian suicide bomber exploded on a bus filled with passengers, including schoolchildren, in the Kiryat Menahem neighborhood in Jerusalem. The bus was traveling toward the center of the city during the morning rush hour. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 5, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 30 wounded when a terrorist detonated a powerful bomb on a bus en route to Haifa University. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 5, 2003: Twenty two people were killed and about 120 wounded in a double suicide bombing near the old Central Bus Station in Tel Aviv. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Islamic Jihad and Hamas all claimed responsibility for the attacks.
May 18, 2003: Seven people were killed and more than 20 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus at the start of the Israeli work week. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Soon after, a suicide bomber carrying explosives and dressed in the garb of an ultra-orthodox Jew was stopped at a roadblock. The Palestinian detonated his explosives, killing only himself. Hamas claimed responsibility in both attacks.
May 17, 2003: A pregnant Israeli woman and her husband were killed when a suicide bomber detonated himself next to them in a public square in Hebron. Hamas claimed responsibility.
April 30, 2003: Three people were killed and dozens wounded in a suicide bombing at a beachfront pub in Tel Aviv. The Fatah Tanzim and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out as a joint operation.
June 11, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 80 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus during the afternoon rush hour. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
September 9, 2003: Hamas claimed responsibility for two suicide bombings, the first at an entrance to the Tzrifin army base near Rishon Lezion and the second at Café Hillel in the German colony neighborhood of Jerusalem, which killed a total of 15 people and wounded at least 80.
August 19, 2003: Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing of a bus in Jerusalem killing at least 18 people and wounding nearly 100.
January 14, 2004: A female suicide bomber killed four people and wounded 20 at the Erez Crossing in the Gaza Strip. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
March 14, 2004: Ten people were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing in the area of the Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.
August 31, 2004: Sixteen people, including a 3 year old, were killed and about 100 injured when two buses in Beersheba were attacked within minutes of each other by suicide bombers. Hamas claimed responsibility.
January 13, 2005: Six Israelis were killed and five other civilians were wounded in a double suicide bombing at the Karni crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. The two suicide bombers used a very large explosive device to blast through a defensive wall that separates the Israeli and Palestinian sides at the crossing. Following the blast, the bombers crossed into the Israeli side, carrying explosives on their bodies, which they detonated. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack.
April 17, 2006: Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".
August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in Washington, D.C.
November 15, 2012, 13 Israelis were injured during the night by rocket attacks from Gaza. One rocket struck an apartment in Kiryat Malachi, killing 3 civilians, including a pregnant woman. T5 were injured in the same attack, including children and infants. A house in Ashdod and a school in Ofakim were also struck by rockets.
DLnyc
(2,479 posts)when Israel started this round of bombing:
http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all
The last attack on Gaza, the eight-day Operation Pillar of Defense in November 2012, targeted Hamas leaders and taught a sobering lesson. Hamas hadn’t fired a single rocket since, and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups.
I agree there is violence on both sides, but using the firing of rockets as a justification for Israel's invasion doesn't really seem like the best argument (even though it seems to be repeated in our media over and over).
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)2000s
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2001
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2002–2006
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2007
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2008
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2009
2010s
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2010
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2011
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2012
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2013
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
and for 2014
This is a detailed list of Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks on Israel in 2014. All of the attacks originated in the Gaza Strip, unless stated otherwise. For information pertaining to the wider conflict, see Arab-Israeli conflict and Israeli–Palestinian conflict. This list does not include reports of deaths and injuries caused by Hamas rocket and mortar attacks that fell within Gaza.
On 5 March, the Israeli Navy intercepted a ship containing dozens of long-range rockets being smuggled from Iran to the Gaza Strip.[1]
On 10 March, Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist group that controls the Gaza Strip, unveiled a monument to its rocket attacks on Israeli cities and towns, a life-sized model of an M-75 rocket in Gaza City. The group declared that the attacks "managed to take the battle to the heart of the Zionist entity (Israel)".[2]
On 23 April, Fatah and Hamas signed a reconciliation deal.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014
3,055 rocket attacks in 2014 alone.
Israel built a wall and refused entry to Palestinians (one of the reasons they are accused of Apartheid) to protect against suicide bombers.
Here is the Al-Jazeera story on the wall:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/12/visual-activism-activestillsphotographsthebarrierwall.html
That tells it from the Palestinian point of view.
Here is the Israeli view on the wall:
Before the construction of the fence, and in many places where it has not yet been completed, a terrorist need only walk across an invisible line to cross from the West Bank into Israel. No barriers of any kind exist, so it is easy to see how a barrier, no matter how imperfect, won't at least make the terrorists' job more difficult. Approximately 75 percent ofthe suicide bombers who attacked targets inside Israel came from across the border where the first phase of the fence was built.
This diagram shows why a wall is being built in a few specific places where Palestinian snipers have terrorized motorists.
During the 34 months from the beginning of the violence in September 2000 until the construction of the first continuous segment of the security fence at the end of July 2003, Samaria-based terrorists carried out 73 attacks in which 293 Israelis were killed and 1950 wounded. In the 11 months between the erection of the first segment at the beginning of August 2003 and the end of June 2004, only three attacks were successful, and all three occurred in the first half of 2003.
Since construction of the fence began, the number of attacks has declined by more than 90%. The number of Israelis murdered and wounded has decreased by more than 70% and 85%, respectively, after erection of the fence.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/fence.html
But then the Palestinians shot rockets into Israel over the wall, so Israel built a shield to protect its citizens from the rockets.
Here is the story on the shield.
As soon as US President Barack Obama disembarked from Air Force One on his first visit to Israel last month, an Iron Dome battery was ready for his inspection at Ben Gurion airport.
There could have been few clearer signs of the importance attached to the missile batteries that are the pride of the nation’s defences. If one product has come to define the high-tech military apparatus of Israel Inc, it is the Iron Dome.
The anti-missile defence system shielded the country from a barrage of Qassam and Grad rockets fired from Gaza by Hamas during the eight-day Operation Pillar of Defence in November. Israel’s defence ministry says Iron Dome had a success rate of more than 80 per cent during the operation, in which about 170 Gazan Palestinians and six Israelis died.
Designed to intercept short-range rockets, Iron Dome is the smallest and best-known component of a multilayer anti-missile defence system Israel is building to shoot down ordnance fired from as far away as Iran.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6b120a1e-9883-11e2-867f-00144feabdc0.html
The article is about Obama's 2013 visit to Israel and is dated March 2013.
Here is what set off Israel's current attacks on Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. You don't read about this on DU because it doesn't confirm the DU party line on Palestine and Israel. I probably would not be permitted to post this as an OP because people would read it as pro-Israel when in fact I am trying to be fair.
SUFA, Israel — Israel’s decision to invade Gaza has its roots just outside of this small kibbutz in southern Israel where open fields and citrus orchards offer a pastoral scene that residents say has long been deceptive.
At dawn on Thursday, 13 Hamas gunmen from Gaza emerged from the mouth of an underground tunnel about a mile away, inside Israel territory. The air force thwarted the attack, but the government said that the attempted incursion was the final straw and that the ground invasion would commence.
By Friday, the Israeli military said it had already uncovered 10 tunnels with 22 exit points and that there were dozens more “terror tunnels” spread around Gaza. In a statement, it described tunnels crossing the border from Gaza to Israel as “complex and advanced,” and said they were “intended to carry out attacks such as abductions of Israeli civilians and soldiers alike; infiltrations into Israeli communities, mass murders and hostage-taking scenarios.”
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Gadi Shamni, a former commander of the Israeli Army’s Gaza division and of its central command, said that destroying the tunnels posed a technological and operational challenge and that each of them had offshoots going in different directions, making it difficult to track and disable the whole route.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza-strip-tunnels-led-to-israels-invasion.html?_r=0
That New York Times article on the tunnel invasion was dated July 28, 2014 and was the last straw I guess for Israel. That is why they started bombing and invaded Gaza.
You'd never guess that from DU.
I am rather ashamed at the group-think on DU on this issue. The fact is that the Israelis invested millions of dollars, enormous effort and thought to try to avoid killing innocent Palestinians, and Hamas or the Palestinian terrorists managed to find a way to destroy the fragile peace anyway.
They need to negotiate for peace. Wise people on both sides have tried to do it over and over, and every time, extremists on the Palestinian side, extremists that Palestinians cannot control, destroy the peace.
The Palestinian extremists are the worst enemies not just of Israel but of the Palestinians themselves. Do Palestinians need aid and a good settlement? Yes. But the Israelis need to be free from the constant harassment and criminal activity of the Palestinian extremists -- the terrorists.
That's the only fair view in my opinion.
I think that half of DU has me on ignore by now because I have tried to research this issue and find out what happened and then decided my point of view based on my research. But that's the way the cookie crumbles. I am trying to be fair to both sides when I express my opinion. The Palestinians have to control their extremists if they are to form a prosperous, safe nation.
DLnyc
(2,479 posts)I said:
According to this article in The Jewish Daily Forward, Hamas had sent no rockets for 19 months when Israel started this round of bombing
For one thing, your reply doesn't differentiate Hamas activities from those of other Palestinian groups, which is sort of relevent, since Israel keeps saying their attack is aimed at Hamas. But I particularly take issue with this sentence of yours:
3,055 rocket attacks in 2014 alone.
From the Wikipedia page you quote, 2,874 of those were launched only after Israel began their attack against Gaza.
So during 2014 when Israel started this round of bombing there had been 185 rockets (not 3,055) and, as far as the evidence that I have seen, none of them were launched by Hamas anyway.
I repeat, my understanding is Hamas had not sent any rockets for 19 months when Israel started their latest bombing of Gaza. I think this is a pretty important issue and I would be very interested in hearing you reply directly to this statement, but, with all due respect, I don't really feel your post has done that.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)What difference does it make who shot the rockets into Israel?
No one should shoot rockets into their neighboring country. If they do, they should expect a violent military response.
What would we do if a bunch of Canadians shot 189 rockets into the US? We would shoot back far more rockets than the Canadians shot in. That is what Israel is doing.
Don't shoot unless you want to get shot back. That is just common sense.
You raise the issue that I have been raising. Israel is in a difficult position because it needs peace, but the Palestinians do not seem to have the internal control and discipline over their citizens to be able to insure peace. As long as the Palestinians cannot enforce a peace agreement against their own extremists, any agreement with Israel will be very difficult to negotiate and perhaps impossible to maintain.
No country has to remain peaceful when the citizens of another country attack it. That is just the law of nations. All countries have the right to defend themselves.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)My theory is that the Israelis discovered the tunnels earlier in the year than is reported.
I get most of my news from DU and could not understand from what I read here why in the world Israel was attacking Gaza, so I picked up a local (Los Angeles) Jewish news magazine that is handed out free in our library. Someone just leaves copies on a bench in a public area there. I gathered from reading that the problem was the tunnels.
Remember, Israel built a wall after the Second Intifada -- a peaceful, reasonable solution to the terror attacks.
Israel built a missile shield to defend against the rockets -- a peaceful, reasonable and very expensive solution to the terror attacks.
I can understand that discovering the tunnels or finding someone coming out of them could have set off the current attacks on Gaza.
The tunnels were a final way to circumvent Israel's defenses. One of the tunnel entrances was near a hospital that Israel attacked.
I don't think we are getting a fair report of Israel's motivations on DU. If the tunnel entrances or tunnel facilities are under schools or near schools and hospitals, it is understandable that Israel is trying to destroy the tunnel structures. That is probably why Israel is trying to warn civilians to leave certain areas.
No country has to put up with rockets and tunnels. We shall see what happens next. I am impressed with Israel's attempts with the wall and the shield to respond non-violently to the Palestinians. But the tunnels are a pretty horrible threat.
I have lived near the border of the US and another country. I can imagine how terrifying it is to live next to people who want you dead.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)wanted to do that he would veto that $225 million military aid bill that Congress just passed but he won't.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Use their capture as an excuse for military action when they already knew the truth.
It's sad all round.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)But, hey... If you don't support Israel, you're an anti-semite.
I have much sympathy for the Jewish people. As an atheist, I have more respect for the Jews than any other religion.
With that said, fuck Israel.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)back?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Because Israel needs ALL of Palestine. Even though they were legitimately given a portion, they now need all of it. And they need to round up all the Palestinians, and put them into ghettos... And when the oppressed fight back, it's really Israel that is the oppressed because Nazi Germany... Or some such logic...
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Was it Jesous who said: "Love your ennemies" or is it just for us, by-standers to abide to? 
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Between your hostile use of the reverse ghetto meme, and your professed "respect for the Jews" combined with open hatred for Israel, some people might see a certain pattern and react accordingly.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)
Remember, the Jews are NOT Israel. Just as Muslims are NOT Palestine.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Can't say it doesn't fit the pattern.
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Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)But keep pushing that propaganda.
I'll be standing on the proper side of history when this is over (if it's EVER over).
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)It's been discredited so many times I can't believe anyone continuing to post it doesn't know what they're doing.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In regards to these four, look at the first one. It has that whole area in green labeled "Palestinian land" but it was occupied by the British at the time.
The second map is of a proposed plan that was never implemented - and was, in fact, rejected by the Palestinian side (and all neighboring Arab states).
Had that plan been implemented back in 1947, there would be a free and independent Palestinian state today (which it had never been prior to that date) celebrating over sixty years of independence.
Also, there is an interesting jump to the third map, which, conveniently skips over the nearly twenty years that the West Bank and Gaza were occupied, not by Israel, but by Jordan and Egypt.
This whole sequence is obviously designed for propaganda purposes (and clearly has been effective in that regard) but is more than a little deceptive.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Please note also the labelling on the maps where it refers to land - not governance.
The trouble is those maps do not fit with the narrative of poor little oppressed Israel any more than the terrorist origins of Likud fit with the narrative of peaceful Israel
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Nor do I see how the second paragraph you wrote relates to anything I've written.
Israel is neither peaceful, poor, or oppressed.
If the maps refer to land not governance then the first map needs to be completely redone because it does not accurately reflect what land was owned by Palestinians at that time.
Similarly, the second map would continue to be problematic since it represents a plan/proposal that was rejected by the Palestinian side. It is not a reality.
Also the maps should indicate areas within Israel that are inhabited by the over a million Palestinians who live there (since the maps aren't based on governance).
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Matter of fact, every page I find that is "discrediting" the map is a ratfucking conservative site.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/07/22/beautiful_dream_of_israel_has_become_a_nightmare.html
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Hamas denied that, as well (truthfully, it seems), and also denied capturing a soldier (truthfully, it seems). To be honest I dont think anyone trusts the IDF any more than Hamas to tell the truth any more.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Condolences to his family and friends. He seems a bright light snuffed out. But...WHY is Israel sending Young Soldiers (who don't have much experience) into GAZA?
If I were this soldiers Parents ....I'd be outraged and asking why this very young Soldier was sent into GAZA in the FIRST PLACE.
It's quite awful. You only send Seasoned Troops into a situation like Gaza who know how to deal with a crises situation like this.
Is Israel doing this purposefully or they can't get any "seasoned troops" to go into GAZA because they are sick of it.
Again....a bright light suffered just like our Soldiers have done in Vietnam...through the rest of our "On the Ground Interventions" since then.
Send the YOUNG TO DIE while the old get their Perks in PERPETUAL WAR.
I for this young soldier who was USED for Propagada it seems. (And, All Our Young Soldiers who are USED for War Propaganda)... And ...I hope that HOW he was USED will get attention. So far its all we know of this report...but MSM seemed to show his Photo ....over and over. And, yet...he died in Battle?
Maybe there's more to this than this report...but we don't need more killing and deaths for Propaganda.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)being fired into Israel.
List of rocket attacks into Israel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014
Tbe numbers are old, but you can see that the rocket attacks from Hamas were numerous at times. Is the Israeli retaliation exaggerated" After at least 65 years of aggression on both sides, it is hard to know what is an exaggeration.
Both sides need to negotiate peace.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Now as to these tunnels, the infamous "Terror Tunnels", can you explain to me why, apart from alliteration and publicity effect these are "Terror Tunnels"? Do they sneak up behind folks and go "BOO!"
These "Terror Tunnels" do not seem to have been very well concealed so why could they have not been shut down without the civilian casualties? 10m3 of concrete poured into the exit would work pretty well for that.
hack89
(39,171 posts)There have been smuggling tunnels into Eygpt for years. The tunnels into Israel are very recent and are built for military purposes. They are not easy to find - they are very deep. They are not built with exits - the last portion to the surface is only dug just before the tunnel is used. The only real way to find as many as possible is to find their entrances -which are in Gaza.
SunSeeker
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Calista241
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TwilightGardener
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billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Disgusting And Racist.
hack89
(39,171 posts)onenote
(42,694 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They treat Israeli life as being more valuable and they refer to Palestinians as animals. The entire situation is predicated on this racism. This is obvious to all but those with ties to Israel. We are supposed to weep for one armed soldier who invaded Gaza but not for a thousand innocent civilians...most women and children. People are sick of Israel crying wolf and playing the victim. At this point they are repulsed by the obscenity of the Israeli perspective.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)I heard about all the bombing that Israel was doing after the capture my thought was that they would kill the soldier. If only to stop the bombing. I just didn't understand why it was being treated as a kidnapping or abduction rather than a prisoner. If you say that..OK, Hamas has a prisoner then you leave open the option that the soldier is treated like a prisoner and negotiations can start. If it is treated as an abduction the only recourse is for them to get rid of the goods...so to speak.
Now it turns out he died in battle? I just don't get it.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)innocent people and to destroy more infrastructure. Just ask yourself: if Israel thought for an instant that the supposed was "kidnapped" and alive, why would they be bombing the hell out of the places where they thought he was being held? And warring men on the ground in another peoples' land, killing innocent people cannot be kidnapped. They can be captured and killed or captured and held. This young man is no different and I blame Netanyahu for his death just as I blamed Bush for all the soldiers we lost in the Iraq invasion.
onenote
(42,694 posts)killed at the same time?
Really?
And if they knew at the time Goldin had been killed (and the first statement by Hamas was that they had captured a soldier in the attack) why would they say anything different now? Why not let the world continue to believe Hamas had a captive?
Looking forward to your response.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)I feel worse for them because he was used as a pawn in the Israeli disinformation effort.
jakeXT
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bemildred
(90,061 posts)Yesterday, I reported that Hamas fighters had captured 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin in a Gaza ambush. I also reported that Hamas said it had lost contact with the team that captured Goldin and that the team and Goldin were presumed dead. My Israeli source revealed that the IDF survivors of the ambush had shot both Goldin and the Palestinian who tried to drag his wounded body away. The Hannibal Directive had been invoked, meaning the army used every means at its disposal, including murder, to prevent the taking of its soldiers.
Today, Walla confirmed via the IDF that Goldin is dead. At first the army only admitted it knew this based on “DNA evidence.” But I believed it had his body. This was confirmed by this subsequent Ynet report that it did have his body and that his funeral would be tomorrow. It is critical that there be an autopsy to determine the cause of his death. But I don’t believe the IDF will allow it because it knows what it will find.
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/08/02/idf-censor-tells-ny-times-it-cannot-report-it-killed-2nd-lt-hadar-goldin/
onenote
(42,694 posts)The idea that he has inside information about what took place is laughable on its face. I swear, I wasn't here at the time, but I expect that there are a lot of folks that believed everything Baghdad Bob had to say.
politicman
(710 posts)200+ children killed
2,500 children injured.
How can anyone even attempt to argue that this is not a massacre of civilians?
