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Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 12:43 PM Aug 2014

Gov. Christie Shifted Pension Cash to Wall Street, Costing New Jersey Taxpayers $3.8 Billion

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@davidsirota: Docs show @GovChristie's move to give Wall St pension cash has cost taxpayers $3.8B - or $1200 for every NJ household http://t.co/JFnwBSgI3t/s/1juV

Gov. Christie Shifted Pension Cash to Wall Street, Costing New Jersey Taxpayers $3.8 Billion

By David Sirota@davidsirotad.sirota@ibtimes.com

on August 25 2014 8:16 AM

Gov. Chris Christie's administration openly acknowledged that more New Jersey taxpayer dollars were going to land in the coffers of major financial institutions. It was 2010, and Christie had just installed a longtime private equity executive, Robert Grady, to manage the state's pension money. Grady promoted a plan to put more of those funds into riskier investments managed by Wall Street firms. Though this would entail higher fees, Grady said the strategy would "maximize returns while appropriately managing risk."

Four years later, New Jersey has secured only half the promised results. The state has sent more pension money to big-name Wall Street firms like Blackstone, Third Point, Omega Advisors, Elliott Associates and Grady's old firm, The Carlyle Group. Additionally, the amount of fees the state pays financial managers has more than tripled since Christie assumed office. New Jersey is now one of America’s largest investors in hedge funds.

The “maximized returns” have yet to materialize.

Between fiscal year 2011 and 2014, the state’s pension trailed the median returns for similarly sized public pension systems throughout the country, according to data from the financial analysis firm, Wilshire Associates. That below-median performance has cost New Jersey taxpayers billions in unrealized gains and has left the pension system on shaky ground. Meanwhile, New Jersey is now paying a quarter-billion dollars in additional annual fees to Wall Street firms -- many of whose employees have financially supported Republican groups backing Christie’s reelection campaign.


Between 2009 and 2013, New Jersey has paid an additional $439 million in fees to Wall Street International Business TImes/Hanna Sender
Those who originally opposed the state's shifting of pension funds into hedge funds, private equity, venture capital, real estate and other “alternative investments” see the below-average returns as no accident but an inevitable byproduct of the strategy: The Christie administration has effectively taken money from retired state workers and delivered the cash to Wall Street money managers.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/gov-christie-shifted-pension-cash-wall-street-costing-new-jersey-taxpayers-38-billion-1667622

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Gov. Christie Shifted Pension Cash to Wall Street, Costing New Jersey Taxpayers $3.8 Billion (Original Post) Hissyspit Aug 2014 OP
In this case 401K would have been much better for employees than a pension. cbdo2007 Aug 2014 #1
Maybe he could settle for $12 billion and avoid a prosecution and prison like everyone else? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #2
Talk about closing down casinos in New Jersey, sounds like Christie opened up his very own.... tomm2thumbs Aug 2014 #3
Harrumph. My investment advisor is Warren Buffett, and Warren Buffett says.... mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2014 #4
Christie is only doing the job he was paid to do. PeoViejo Aug 2014 #5
christie is worse than i would have ever thought samsingh Aug 2014 #6
Pension funds have no business being placed in risky investments to begin with,,,,,,, benld74 Aug 2014 #7
This is part of Citizen's United BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #8
I think the Ohio Governor... ReRe Aug 2014 #16
It is robbing the coffers of the state and there should be a law against it! BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #18
JAFRSFM lark Aug 2014 #9
Well sure, but the Wall Streeters deserve that money. They work hard, ya know? Scuba Aug 2014 #10
Momentary dyslexia for me on that headline IDemo Aug 2014 #11
Slush fund for Wall Street. nt wolfie001 Aug 2014 #12
Christie, did you do that? You dumb fuck, you. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #13
LOL, an expensive game of hot potato, little more. closeupready Aug 2014 #14
I believe former NJ Gov. Christine Whitman (R) also dipped into state pension funds somehow LiberalEsto Aug 2014 #15
This is my future this clown is playing with. bklyncowgirl Aug 2014 #17
Did hedge fund traders/owner, Marc & Chelsea Mezvinksky get some of that action? Divernan Aug 2014 #19
Good, well sourced background / analysis piece, but not Late Breaking News. Locking. pinto Aug 2014 #20

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
1. In this case 401K would have been much better for employees than a pension.
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 12:48 PM
Aug 2014

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Maybe he could settle for $12 billion and avoid a prosecution and prison like everyone else?
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 12:49 PM
Aug 2014

Make defined pension plans mandatory, start with the federal government and all major contractors, everything else is a crap shoot.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
3. Talk about closing down casinos in New Jersey, sounds like Christie opened up his very own....
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 12:50 PM
Aug 2014

Time to close that idiot's cash vacuum down!

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,851 posts)
4. Harrumph. My investment advisor is Warren Buffett, and Warren Buffett says....
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 12:50 PM
Aug 2014
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For younger members, this is where that line came from:



or, for fans of tube socks:

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
5. Christie is only doing the job he was paid to do.
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 12:52 PM
Aug 2014

By Wall Street and Corporate America.

samsingh

(18,426 posts)
6. christie is worse than i would have ever thought
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 12:55 PM
Aug 2014

benld74

(10,285 posts)
7. Pension funds have no business being placed in risky investments to begin with,,,,,,,
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 01:09 PM
Aug 2014

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
8. This is part of Citizen's United
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 01:17 PM
Aug 2014

I'm sure he's not the only one. I hope they investigate Walker because there's no doubt he's doing it. And they're all too stupid to figure it out for themselves so there is probably some "group" behind it. It should be fucking ILLEGAL!!!!!!

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
16. I think the Ohio Governor...
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:25 PM
Aug 2014

... was involved in this kind of stuff before he became governor. Lots of other states have done it. Somebody chime in if you remember other states, or parties to this abhorrent bait-and-switch. It's what the Repubs want to do with Social Security.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
18. It is robbing the coffers of the state and there should be a law against it!
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:31 PM
Aug 2014

But sadly, no. Those bankers got a great deal. A few hundred grand or probably less than a million and hundreds of millions in return. Politicians: the best investment ever.

lark

(26,081 posts)
9. JAFRSFM
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 01:22 PM
Aug 2014

Just another fucking Repug stealing folks money

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. Well sure, but the Wall Streeters deserve that money. They work hard, ya know?
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 02:28 PM
Aug 2014

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
11. Momentary dyslexia for me on that headline
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 02:34 PM
Aug 2014

Read it as "Gov. Shiftie".

wolfie001

(7,667 posts)
12. Slush fund for Wall Street. nt
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 02:57 PM
Aug 2014

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
13. Christie, did you do that? You dumb fuck, you.
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:17 PM
Aug 2014

3.8 billion? That's some serious tax payer money you wasted there, bud. Better rethink this presidential run thing.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
14. LOL, an expensive game of hot potato, little more.
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:22 PM
Aug 2014

Where state workers literally paid Wall Street bankers to play lucrative games with their retirement money - courtesy of Christie, of course.

If you were dishonest, greedy, and in banking, wouldn't you also want in on this? I mean, isn't it clear what the game is here? OBVIOUSLY state workers haven't gotten the returns they were promised - they were never going to make those returns.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
15. I believe former NJ Gov. Christine Whitman (R) also dipped into state pension funds somehow
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:24 PM
Aug 2014

One of my close friends -- a former high school classmate -- is a teacher in NJ and is now approaching retirement age. She is afraid there won't be any pensions for her or her colleagues.

This kind of cavalier looting of EARNED pension money should be prosecuted, and those responsible should be sent to prison.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
17. This is my future this clown is playing with.
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:26 PM
Aug 2014

I'm not surprised of course. Republican governors have always regarded our pension funds as some sort of piggy bank.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
19. Did hedge fund traders/owner, Marc & Chelsea Mezvinksky get some of that action?
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:40 PM
Aug 2014

Yes - looking at you Chelsea & Mark. How many hedge funds which you administered were ripped off to finance that $10 million dollar apartment?

NEW YORK — Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton has joined Avenue Capital Group, a $12 billion hedge fund manager whose founder has contributed to many Democratic Party campaigns, a person familiar with the matter said Friday.

Clinton, 26, the only child of former President Bill Clinton and U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, has taken a post at the New York-based fund manager in an undisclosed capacity, the source said.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15549672/ns/business-us_business/t/chelsea-clinton-joins-new-york-hedge-fund/#.U_uPSaN5uSo

The 33-year-old husband of Chelsea Clinton created a mini media firestorm early this year when news came that he left his job at New York hedge fund 3G Capital before the holidays to take an extended ski vacation in Jackson Hole, Wyo. Mezvinsky has "decided to spearhead his own private [hedge] fund with two other guys," and ideally will launch the company in the next few months.

To help get the job done, the source adds that Mezvinksy will team up with "two guys from Goldman Sachs," the investment banking mammoth where he worked from 2002 to 2008 (before joining 3G).
What's unclear is whether his intended partners are current or former members of the investment banking firm that Rolling Stone writer Matt Taibbi famously dubbed a "great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity."
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/chelsea-clinton-husband-marc-mezvinsky-opts-start-private-hedge-fund-year-source-article-1.141086

The Hedge Fund Ripoff
There is no doubt that hedge-fund managers have been good at making money for themselves. Many of America’s recently minted billionaires grew rich from hedge clippings. But as a new book by Simon Lack, who spent many years studying hedge funds at JPMorgan, points out, it is hard to think of any clients that have become rich by investing in hedge funds (whereas Warren Buffett has made millionaires of many of his original investors). Indeed, since 1998, the effective return to hedge-fund clients has only been 2.1% a year, half the return they could have achieved by investing in boring old Treasury bills.


Insofar as hedge fund managers are just running a scam where one class of rich people rips off another class of rich people, I'm not sure there's anything systematically problematic about this. But a large share of the money invested in hedge funds seems to come from foundation endowments and pension funds. That in turn makes me wonder to what extent some of the dysfunctional aspects of the financial system can be traced back to dysfunctional governance of those institutions.

The big picture point here is that investment strategies, on average, can't outperform the economy as a whole over the long run. People find that disappointing and are always excited about the news that one asset class or another has done much better than that over some medium-range period of time. But by the time the word is out that stocks are a great investment, or that hedge funds can get you 8 percent returns, or whatever else it is it's probably already too late. Hedge funds had their best moment before they got famous. Once everyone's rushed in, it's too late.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/01/21/the_hedge_fund_ripoff.html

pinto

(106,886 posts)
20. Good, well sourced background / analysis piece, but not Late Breaking News. Locking.
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 03:46 PM
Aug 2014

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