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(946 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:08 PM Aug 2014

ISIS: Italy Steps Up Security After Reports that Pope Francis Might Be a Target of the Terror Group

Source: hngn

After the Vatican dismissed earlier reports this week claiming that Pope Francis might be a target of the Islamic State militant group, otherwise known as ISIS, new reports state increasing concern for the pontiff's -and the public's - safety, The Daily Beast reported.

In an article published Monday, Il Tempo reported that the pope is a target of ISIS, citing an unnamed Italian intelligence source. The pope, who is considered the "the greatest exponent of the Christian religions" and the "bearer of false truths" by ISIS, is "in the crosshairs of ISIS," Il Tempo reported, adding that the extremist group plans to "raise the level of confrontation" by attacking Italy and greater Europe.
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"ISIS could launch terrorist attacks on what they referred to as 'sensitive targets' in Rome and elsewhere, specifically pinpointing embassies to both Italy and the Holy See, Catholic churches, bus and train stations, sea ports, airports and travel agencies," according to The Daily Beast. "Other security measures include restricting air space above Vatican City and Italy's foreign ministry, in addition to stepped-up police presence in public transportation hubs and busy tourist sites like the Coliseum, the Spanish Steps and St. Peter's Square."
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Meanwhile, at least five suspected potential jihad fighters have been arrested this week as they were preparing to leave for Iraq. In a new report, at least 50 Italians are now known to be fighting with ISIS, 80 percent of whom are "very Italian" and 20 percent are sons of immigrants, dispelling fears among Italians that a spike in illegal immigration has somehow played a role in the recruitment of young people, Italy's Corriere della Sera newspaper reported.

Read more: http://www.hngn.com/articles/40924/20140831/isis-target-pope-francis-update-italy-steps-up-security-multiple.htm

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ISIS: Italy Steps Up Security After Reports that Pope Francis Might Be a Target of the Terror Group (Original Post) bloomington-lib Aug 2014 OP
I'll bet ISIS headquarters looks something like this PSPS Aug 2014 #1
Ha, ha, ha -- I well remember those "paranoid days". . . Journeyman Sep 2014 #5
Baseless and unfounded? The families of the 4000 victims of 9.11 disagree. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #9
It's only baseless and unfounded until it happens Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #10
So do you want to the full 9/11 report to be released? CJCRANE Sep 2014 #13
Absolutely. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #15
That picture left out the... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #6
ISIS doesn't like anybody else . . . Brigid Aug 2014 #2
Because Italy's police forces Helen Borg Sep 2014 #7
Crack down on what? cbayer Sep 2014 #8
They are probably funded by the christian right and conservative American catholics n/t albino65 Aug 2014 #3
They are probably laughing at all the people murielm99 Aug 2014 #4
Funny how we always comply. Chemisse Sep 2014 #12
Is this fear mongering ? Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #11
Why not just cut the purse strings CJCRANE Sep 2014 #14
We are trying. But ISIS is largely funded by the ransoms paid by other countries. pnwmom Sep 2014 #16
We need to try harder. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #17
The source is the other countries' ransoms. How are we supposed to stop that? n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #18
That's putting the cart before the horse. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #19
So who do we go to war with to stop the money at the source? Lurks Often Sep 2014 #20
You don't need to go to war with anyone. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #21
Which we would have done already if we had access to those bank accounts. Lurks Often Sep 2014 #22
That's an assumption rather than a fact. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #23
It's pretty likely that the US knows who is funding ISIS Lurks Often Sep 2014 #25
We're not unwilling. It's a matter of a different banking system: freshwest Sep 2014 #26
Far too many here see the US and the President as all powerful Lurks Often Sep 2014 #27
Reminds me of 2003 locks Sep 2014 #24
NOW we'll find out whose God is stronger! GliderGuider Sep 2014 #28

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
1. I'll bet ISIS headquarters looks something like this
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:16 PM
Aug 2014


Probably moved in after bin Laden's lease expired. They will have to embellish the drawing, though. Besides changing the title, they will have to create a secret buried runway for their air force and another chamber for all of their nuclear missiles, or something. After all, it has been 13 years. There must have been some upgrading by now.

Journeyman

(15,024 posts)
5. Ha, ha, ha -- I well remember those "paranoid days". . .
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:28 AM
Sep 2014

and today seems an eerie echo of that fear, as baseless and unfounded as the previous paranoia proved.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
4. They are probably laughing at all the people
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:36 PM
Aug 2014

scurrying around being afraid of them. That is what terrorists do - spread fear.

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
12. Funny how we always comply.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:12 AM
Sep 2014

At least it's probably pretty funny to them. I'm not particularly amused.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
16. We are trying. But ISIS is largely funded by the ransoms paid by other countries.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:07 PM
Sep 2014

The US and Britain don't pay the ransoms, but other countries do. ISIS wanted more than $100 million this time, and they didn't get it. Hence, we lost the hostage.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
17. We need to try harder.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:09 PM
Sep 2014

What would happen if we stopped it at source?

We might have some money to spend on our own infrastructure, imagine that!

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
19. That's putting the cart before the horse.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

They didn't grow from nothing from ransoms. That's a sideline.



 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
20. So who do we go to war with to stop the money at the source?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:45 PM
Sep 2014

I don't see any country willing to found ISIS being particularly interested in listening to the United States telling them to stop.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
21. You don't need to go to war with anyone.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:53 PM
Sep 2014

You can freeze bank accounts with the push of a few buttons.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
23. That's an assumption rather than a fact.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:56 PM
Sep 2014

Both Hagel and Dempsey mentioned that it was "well-funded" but they didn't mention where the funding came from or if they had tried to stem it or if they were going to stem it.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
25. It's pretty likely that the US knows who is funding ISIS
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:15 PM
Sep 2014

even if they aren't going to say who in public. Which means either that we are unwilling to block those funds or are unable to block the fund.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
26. We're not unwilling. It's a matter of a different banking system:
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 02:22 AM
Sep 2014
ISIS Is Likely Receiving Funding From People Living In Countries Allied With The US

...In Kuwait, donors have taken advantage of weak terror financing control laws to funnel hundreds of millions of dollars to various Syrian rebel groups, including ISIS, according to a December 2013 report by The Brookings Institution, which receives some funding from the government of Qatar.*

“Over the last two and a half years, Kuwait has emerged as a financing and organizational hub for charities and individuals supporting Syria’s myriad rebel groups," the report said, adding that money from donors in other gulf nations is collected in Kuwait before traveling through Turkey or Jordan to reach the insurgents.

“Everybody knows the money is going through Kuwait and that it’s coming from the Arab Gulf,” Andrew Tabler, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, told The Daily Beast. “Kuwait’s banking system and its money changers have long been a huge problem because they are a major conduit for money to extremist groups in Syria and now Iraq...”

U.S. officials have stated that they are "eye-to-eye" with Saudi Arabia on the importance of stopping these donations. The Saudi government views the organization as a threat to the kingdom's security, and made private donations to ISIS illegal when it designated them as a terrorist organization in March...


http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-funding-us-allies-2014-6

There's A Theory Saudi Arabia Funds The ISIS Extremists Taking Over Iraq — Here's Why It's Wrong


...Yet questions continue to arise about Saudi financial support to the group. Addressing these questions requires a better understanding of three issues: the scope of official Saudi government support to ISIS, if any; government allowance of private donations to the group; and the relative importance of Saudi donations compared to the group's other sources of income...

To be sure, many governments in the region and beyond sometimes fund inimical parties to help achieve particular policy objectives. Riyadh has taken pleasure in recent ISIS-led Sunni advances against Iraq's Shiite government, and in jihadist gains in Syria at Bashar al-Assad's expense. Nevertheless, official financing of the group may be precluded by Riyadh's perception that the ISIS terrorist threat is immediate and serious (though it would not be surprising to learn of limited, perhaps indirect contact, logistical coordination to further Sunni positions in Syria and beyond, or leaking of funds and materiel from Saudi-supported rebels to ISIS)...

There is a misconception that the kingdom does not get in the way of private Saudi financing of terrorist groups operating in Syria, including ISIS. Yet one of Riyadh's most observable counter-terrorism financing activities is its monitoring of the country's formal financial sector in order to block suspect donations. Indeed, social media fundraising campaigns highlight the challenges of sending such funds from Saudi Arabia to Syria. To ensure that their contributions actually reach Syria, Saudi donors are encouraged to send their money to Kuwait, long considered one of the most permissive terrorism financing environments in the Persian Gulf...

Today, Saudi citizens continue to represent a significant funding source for Sunni groups operating in Syria. Arab Gulf donors as a whole -- of which Saudis are believed to be the most charitable -- have funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Syria in recent years, including to ISIS and other groups. There is support for ISIS in Saudi Arabia, and the group directly targets Saudis with fundraising campaigns, so Riyadh could do much more to limit private funding. U.S. officials have hinted that a combination of politics, logistics, and limited capabilities have impeded more effective Saudi efforts to counter terrorism financing. One particularly difficult problem is how to monitor cash transfers, a method common among Saudi donors...


http://www.businessinsider.com/theory-that-saudi-arabia-funds-isis-2014-6

*Interesting little note there, may create bias, and then again, maybe it means nothing.

One reason we cannot control this is the Islamic banking system. They don't use dollars, pounds or Euros. Western banks aren't in this chain.

No one can force them to stop funding ISIS or their actions in Syria, etc. by international law. It's their money and can't be taken away.

As the BI article says, some may be using ISIS as a tool to change the world to what they want.

From the Wikipedia page on it:

Islamic banking

Islamic banking (Arabic: المصرفية الإسلامية?, Persian: بانکداری اسلامی? is banking or banking activity that is consistent with the principles of sharia and its practical application through the development of Islamic economics. As such, a more correct term for 'Islamic banking' is 'Sharia compliant finance'...

By 2009, there were over US$822 billion assets being managed in over 300 banks and 250 mutual funds around the world complying with Islamic principles.[4] As of 2005, sharia compliant financial institutions represented approximately 0.5% of total world assets...[5]

And interesting item in this article:

The Vatican has put forward the idea that "the principles of Islamic finance may represent a possible cure for ailing markets."[23] The Catholic Church has always forbade usury, but in recent centuries has been forced to tolerate it due to non-Catholic capitalist dominance of the Western world...

A lot of stuff at the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_banking&printable=yes

Kerry, et al, have visited the various countries to encourage more control, but their banking system is set up in such a way that it is very private. So the facts lie more with our being unable, not being unwilling, IMO.

I don't ascribe to LIHOP as some seek to explain these things and stop looking for the reality of the situation because it's too complicated. We'll never know it all. Just part of the world's lovely cluster fornication.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
27. Far too many here see the US and the President as all powerful
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:52 AM
Sep 2014

and don't quite seem to comprehend that other countries, even nominal allies. won't automatically do anything we ask.

locks

(2,012 posts)
24. Reminds me of 2003
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:02 PM
Sep 2014

when Bush pulled out all the stops to convince all of us and our allies that
Iraq was the sane world's worst enemy, wanted to destroy the US, and couldn't be stopped unless the "coalition of nations" went to war. No matter how many of us protested around the world even the Dems went along and have regretted it ever since.

It will be even easier now for the warmongers still around, like crazy Cheney and FOXnews, and our allies like the UK and Canada that have moved so far to the right, to convince us that the Islam State terrorists will soon be dropping nuclear bombs on the Empire State building. Or at least Iowa.

Yeah, we know there are bad guys in our world, we're surrounded by them, but there still will be even if we destroy the entire middle east and Russia to save them from the terrorists.

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