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kpete

(71,954 posts)
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:11 PM Sep 2014

Girl Said Uzi Was Too Much For Her

Source: AP

PHOENIX (AP) — A 9-year-old girl who accidentally killed an instructor with an Uzi at an Arizona shooting range said immediately after the shooting that she felt the gun was too much for her and had hurt her shoulder, according to police reports released Tuesday.

Her family members were focused on the girl because they thought she was injured by the gun's recoil and didn't immediately realize instructor Charles Vacca had been shot until one of his colleagues ran over to him.

The family, whose hometown hasn't been revealed by investigators, had taken a shuttle on Aug. 25 from Las Vegas about 60 miles south to the Last Stop range in White Hills, Arizona.

The report did not say why the family had gone to the range or why they let the girl handle the Uzi.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-girl-said-uzi-was-too-much-her

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Girl Said Uzi Was Too Much For Her (Original Post) kpete Sep 2014 OP
Full story in this month's issue of DUH! Magazine. KamaAina Sep 2014 #1
In case it was not obvious already... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #2
What is wrong with her parents? bigtonka Sep 2014 #3
The parents are law abiding patriots who wanted to prepare their little precious for the FEMA camps Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #8
They didn't notice the instructor was shot in the head? bigworld Sep 2014 #4
gunshot,blood, instructor laying on the ground? They didn't immediately know he was hurt? SummerSnow Sep 2014 #5
Next on Obvious News Aerows Sep 2014 #6
Thank you, Captain Obvious. Anyone with two neurons to rub together valerief Sep 2014 #7
Gun instructors need to have psychological clearance...but this was the only guy in all of America Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #9
Unfortunately smiley Sep 2014 #10
You have a point... JohnnyRingo Sep 2014 #15
exactly smiley Sep 2014 #20
It was on her bucket list Politicalboi Sep 2014 #11
I would venture to guess an Uzi would be too much for ME davidpdx Sep 2014 #12
The UZI is not difficult to shoot for an adult PeoViejo Sep 2014 #14
The mini uzi is difficult for adults, too. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #18
... PeoViejo Sep 2014 #22
Agree. Problem not so much an Uzi, problem is with fully automatic. harun Sep 2014 #21
I particularly like the "after riding in a monster truck" detail Tom Ripley Sep 2014 #13
Hahaha JohnnyRingo Sep 2014 #16
The Katniss Effect. nt TeamPooka Sep 2014 #17
The Guns As Toys Effect. (nt) Paladin Sep 2014 #23
I feel for the girl Marrah_G Sep 2014 #19
Exat what rights Jeneral2885 Sep 2014 #24
You seem confused. ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #25

bigtonka

(28 posts)
3. What is wrong with her parents?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:41 PM
Sep 2014

They have saddled their child with a heavy weight because of their irresponsible, foolish behavior.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. The parents are law abiding patriots who wanted to prepare their little precious for the FEMA camps
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 06:56 PM
Sep 2014

Obama will send her parents to any day now, and now she can rescue them.

The NRA and Fox and their own political representatives say so. Not to mention hate radio, so they know what's up.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
7. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Anyone with two neurons to rub together
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 06:54 PM
Sep 2014

knows children shouldn't handle Uzis. In fact, most people shouldn't handle Uzis. I guess only INSANE people like that gun range staff and the kid's parents think otherwise.

(No offense to insane people.)

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Gun instructors need to have psychological clearance...but this was the only guy in all of America
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:00 PM
Sep 2014

to be so irresponsible I am sure.

And surely no more such irresponsible parents exist....Burgers and Bullets is just an aberration, nothing to see here folks.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
10. Unfortunately
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:22 PM
Sep 2014

The person who is the most responsible for this incident is the one who is now dead. I don't feel the parent's are legally responsible here, but I would definitely question their judgement on this decision, and on their decision to attend the monster truck rally.

JohnnyRingo

(18,614 posts)
15. You have a point...
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:03 AM
Sep 2014

As a supposed expert he should have foreseen the expected the recoil and climb to the left... exactly where he was standing.

Having said that, what happened to bb guns and single shot rimfire guns for preteens? Maybe they planned to go from there to the 3" magnum 12 gauge street sweeper and see how she did with that.

Bad judgement abounds.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
20. exactly
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:12 AM
Sep 2014

My dad started me out when I was 9 or 10 shooting a BB gun. I didn't fire a real gun until I was 12, when I was legally allowed to hunt and I had to take a hunter safety class first. I remember the first time I felt the recoil of a gun. My shoulder was black and blue for a month. How anyone didn't see this predictable outcome is beyond comprehension.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
11. It was on her bucket list
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:29 PM
Sep 2014

So said one of the owners or employees of the gun range on Chris Hayes show. He actually used that term Bucket list. She's 9.

Now, I don't know if she has a fatal disease.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
12. I would venture to guess an Uzi would be too much for ME
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

to handle (and I'm a pretty big guy). Whatever possessed the parents to let allow a very petite 9 year old girl shoot a gun I have no idea.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
14. The UZI is not difficult to shoot for an adult
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:25 PM
Sep 2014

Actually, the recoil is quite mild with generic 9mm ammunition. Using the hotter ammunition designed for submachine guns is more problematic, but not difficult. The weapon is quite heavy, so most of the recoil is absorbed by the bolt and associated parts during firing.
Someone who isn't used to firing a fully automatic weapon would likely panic and get a death-grip on the trigger until the magazine is empty. I suspect that's what happened here.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
18. The mini uzi is difficult for adults, too.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:27 AM
Sep 2014

The full-size uzi being bigger and heavier is easier to shoot for both kids and adults.

harun

(11,348 posts)
21. Agree. Problem not so much an Uzi, problem is with fully automatic.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 08:28 AM
Sep 2014

Have the wrong leverage, balance or technique and you are in trouble.

There is no gun I would shoot on fully automatic mode until I trained with it first firing a shot at a time, then three at a time, etc.

I'm 6'2 and shoot nearly every weekend.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
13. I particularly like the "after riding in a monster truck" detail
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:19 PM
Sep 2014

I guess Branson just didn't have enough attractions for kids. And Myrtle Beach was too far away.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
19. I feel for the girl
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 12:56 AM
Sep 2014

Because of the actions of her parents and the instructor she will have to live with the fact that she killed someone for the rest of her life.

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
24. Exat what rights
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:19 PM
Sep 2014

are achieved by letting anyone of any age fire a single weapon? When nine or nineteen or ninety years old, does firing a weapon help protect yourself from a tyrannical government that so far has yet to exist (although some people think Democrats are tyrannical)? What about a nuclear weapon armed government since 1945? How does a nine year old with a Uzi stop a hypothetical "tyrannical government" from nuking you?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
25. You seem confused.
Wed Sep 3, 2014, 06:08 PM
Sep 2014

> [Exactly] what rights are achieved by letting anyone of any age fire a single weapon?

No rights are achieved by it. Your 2A rights do get exercised by it. Most folks do it because it is fun, not as some protest against the government.

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