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FSogol

(45,481 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:24 PM Sep 2014

Lawmaker to introduce bill to end NFL’s tax-exempt status because of Redskins name

Source: Washington Post

Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) announced Tuesday that she will introduce legislation to eliminate the NFL’s tax-exempt status because of its refusal to address the name of the Washington Redskins.

Flanked by several tribal chiefs, Cantwell, who is the former chair of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, condemned the team’s name as a slur against Native Americans.

“The NFL needs to join the rest of Americans in the 21st century,” she said. “It is about right and wrong.”

Cantwell made her remarks at a press conference called by a coalition of Native American and social justice groups leading the campaign against the Redskins’ name.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nfl-owners-are-asked-to-force-redskins-owner-dan-snyder-to-change-teams-name/2014/09/15/cfcd58ce-3d18-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html?wpisrc=nl_buzz&wpmm=1



Article by Ian Shapira.
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Lawmaker to introduce bill to end NFL’s tax-exempt status because of Redskins name (Original Post) FSogol Sep 2014 OP
ow about just ending it because these things are for for profit companies? n/t hollysmom Sep 2014 #1
That was my thought too. End it because they don't need a tax break, they are earning billions. FSogol Sep 2014 #2
The teams do pay taxes. former9thward Sep 2014 #35
Wrong. The NFL (the non profit enity) brings in just under 15 billion per year. FSogol Sep 2014 #37
What are the business expenses? former9thward Sep 2014 #38
Ok, but don't pretend that a gross of $15 billion isn't a lot. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #40
I am not pretending anything. former9thward Sep 2014 #41
Yeah, our tax laws and loopholes are f'ed up. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #42
That's not true Sgent Sep 2014 #45
Here you go, nonbeliever: FSogol Sep 2014 #46
Read the update Sgent Sep 2014 #47
So? If you look around the web, there is no agreement on what the actual numbers are. The update FSogol Sep 2014 #48
Exactly! Plucketeer Sep 2014 #5
The NBA, MLB, and NHL are not non-profit organizations. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #6
Well - there ya go! Plucketeer Sep 2014 #25
The only time I ever pray customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #43
My Thought EXACTLY! elzenmahn Sep 2014 #7
The NFL itself (the league office) is tax exempt. hughee99 Sep 2014 #29
well giving your self a huge salary is not exactly not making a profit. hollysmom Sep 2014 #34
I agree and the league offices have big salaries hughee99 Sep 2014 #36
You are way low on your numbers. This info was leaked a few years back: FSogol Sep 2014 #39
I read the article and the pdf. hughee99 Sep 2014 #44
While she's at it, why doesn't she take on baseball's antitrust exemption? KamaAina Sep 2014 #3
Why the problem with the antitrust exemption? FSogol Sep 2014 #4
I was merely following her reasoning to its logical conclusion. KamaAina Sep 2014 #9
Really? What city/team? n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #13
San Jose; the A's. KamaAina Sep 2014 #16
Oh, should have guessed, Oakland. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #17
I think he could move the 'A's to Fremont cojoel Sep 2014 #28
That was floated years ago KamaAina Sep 2014 #30
"Prevent Billionaire Owners from Moving Teams..." elzenmahn Sep 2014 #10
You are confused. The NFL does not have an anti-trust exemption. Only baseball does. Only one team FSogol Sep 2014 #12
There is absolutly no legitimate reason for the NFL to be tax exempt period. appleannie1 Sep 2014 #8
The NFL - or any other sports league, for that matter. elzenmahn Sep 2014 #11
Only the NFL is classified as non-profit. No other professional league enjoys FSogol Sep 2014 #15
Agreed. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #14
Exactly!!! denvine Sep 2014 #32
is the NCAA non-profit? ...nt quadrature Sep 2014 #18
Yes. They are not a professional sports league. n/t FSogol Sep 2014 #19
but there is no difference, except for that.. both are bad ..nt quadrature Sep 2014 #23
Except that the NCAA is promoting a number of amateur collegiate sports that would never turn FSogol Sep 2014 #27
how the hell are they tax exempt in the first place? yurbud Sep 2014 #20
It's a setup similar to a SuperPAC KamaAina Sep 2014 #24
About time! tosh Sep 2014 #21
Tax exemption for the NFL is absurd, period. mountain grammy Sep 2014 #22
Nonsense. nt ladjf Sep 2014 #26
Their tax exempt status should be eliminated Faux pas Sep 2014 #31
And don't forget about the Thugs warrant46 Sep 2014 #33
Cory the Tory has chimed in; he pegs it to domestic violence! KamaAina Sep 2014 #49

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
35. The teams do pay taxes.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:41 PM
Sep 2014

The league office does not. If the bill became law the amount of taxes paid would be minor.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
37. Wrong. The NFL (the non profit enity) brings in just under 15 billion per year.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:49 PM
Sep 2014

I like football too, but they aren't a charity and should pay their fair share.

PS. I do know the teams pay taxes, I mentioned that elsewhere in this thread.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
38. What are the business expenses?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:53 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know. I don't have their tax form but I really suspect they would not be paying taxes on $15 billion. That said I agree all sports should pay their taxes.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
41. I am not pretending anything.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:04 PM
Sep 2014

There are huge corporations like GE that gross 140-150 billion and don't pay taxes.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
45. That's not true
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:54 AM
Sep 2014

The league office only brings in dues paid by the teams. Licensing, broadcast rights, etc. go through other, taxable entities.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
48. So? If you look around the web, there is no agreement on what the actual numbers are. The update
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:47 PM
Sep 2014

also concludes: "the most successful media entities of our time enjoying formal Federal protection from taxes designed, under 501(c)6 guidelines, to encourage trade organizations. As a professional monopoly with a limited number of dues-paying members – each worth of a couple billion on paper – it is hardly that."

That's the point. Strip them of the nonprofit status. They won't suffer.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
5. Exactly!
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:40 PM
Sep 2014

I totally agree with her move here, but it's for the wrong reason. Why in HELL are the NFL an other sports industries exempt from paying taxes? I'm sure fans pray that their teams triumph, but that hardly qualifies them as "churches".

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
43. The only time I ever pray
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:32 PM
Sep 2014

is when my team needs a play to execute properly. I guess that qualifies as religion, no?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
29. The NFL itself (the league office) is tax exempt.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:46 PM
Sep 2014

The individual teams are not. The teams all have to pay taxes. The NFL itself (the corporate entity), brings in about $300 million a year or so (mostly through franchise fees that the team owners pay) and usually spends more than it brings in, which means on paper, they don't make a profit.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
34. well giving your self a huge salary is not exactly not making a profit.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:35 PM
Sep 2014

I am sure enough is wasted - why should they not pay taxes? We have to tax corporate goodies. someone should pay.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
36. I agree and the league offices have big salaries
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:42 PM
Sep 2014

But it's still a 350 million dollar business that's tax exempt as opposed the billions the nfl rakes in on the whole that is taxed.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
44. I read the article and the pdf.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:44 PM
Sep 2014

Despite the title of the link, I don't see that 13 billion number ANYWHERE in the audit. Which page is it on?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. While she's at it, why doesn't she take on baseball's antitrust exemption?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:29 PM
Sep 2014

Because of the Cleveland American League team and its barbarically offensive logo, which I shall not post here.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
4. Why the problem with the antitrust exemption?
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:39 PM
Sep 2014

With a strong players union of today, the only effect it has is to prevent billionaire owners from moving teams.

Agree on Cleveland's logo. IIRC, Cleveland took the logo off of their road uniforms this season.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. I was merely following her reasoning to its logical conclusion.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:49 PM
Sep 2014

I agree with the posters upthread who say this should be done because it's a billion-dollar industry, not because of the name of one of its teams.

And yes, the city in which I currently reside is challenging the antitrust exemption in court, in what will likely be a vain attempt to lure one of those billionaire owners to take his team down I-880.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. San Jose; the A's.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:03 PM
Sep 2014

Billionaire owner Lew Wolff owns property down here, including hotels, plus he wants to cash in on the $ilicon Valley boom the way the 49ers have.

cojoel

(957 posts)
28. I think he could move the 'A's to Fremont
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:43 PM
Sep 2014

That is in Alemeda County and within their home territory.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
30. That was floated years ago
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:49 PM
Sep 2014

Fremont is not interested; they fear traffic nightmares on game days much like Santa Clara is suffering with the 49ers.

edit: But that would be 81 traffic nightmares, less doubleheaders (and, one hopes, plus playoffs ) rather than 8 plus playoffs for the Niners.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
10. "Prevent Billionaire Owners from Moving Teams..."
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:51 PM
Sep 2014

...Los Angeles Rams move to St. Louis.

...Oakland Raiders move to Los Angeles, then back to Oakland, (and now to San Antonio?)

...St. Louis Cardinals move to Phoenix.

...Baltimore Colts move to Indianapolis.

...The Original Cleveland Browns move to Baltimore to become the Ravens.

...not to mention other teams in other sports.

An anti trust exemption is not going to prevent billionaires from doing what they want, when they want.

The problem with the exemption is: the NFL is a for-profit business, as are its member teams. They should not be entitled to any special treatment in the tax code. They use the commons to promote and sell their game (which is nothing more than another form of entertainment), which we all pay for.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
12. You are confused. The NFL does not have an anti-trust exemption. Only baseball does. Only one team
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 03:56 PM
Sep 2014

in MLB has moved in the last 30 years (Montreal to Washington).

The NFL has non-profit status that allows it to not pay taxes (although the individual teams do pay). No other sport has that. I support stripping the NFL of that status regardless of Washington's team name.

Baseball's anti-trust exemption is more of an anachronism than an outrage.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
27. Except that the NCAA is promoting a number of amateur collegiate sports that would never turn
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:37 PM
Sep 2014

a profit such as rowing, track and field, field hockey, bowling, etc. They also support many women's sports thanks to Title IX.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
24. It's a setup similar to a SuperPAC
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:31 PM
Sep 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League#Corporate_structure

The National Football League is an unincorporated nonprofit 501(c)(6) association, meaning its league office is not subject to income tax because it does not make a profit. In contrast, each individual team (except the non-profit Green Bay Packers) is subject to tax because they make a profit. The NFL considers itself a trade association made up of and financed by its 32 member teams.


And in case you're wondering, the Pack is grandfathered in; no other community-owned teams are allowed.

Faux pas

(14,672 posts)
31. Their tax exempt status should be eliminated
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:01 PM
Sep 2014

just on general principles, like 'religious' entities. It's all smoke, mirrors and BULLSHIT.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
49. Cory the Tory has chimed in; he pegs it to domestic violence!
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:57 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/16/tax-exempt-nfl-cory-booker-bill

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) has introduced legislation to strip several professional sports leagues, including the NFL, of their tax-exempt status.

The bill, which is called the Securing Assistance for Victim Empowerment (SAVE) Act, seeks to raise $100 million over 10 years for domestic violence assistance programs.

The NFL's handling of domestic violence has come under intense scrutiny in light of multiple high-profile cases involving players, including Ray Rice, Ray McDonald and Greg Hardy.

The NFL gained tax-exempt status as a nonprofit in 1944. A designation in the tax code -- 501(c)(6) -- enables the league to function like a trade organization. The league office is not required to pay taxes but individual teams are.


I guess we'll have to wait for Bernie or Elizabeth to do it the right way, as usual.

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