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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:09 AM Sep 2014

BREAKING: Israel military says shot down Syrian aircraft that entered its airspace in Golan Heights

Source: Associated Press

Sep 23, 3:30 AM EDT

ISRAEL MILITARY SHOOTS DOWN SYRIAN AIRCRAFT

BY IAN DEITCH
ASSOCIATED PRESS

JERUSALEM (AP) -- The Israeli military says it has shot down a Syrian aircraft that infiltrated its airspace over the Golan Heights.

The military says a "Syrian aircraft infiltrated into Israeli air space" on Tuesday morning. It says the military "intercepted the aircraft in mid-flight, using the Patriot air defense system."

The military wouldn't say what type of aircraft was downed and says the circumstances of the incident are "unclear."

A defense official identified the plane as a Syrian MIG fighter jet. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

Israel has largely stayed on the sidelines of Syria's civil war raging across the border. But Israeli leaders appear increasingly nervous about the possibility of al-Qaida-linked fighters occupying the Golan's high ground over northern Israel.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_ISRAEL_SYRIA_

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BREAKING: Israel military says shot down Syrian aircraft that entered its airspace in Golan Heights (Original Post) Hissyspit Sep 2014 OP
Oh no, this will not end well. Nt newfie11 Sep 2014 #1
"Its" airspace? shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #2
According to Wikipedia Tunkamerica Sep 2014 #7
Not until Syria signs a peace treaty hack89 Sep 2014 #14
Yes. Golan Heights is part of Syria. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #19
No - it is occupied territory until a peace treaty is signed hack89 Sep 2014 #22
If you occupy it, it's not yours. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #30
But you have absolute control over it hack89 Sep 2014 #42
And the occupied territories of Gaza and the West Bank? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #44
Gaza is not occupied according to international law. The West Bank is. hack89 Sep 2014 #46
Ok. So Gaza is being annexed like the Crimea. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #47
The Palestinian Authority in accordance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 242. hack89 Sep 2014 #48
How can Israel sign a peace treaty with a non-nation on the West Bank? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #53
Then it belongs to Israel by default hack89 Sep 2014 #54
Then the people born there are Israelis shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #57
Once the Palestinians renounce an independent state, why not? hack89 Sep 2014 #65
The other poster on this limited thread said that until a peace treaty is signed the lands remain FlatStanley Sep 2014 #60
they recognize the PA Mosby Sep 2014 #62
Sounds so peaceful. Who knew? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #64
The UN answered your question a long time ago. Nt hack89 Sep 2014 #66
Ok FlatStanley Sep 2014 #68
Blockade is the word I used to describe Israel's actions in Gaza. hack89 Sep 2014 #55
Thanks for the condescension as I try to learn. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #59
Um, no. Little dustup in 1967 kinda changed that. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #21
nah, don't confuse me with context still_one Sep 2014 #26
The UN Security Council (incl the United States) unanimously disagrees with you shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #49
Is that the same UN that decided Zionism is racism? Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #70
The same UN that approved the partition of Palestine and the establishment of Israel, yes shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #71
Says the UN and you. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #72
And the US, Russia, China, the UK and France... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #73
Well, the two weeks have passed.... former9thward Sep 2014 #74
Israel got to be the worst jamzrockz Sep 2014 #3
Wow Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #9
oooh scary! RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #10
Not really. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #11
Battle on bravely, soldier! RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #12
RandiFan... Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #13
That aint saying much! 7962 Sep 2014 #20
As someone jamzrockz Sep 2014 #15
Maybe later. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #17
your defending the assad regime in this thread Mosby Sep 2014 #63
Completely consistent with Israeli Air Corps' doctrine. ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #18
Sorry but they need to jamzrockz Sep 2014 #28
Who said they weren't controlling their borders? ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #29
Come on jamzrockz Sep 2014 #31
I will not 'come on'. ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #32
I believe jamzrockz Sep 2014 #34
They haven't done that, however. n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #39
Wow, treating wounded, some most likely civilians...how horrible! EX500rider Sep 2014 #40
Assad is the "good guy"fighting "terrorists"? King_David Sep 2014 #45
They didnt cross into Israel shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #50
Yes...and I've owned the Brooklyn bridge for the 47 years too. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #56
Sure, and the Crimea is Russian territory as well shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #58
When have the Israelis let terrorists take refuge on their land? NickB79 Sep 2014 #24
The terrorists that attacked jamzrockz Sep 2014 #27
putin is that you? Sunlei Sep 2014 #33
Correction: " . . . they will use OUR best weapons on them." The Stranger Sep 2014 #38
OK...Ive calmed down. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #52
Kicked for jamz Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #67
KICK Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #69
I dont understand why he wanted me to post a reply ... Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #79
You are proving my point jamzrockz Sep 2014 #80
Well, I give you credit for some of your proof. Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #81
Its easier to understand jamzrockz Sep 2014 #82
There are no terrorists "hiding" on the Israeli side. former9thward Sep 2014 #75
As Syria is battling al-Qaida-linked fighters why would Israel shoot down a Syrian Jet? Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #4
Yeah.... unless the goal of this whole thing is Assad. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #37
And why shoot it down Aerows Sep 2014 #43
Israel and Syria are at war. former9thward Sep 2014 #76
From what I read, the Jet went half a mile into Israeli airspace , turned around and was Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #77
Is this the "misstep" the Arab states warned about? countryjake Sep 2014 #5
Sukhoi 24 NOT a MIG-21 happyslug Sep 2014 #23
You're link doesn't work. drm604 Sep 2014 #6
The two pilots ejected successfully shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #8
I have seen videos of jamzrockz Sep 2014 #16
War with Assad to be announced shortly, I'm sure. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #25
Is Assad still living on a warship guarded by the Russians? or did he move to Geneva or Moscow? Sunlei Sep 2014 #35
Way above my pay grade! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #36
So you down a jet Aerows Sep 2014 #41
I posted this earlier riverwalker Sep 2014 #51
It was locked as a duplicate. greyl Sep 2014 #61
My significant other reads the paper FormerOstrich Sep 2014 #78

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
2. "Its" airspace?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:16 AM
Sep 2014

Not exactly aces in the geography department are we?

The Golan Heights is Syrian territory.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
7. According to Wikipedia
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:27 AM
Sep 2014

It's Syrian Territory occupied by Israel.

"Claims on the territory include the fact that an area in northwestern of the Golan region, delineated by a rough triangle formed by the towns of Banias, Quneitra and the northern tip of the Sea of Galilee, was part of the British Palestine Mandate in which the establishment of a Jewish national home had been promised.[119] In 1923, this triangle in northwestern Golan was ceded to the French Mandate in Syria, but in exchange for this, land areas in Syria and Lebanon was ceded to Palestine, and the whole of the Sea of Galilee which previously had its eastern boundary connected to Syria was placed inside Palestine.[120] Syrians counter that the region was placed in the Vilayet of Damascus as part of Syria under the Ottoman boundaries and that the 1920 British-Franco agreement which had placed part of the Golan under the control of Britain was only temporary and that the final border line drawn up in 1923, which excluded the Golan triangle, had superseded it,[119] although Syria has never recognised the 1923 border as legally binding".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. Not until Syria signs a peace treaty
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:57 AM
Sep 2014

You really think Syria has the legal right to fly military aircraft over the Golan?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
22. No - it is occupied territory until a peace treaty is signed
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:27 AM
Sep 2014

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 is pretty clear - land for a peace treaty.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
46. Gaza is not occupied according to international law. The West Bank is.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:31 PM
Sep 2014

that is why there are no Israeli police and troops in Gaza. The WB is occupied and does not belong to Israel.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
47. Ok. So Gaza is being annexed like the Crimea.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:42 PM
Sep 2014

Which nations must sign a peace treaty to free up the West Bank?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
48. The Palestinian Authority in accordance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 242.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:11 PM
Sep 2014

Israel withdrew from Gaza. You have a strange definition of annex. Gaza is being blockaded in accordance with international law due to Hamas' penchant for smuggling weapons and shooting them at Israel.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
53. How can Israel sign a peace treaty with a non-nation on the West Bank?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

And since nothing goes in and out of Gaza without Israeli approval, I don't know what other word to use if not occupied. Perhaps you have a better word.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
54. Then it belongs to Israel by default
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:34 PM
Sep 2014

Jordan has renounced all claims to the West Bank. If the PA is not a legitimate negotiating partner then why has the UN, America and Israel wasted the past 20 years trying to get them to agree to a treaty that would settle the boundaries of Palestine.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
57. Then the people born there are Israelis
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 10:39 PM
Sep 2014

and entitled to Israeli citizenship. Anything less would be apartheid.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
65. Once the Palestinians renounce an independent state, why not?
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 06:27 AM
Sep 2014

I don't believe it is Israel's land - they should withdraw their settlements. But it should remain under their control until a treaty is signed in accordance with the UN resolution.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
60. The other poster on this limited thread said that until a peace treaty is signed the lands remain
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 11:22 PM
Sep 2014

Occupied. I was simply trying to determine with whom the Israelis would sign a treaty since they don't acknowledge any legitimate nation.

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
62. they recognize the PA
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 12:45 AM
Sep 2014

And both parties entered into agreements that spell out the parameters of Israeli and Palestinian control of the west bank and Gaza.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
55. Blockade is the word I used to describe Israel's actions in Gaza.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:49 PM
Sep 2014

How can you occupy territory without actually occupying it? There are no Israelis in Gaza. The phrase occupied territory has a specific meaning in international law. Instead of making up our own, why don't we use that definition?

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
49. The UN Security Council (incl the United States) unanimously disagrees with you
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:39 PM
Sep 2014

The Security Council,

Having considered the letter of 14 December 1981 from the Permanent Representative of the Syrian Arab Republic contained in document S/14791,

Reaffirming that the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible, in accordance with the United Nations Charter, the principles of international law, and relevant Security Council resolutions,

1. Decides that the Israeli decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights is null and void and without international legal effect;

2. Demands that Israel, the occupying Power, should rescind forthwith its decision;

3. Determines that all the provisions of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 continue to apply to the Syrian territory occupied by Israel since June 1967;

4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the implementation of this resolution within two weeks and decides that in the event of non-compliance by Israel, the Security Council would meet urgently, and not later than 5 January 1982, to consider taking appropriate measures in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
71. The same UN that approved the partition of Palestine and the establishment of Israel, yes
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:38 PM
Sep 2014

In any event, you don't get to pick and choose which Security Council resolutions are binding. The Golan Heights is Syrian territory. You might not like it, but there it is.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
72. Says the UN and you.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:43 PM
Sep 2014

Not me. Its Israel's until Israel decides to give it back. You may not like it but its a fact.

Syria wont try a cheap surprise attack again...they might lose even more land.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
73. And the US, Russia, China, the UK and France...
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 07:57 PM
Sep 2014

and also the following countries:-

Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Congo, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Timor-Leste, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

and pretty much any international jurist you can name.

In fact, the only country that does not consider the Golan to be occupied Syrian territory is Israel.



 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
3. Israel got to be the worst
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:22 AM
Sep 2014

country to have as a neighbor. They show absolutely no sympathy to the fact that Syria is fighting dangerous terrorist groups. They let the terrorists take refuge on their side of the stolen land but if Syria dares to attack those terrorists hiding on Israeli side, they will use their best weapons on them.

Makes it easier to understand why nobody (except the saudis and other monarchy dictators) likes them

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
9. Wow
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:40 AM
Sep 2014

I wish I could tell you how unbelievably repulsed I am by your post but I need to calm down before I say something that would get me axed.

man, am I apoplectic !!

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
11. Not really.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:50 AM
Sep 2014

I will predict that no matter how polite and pointed my post will be, some anonymous person with total impunity will reflexly hit the alert button figuring he/she has a 40-50 % chance of getting it removed...with no downside to the alerter.

So I may just suck it up.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
15. As someone
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:58 AM
Sep 2014

who has been a victim of few 4-3 votes against me, I ask you to please speak your mind and please to the voters or possible alerters, please know that I am OK with whatever he has to tell me. I don't care what his tone is or the words he uses. Just address whatever you have to say cos I really would like to see if you can talk me down from my stance.

I would like to know why its OK for Israel to welcome terrorist rebels attacking Syria and then shoot down Syrian jet fighter when it comes into an area stolen from The Syrians to attack said terrorists.

I will say it again, Please do NOT alert his response to me. I don't need you stifling speech to protect me

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
18. Completely consistent with Israeli Air Corps' doctrine.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:02 AM
Sep 2014

Although I am not defending Israel's actions, Israeli Air Corps' doctrine calls for 'clear skies over Israel', simply stated. Any hostile or potentially hostile intruder is dealt with immediately, most often with deadly consequences. From the Israeli P.O.V., the doctrine is a matter of survival, considering the fact that modern jet fighter aircraft can traverse Israel from east-to-west in just 6-7 minutes.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
28. Sorry but they need to
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

do a better job controlling their borders. They shouldn't be allowing so called rebels who have attacked Syria to cross into their borders. Only a paranoid person would think Syria is trying to pick some type of fight with Israel. They already have enough on their plate.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
29. Who said they weren't controlling their borders?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:34 PM
Sep 2014

Nowhere has it been reported that rebels have crossed into Israel, only the Syrian Air Force.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
31. Come on
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:40 PM
Sep 2014

Its has been on the news before. Pictures of injured fighters(young men with beards) getting treatment in Israel and the news spin it as Israel helping Syrian refugees. Yes, they have been undermining the govt in Syria by siding with the terrorist rebels. I wish I saved it but there was video of some Israeli IDF nurse saying that the hospital she worked for were treating Al Nusra front terrorists.

I ask this again, why else would the terrorists want to open up a front between them and Israel?

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
32. I will not 'come on'.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:45 PM
Sep 2014

Your replies are not responsive to my post about the 'clear skies over Israel' doctrine of the Israeli Air Corps. Please stay on the topic.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
34. I believe
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:51 PM
Sep 2014

that once you allow your country to become a safe haven for terrorists, you lose every right to claim the doctrine of 'clear skies over Israel'. But what can anyone do, might makes right in the situation.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
45. Assad is the "good guy"fighting "terrorists"?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:27 PM
Sep 2014

In what alternate reality is that?

The USA is now arming these rebels, you do know this don't you?

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
27. The terrorists that attacked
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:13 PM
Sep 2014

the UN in the Golan Height region. Why the hell do you think terrorists would want to come anywhere close to Israeli borders if they weren't secretly supporting them? There have been stories were Israeli nurses have come out to expose treating Syrian so called rebels.

Believe me, they wouldn't be lurking near the Israeli borders if they weren't getting support from them.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
52. OK...Ive calmed down.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:58 PM
Sep 2014

( To the jury...Since someone will anonymously hit the alert button ,as usual ,when they don't like something, I have specifically NOT been disruptive, hurtful ,or rude to anyone. I have not been insensitive to anyone here. No over-the-top comments to anyone other than the Syrian government and all comments are appropriate including links. )





" Israel got to be the worst country to have as a neighbor.. They show absolutely no sympathy to the fact that Syria is fighting dangerous terrorist groups. "


Really ??.. No sympathy, huh?...Don't tell that to the Syrian army or its people..

Israel treats 7 wounded Syrians who approached Golan border
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-treats-7-wounded-syrians-who-approached-golan-border.premium-1.512047


IDF evacuates wounded Syrian to Haifa hospital
http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-evacuates-syrian-citizen-to-israeli-hospital/

Rare Look at the IDF Field Hospital Saving Syrian Civilian Lives
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/10340/rare-look-idf-field-hospital-saving-syrian-civilian-lives/#tdRFTgfOlQAtr3Gb.99

Across Forbidden Border, Doctors in Israel Quietly Tend to Syria’s Wounded
http://thenewstalkers.com/forum/topics/across-forbidden-border-doctors-in-israel-quietly-tend-to-syria-s

Israel’s secret doctors ( Israeli medical teams goes INTO refugee camps)
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/09/07/robert-fulford-israels-secret-doctors/

Fleeing Syria: Israeli hospital helps injured when no one else will
http://www.journalnow.com/specialreports/syria/fleeing-syria-israeli-hospital-helps-injured-when-no-one-else/article_153b1667-af38-538e-a4bf-a93bcd15055d.html

Israeli Doctors Work Undercover in Syria to Save Lives
http://unitedwithisrael.org/israeli-doctors-work-undercover-in-syria-to-save-lives/

And my favorite

Syrian mom has boy in Israeli hospital( Syrian refugee needed Israel)
http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-syrian-refugee-gives-birth-in-israeli-hospital/

You are sooo pathetically wrong...ENDLESS SYMPATHY to the Syrians.



"They let the terrorists take refuge on their side of the stolen land but if Syria dares to attack those terrorists hiding on Israeli side, they will use their best weapons on them. "

First there is zero proof that Syrian terrorists get refuge by Israel.....none....nada....zilch. In fact there is little interaction between the Syrian terrorists/extremists/ militants/ rebels and Israel because they don't want to fuck with Israel.

2nd the "Stolen land" bullshit.... maybe the Syrians shouldn't have surprised attack Israel in 67 and they would still have it. They got their asses handed to them and they lost land. Tough shit. And yet all they have to do is recognize Israel and they would get it back. Sucks to lose a war isn't it . They wont pull that shit again, will they ?


"they will use their best weapons on them"
Good, they wont try to fuck with Israel again.


"Makes it easier to understand why nobody (except the saudis and other monarchy dictators) likes them"

Really ? I guess that's why the sworn enemy of Israel, Haniyeh, sent his grand-daughter to Israel for medical care.
Israeli Doctors Treat Hamas PM Haniyeh’s Granddaughter
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/18/israeli-doctors-treat-hamas-pm-haniyehs-granddaughter/

and why the Arab states were QUIETLY supporting Israel to destroy Hamas.

Israel Finds Silent Backing by Arab Nations Hostile to Hamas
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-10/israel-finds-silent-backing-among-arab-nations-hostile-to-hamas.html

Looks like your theory of why nobody likes them SUCKS !!!

Usually (not here of course) when I read on the non-DU internet such incredibly wrong comments its usually from some anti-Semitic prick hiding behind "anti-Zionism" speading jew-hate (not here of course).
I certainly do not think that's you .I think you are a little misguided.

I hope you read the articles posted.




 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
79. I dont understand why he wanted me to post a reply ...
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:15 AM
Sep 2014

I spent an hour doing it.
I sent him a du mail telling him I responded...
and now he ignores the post.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
80. You are proving my point
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 10:54 AM
Sep 2014

The terrorists are moving to Israel for medical treatment, I have said this already. And yes, there are a sprinkle of civilians here and there but the truth is that Israel is giving refuge, weapons and I would guess intelligence to terrorists attacking the state of Syria. Do you want me to believe that the Syrian govt was using jet fighters to attack innocent civilians running to Israel for medical treatment? Assad is not that stupid, the jet fighter Israel destroyed was chasing after Al Nusra fighters, most likely the same one that took UN peacekeepers hostage in the Golan height

New Vids how Al Nusrah Front and Partners take over the Syrian Army Crossingpoint Quneitra on Golan Heights.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=170_1409226929#170wqvrkpi8RDorZ.99

FSA rebels with Israeli made weapons
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f63_1363145124

FSA beheaders crossing border from Israel occupied Golan to Syria.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dff_1409757206

Israeli Nurse treating wounded militants across Syrian Border
Israeli nurse explains how IDF protect extremists fighting the Syrian Army. Sorry, no english translations... Hopefully someone who can understand Hebrew can confirm what she is actually saying
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=272_1402178651#yJLtUhL8EGElyGCZ.99

But there are many many videos like this showing Israeli support for the terrorist rebels attacking Syria and then running back into Israel for protection. I don't blame Syria for going after these terrorists.

Please do not discount liveleak as some kooky website, they have supporters from all sides posting successful hit and general victories in the war. Some of the videos were posted by the terrorist supporters themselves and they very current with real people on the ground posting.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
81. Well, I give you credit for some of your proof.
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 12:49 PM
Sep 2014

I am a little befuddled but I do believe they treat more civilians than militants.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
82. Its easier to understand
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 02:08 PM
Sep 2014

their behaviour when you realize that Syria their neighbour is the biggest Middle east ally to Iran who is their mortal enemy. Weakening or even toppling the Syrian govt for a weaker govt and anti Iran, Sunni leadership(which are the rebels) is in their national security interest.

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
75. There are no terrorists "hiding" on the Israeli side.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:56 PM
Sep 2014

Utter nonsense. Proves you know nothing about Israeli security forces and their practices.

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
4. As Syria is battling al-Qaida-linked fighters why would Israel shoot down a Syrian Jet?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:41 AM
Sep 2014


Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
43. And why shoot it down
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:21 PM
Sep 2014

when the pilots had already turned around and flown back into their own territory.

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
76. Israel and Syria are at war.
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 08:59 PM
Sep 2014

There was a ceasefire in 1973 but no peace treaty. It would take minutes for a jet to get to Tel Aviv crossing from Syria.

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
77. From what I read, the Jet went half a mile into Israeli airspace , turned around and was
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:20 PM
Sep 2014

headed back, it never bombed or strafed Israel.

Then Israel fired a Patriot Missile at the plane of the nation actively battling the terrorist organization; al Qaeda that Israel claims it doesn't want in the Golan Heights.

Common sense and logic should tell the "leadership" of Israel, that the last thing Syria; a nation divided and weakened by civil war wants or needs is an active war with Israel.

This Jet posed no threat to Israel but they shot it down anyway most likely just out of spite and perhaps for other reasons but it wasn't national security.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
5. Is this the "misstep" the Arab states warned about?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:44 AM
Sep 2014

Here's an Israeli take on the matter:

IDF shoots down Syrian fighter plane infiltrating Israeli territory Sep. 23, 2014
Syrian confirms its MiG-21 intercepted by Patriot missile; this is first time since 1982 that the IAF has downed a Syrian aircraft.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.617329

~snip~

The defense establishment has not yet confirmed whether the jet infiltrated Israeli territory purposefully or errantly.

Syria confirmed late Tuesday morning that Israel had shot down one of its war planes, in what it described as an act of aggression.

Syrian state TV quoted a military source saying the downing of the plane, which coincided with U.S.-led air strikes against Islamic State in Syria, came "in the framework of [Israel's] support for the terrorist [Islamic State] and the Nusra Front."

The interception of the Syrian jet came after a night of heavy U.S.-led air strikes against Islamic State targets in the northwest of the country.

Fighting from Syria's civil war has occasionally spilled over into the Golan. Israel has scrambled jets toward Syrian aircraft approaching the border in the past, but has never opened fire.



Evidently, the two pilots of that MiG parachuted out before the plane crashed. The Guardian has posted videos of the missile strike and also the parachutes.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/middle-east-live/live/2014/sep/23/us-air-strikes-against-isis-in-syria-live-updates

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
23. Sukhoi 24 NOT a MIG-21
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:59 AM
Sep 2014

I was wondering how they were able to get two pilots AND parachutes into a MIG-21, it is a very small plane, but it turns out to be a SU-24, a much larger attack plane. This is accordinjg to the Haaretz article cited below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24


http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.617329

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
16. I have seen videos of
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:59 AM
Sep 2014

Syrian pilots ejecting out of their destroyed jets only to be captured and beheaded by syrian rebels. I hope the 2 made it out alive.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
35. Is Assad still living on a warship guarded by the Russians? or did he move to Geneva or Moscow?
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:55 PM
Sep 2014

He moved the family and buddies families to Geneva Mansions a long time ago.

He's not even in his own country anymore.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
41. So you down a jet
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:18 PM
Sep 2014

"The decision to down the jet was made after 1:20 minutes of flight; when the Patriot hit the plane, the Syrian pilots had already turned around and flown back into their territory."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.617329

after the pilots had already turned around and flown back into their territory.

What is wrong with this picture?

greyl

(22,990 posts)
61. It was locked as a duplicate.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 11:37 PM
Sep 2014

The locking message at the top of a thread is only an automatic default, so you have to look at the bottom of the thread for a more explanatory message from the locking Host.

This is the one from your locked thread:

petronius: Locking. Sorry, but this duplicates the topic in this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014901430

Please continue the discussion in the older thread. Thanks!

FormerOstrich

(2,689 posts)
78. My significant other reads the paper
Thu Sep 25, 2014, 01:18 AM
Sep 2014

and listens to the evening news, as opposed to the internet and mobile phone.

I told him yesterday morning about the plane. He told me there was no mention on the evening news.

Today we both scoured the Arizona Republic for the news account. There wasn't a single mention of the event.

I searched AZCentral.com and did not find any article whatsoever. I wrote the AZ republic news staff and asked why. I do not expect any reply.

Here we have a Syrian jet ostensibly to have penetrated 2,600 feet into Israeli air space and tried to return to Syria after a Patriot missile was fired. Yes, less than a mile into Israeli air space and was downed after it returned to Syria airspace by a Patriot missile. I don't see how there would have been time for a warning, so I assume there weren't any.

The event coincides with the launching of US led airstrikes within Syria and there major news organizations have deemed the event unworthy of even a small mention? WTH?

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