Police: Former Employee Beheaded Woman At Moore Workplace
Source: news9.com KWTV
MOORE, Oklahoma - A man reportedly beheaded a woman and stabbed another one at a Moore food distribution center Thursday afternoon.
According to Sgt. Jeremy Lewis with the Moore Police Department, coworkers told police that the suspect, 30-year-old Alton Alexander Nolen, had recently converted to Islam to become a Muslim. Coworkers said he had been trying to convert them to Islam, as well.
9/26/2014 Related Story: Moore Police: Suspect In Workplace Attack "Expected To Live"
According to police, at about 4:05 p.m. Thursday, officers responded to the report of an out-of-control employee at Vaughan Foods, located at 216 NE 12th St. While speaking to the caller, officers learned that someone had been stabbed and gunshots were fired.
When officers arrived at the scene, police said they found two victims, 54-year-old Colleen Hufford and 43-year-old Tracy Johnson. Hufford was beheaded, and Johnson was suffering from multiple knife wounds.
Read more: http://www.news9.com/story/26635789/police-former-employee-beheaded-woman-at-moore-workplace
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Wasn't that guy on the White House lawn also recently residing on a military base and had mental issues? Know we are getting beheading in the US by recent converts? All these looney tunes crazy Republicans who are worried about Sharia Law in the US are going to go into a freakin meltdown now. Anyone see PsyOp written all over this because the timing of all these inflammatory videos is just to strange? Every time we need to convince people its right to invade a country these videos pop up everywhere...are we paying people to incite others behind the scenes to commit these atrocious acts? We know our intelligence agencies and military contractors who essentially run everything now have no qualms about killing innocent people to bring in more war dollars...they have already proven there are willing to kill over a million innocent civilians to achieve their goals so why would a few PsyOp casualties bother them?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)When people do lose it, their explanatory/focal obsessions come from their cultural milieu. So if the man was losing it, and he had picked up on Islam and the focus was helping to organize a mind losing its coherence, this is not that unlikely a result.
It could be true that the man was in fact sane, but 10-1 he wasn't at the time. In this case, we'll probably know, because he is expected to survive.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They sure do churn out a lot of these.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)He was just a terrorist or, if you prefer, a mass murderer with a religious motive. He never saw combat, there was no PTSD. He's just a fucked up person who believed an evil doctrine. He probably had personality disorders that led him down that path instead of all the others he could have taken, but he was sane when he did it.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/trial-of-major-nidal-hasan-starts-today-govt-still-toes-workplace-violence-line/
I'm glad the current perp may live. I hope he does. I want to hear what he has to say about his actions and what a psych exam shows.
It's the conspiracy theory that I think is utterly unjustified. There is no basis for the belief that any legal authority in the US is trying to foment this type of thing, and indeed it's obvious that they have tried (ineffectively) to prevent this type of thing.
I'm not claiming this guy wasn't a Hasan/Boston Bomber variant. It seems to me more likely he is psycho with religious mania, but either is possible. I'm just asserting that there is no reason to claim that this is the product of a conspiracy to spark such acts.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)He was a PTSD victim from Fort Hood also as was another shooter last year. And by the way PTSD isn't intrinsic to combat...many people suffer from it from any trauma from domestic violence to massive humiliation to rape to prison time. These susceptible people with mental health issues seem to be being messed with hard at Fort Hood which if my memory serves me right has had a history of erratic, violent crazed behavior from people who lived there dating back to the 70s.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Must be standard "workplace violence", similar to Nidal Malik Hasan killing 13 American soldiers on an Army base.
Nothing to see here...
get the red out
(13,461 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)The killings at the Army base WERE workplace violence. And this sounds like the same thing. The fact that Major Hasan and Mr. Nolen are Muslim are totally ancillary to the conversation. I don't see similar inferences every time a Christian commits an act of violence.
former9thward
(31,964 posts)Hasan made clear he was killing for Islam and he was a follower of jihad. It was not remotely "workplace violence". It was classic terrorism.
Hasan was investigated by the FBI after intelligence agencies intercepted at least 18 e-mails between him and Anwar al-Awlaki between December 2008 and June 2009. al-Awlaki was a major influence on radical English-speaking jihadis internationally.
In one of the e-mails, Hasan wrote al-Awlaki: "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife. Hasan also asked al-Awlaki when jihad is appropriate, and whether it is permissible if innocents are killed in a suicide attack.
In the months before the shooting, Hasan increased his contacts with al-Awlaki to discuss how to transfer funds abroad without coming to the attention of law authorities.
In the Fort Hood shooting Hasan reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!"
No, not workplace violence...
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)The Federal Government defines it. And the Government deemed it an example of workplace violence, and NOT terrorism. And I'm sure they are privy to way more facts than you are.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I don't care what the govt defines it as, in my mind, and many others, this was an act of terrorism, he targeted the 2 women he was trying to convert, apparently against their wishes.
Privy to more facts?
You mean like GWB was to the WMD's in Iraq?
Also, the Ft. Hood shooter, Major Hassan? I define it as an act of terrorism, despite what the govt may say.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)NONE. It just happened a few hours ago, and yet you've already determined a motive. Knee jerk much?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You have no idea why the beheading and stabbing too place in OK today.
NONE, it just happened a few hours ago, and yet your ready to label it work place violence.
Knee jerk much?
Witnesses also report the he was shouting Islamic phrases.
http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/woman-beheaded-by-co-worker-in-oklahoma/
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)An act of terrorism.
I'm still allowed to do so under the 1A right?
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)"The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims". There is no indication that any political aims were at the root of what Mr. Nolen's actions today. By all indications he snapped and attacked two co-workers, with tragic results. But you can continue to demonstrate your ignorance if you'd like by calling it terrorism.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)This is why the FBI is taking over the case, because of the potential of terrorism, but you and others don't seem to want to acknowledge that this may be the case and immediately jump on those of us who think it is an act of terrorism.
You can call me ignorant, doesn't bother me, but if the FBI determines it is an act of terrorism, I do hope you'll issue an apology to those of us who called it.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)And the circumstances appear similar in this case. Just because a Muslim commits a crime does not make it terrorism. Your anti-Muslim bias is showing.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)No, I'm anti terrorist, no matter the circumstances, no matter what race, religion, creed, whatever.
And quite honestly, I don't give a damn what the FBI says about Ft. Hood, IMO, it was an act of terrorism.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Bonx
(2,053 posts)"Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Fuck political correctness.
Ms. Toad
(34,057 posts)and understand it well enough to know that what he was shouting were Islamic phrases, how?
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)The bigots are outing themselves....
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Can't do any better than that?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You have no idea of what those people there can and can't understand, do you?
Besides, just like everyone else here, I'm expressing my opinion, and my opinion is that this was an act of terrorism.
Ms. Toad
(34,057 posts)I've got a pretty decent idea of the political climate, tolerance (or lack thereof) of differences, and prejudices about Islam that exist in the general population in the area. (I'm not particularly picking on that geographic region - we're not (even on DU) very tolerant of anything Islam...but I do have quite a bit of familiarity with the region and its inhabitants.)
Gore1FL
(21,119 posts)Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Besides, if he was yelling "Allah Akbar", which is a common war cry, most people would not mistake it for Sanskrit.
But just keep telling yourself that Islam had nothing to do with this.
Ms. Toad
(34,057 posts)A radical fringe group of people who are calling themselves Islamic, but who are otherwise acting in conflict with the real teachings of Islam, may have something to do with this incident - to the extent they inspired an emotionally unstable individual to violence.
But I am still skeptical of the ability of most people in the US to distinguish one Aramaic language from another - or even from fake words made up to call to mind a particular language.
I've just seen too many knee-jerk 'blame it Islam" responses to put much stock on a random unnamed witnesses ability to identify or understand "islamic phrases."
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)and returned to his workplace after he'd snapped. Pretty much the classic definition of, "workplace violence".
tularetom
(23,664 posts)But I'd bet the farm that it wasn't organized terrorism and that the asshat that did it was acting strictly on his own. Of course because of the beheading, the liberal media will imply that the guy is somehow part of ISIS, and millions of scared shitless Americans will demand that the government take away even more of their freedoms to protect them from the scary moooooslims.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)It wasn't any organized terror attack, it was a single person committing a terrorist act on these poor women.
Now whether it was related to radical islamic terrorism or just an ex employee who happens to be Muslim, pissed off at the world, I think the FBI will determine that soon enough.
Bragi
(7,650 posts)If his motivation was religion, then we need to acknowledge that religions are organised social/political institutions. People who adhere to a religion and practice what it tells them to do are acting as members of an organised belief system. If individuals act on a religious belief that tells them they have a duty to violently impose their beliefs on others, then I think they qualify as terrorists, even if they are not acting in immediate consort with others.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)They also exclude a lot of crap from their inflation calculations. The governments definition is hardly something I would call conclusive.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)These ARE examples of religiously motivated violence whether you acknowledge it or not. That doesn't indict EVERY Muslim, but there ya go...
7962
(11,841 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Nothing to see here..."
No more and no less to see than when Scott Roeder acting wholly on his Christian faith, murdered Doctor George Tiller. Or the Hutaree militia group, thankfully infiltrated and arrested by the FBI before they could use their own improved explosive devices on innocent people.
(insert distinction without a difference her to maintain biases for and against particular religions...)
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)The largest religion in America should inflict more "terror" than the smaller one(s). Which religion in the last dozens of years is winning the numbers game?
7962
(11,841 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I feel for everyone here. We are self destructing as a world I think.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)without jihadi indoctrination.
christx30
(6,241 posts)he would have bored her to death, and sued her.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)but that was a good one. You can add Mormon to that as well, as "the least interesting man" is thinking of running again. Slow learner.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Just in case it's needed.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Dead is dead. Would we even have heard of this if he'd simply shot them - instead of beheading one to death? No matter WHAT means of killing he used - the one victim is dead. No more or less dead than any other victim or casualty of war. Heh - THOUSANDS of innocents shot dead in THIS COUNTRY every week. Not one PEEP of outrage or revulsion about that.
The misfit that did this is going to be removed from society for good - as he should be. But his act - or the method of it - needs to be viewed with perspective. We citizens nonchalantly accept unjust gunshot deaths as easily as inhaling and exhaling.
Sopkoviak
(357 posts)Scary black dude converts to Islam
Tries to convert fellow workers.
Preaches convert or die.
Fired for his activities.
Violence against Women.
Stopped by "good guy with a gun".
And that's just for openers.
Eugene
(61,846 posts)Sopkoviak
(357 posts)What with our surveillance state and everybody having a schmart phone these days.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)If he'd used a gun, there would've been minor mention of it. Next day - lost in the froth.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)I see all kinds of workplace violence episodes come up on various news sites. So yes, if he had used a gun we would have still heard about it.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)But it wouldn't be NEAR the story if he'd used a gun. Here's a guy who had mental issues - and because of them he resorts to emulating the horrific ISIS events as a way to make his points.
The point I'm trying to make is it's only the ugliness of this assault that gives it any more than scant notice. There are THOUSANDS of homicides EVERY DAY, and everyone just goes about their business.
greyl
(22,990 posts)Your outrage is slightly misplaced in this case.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)candelista
(1,986 posts)What should I say? "Congratulations"?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Which dead is less dead?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)mimi85
(1,805 posts)you can behead someone and they don't die? Not directed to you Dreamer but the poster that said that.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)How much more dead is one that endures such an assault? A bullet would be "nicer"? For who?
xocet
(3,871 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)I guess you really haven't been paying attention.
There's been a LOT of "outrage and revulsion" about that.
And calling this piece of shit murderer a "misfit" is incredible. A "misfit"...really?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)If not, he's a "misfit". Sure - you can call him worse. I would too. But "misfit" isn't wrong.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)There are crazy sons-of-bitches in every corner of this "great nation", and with the vilification by the media of this big, bad isis pack of barbarians, it's no wonder that we get some "wanna-be's". So, now we're all going to be scared to go outside cause there might be some crazy son-of-a-bitch ready to murder innocent, vulnerable women and children? Get serious. The crazies have been here LOOOOOONG BEFORE isis made the scene. This crazy mf'er will get justice for his horrendous rampage...you can damn betcha.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)give sociopathic assholes an additional excuse to perpetrate the shit that's been festering in their brains for a long time.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)It's the only proper reaction.
(just in case!)
Archae
(46,312 posts)For their followers in different countries to do acts of terror, and this does match ISIL's M.O.
In Australia a fanatic tried to kill two cops, and was shot dead.
Rachel has pointed this out.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)You should read the 'replies' to the station's Facebook post.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)He is way down in Oklahoma. He's no threat to me personally. And people die every day.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)The problem with this story is that there are those who find it damned inconvenient and difficult to more delicately re-frame.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Are folks in the land of the brave actually convinced they will beheaded by a brown man from Syria in the checkout line?
Scardypants America.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That's horrific.
It's easy to occasionally get PO'd at your co-workers, but damn. The worst I've ever wanted to do to mine in my fantasies is re-partition and wipe their hard disks. Which is a shitty thing to do and I didn't do it despite the temptation.
What the hell is wrong with people?
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Black AND muslim
Gore1FL
(21,119 posts)The problem with the claim is oMr. Nolens arrest report. According to the Oklahoma Department of Corrections, Mr. Nolen sports numerous tattoos, all of a Christian theme. From a greeting in Arabic given by Christians in the middle east to a portrait of Jesus and the clasped hands of Christian prayer, none of it fits with a member of the faith of Mohammad. In fact, having tattoos is strictly forbidden in Islam, as said in the Koran (al-Bukhaari, 5032):
7962
(11,841 posts)Check the jails for Muslim converts and see how many have tattoos. Come on.
Gore1FL
(21,119 posts)Tattoos have to go first.
As someone once said, "Read the whole story."
Edited to add:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo_removal
7962
(11,841 posts)It takes years to do away with several tattoos.
You think the presence of tattoos makes him a non-muslim? Not to him it didn't. Good lord.
His co workers said he was a muslim and tried to get them interested in it. They're all lying?
http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store
His Facebook post
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=743498605708135&set=pb.100001440066246.-2207520000.1411776265.&type=3&theater
Care to defend the other Islamists who have killed? Wake up.
Gore1FL
(21,119 posts)Saying someone is not a Muslim is not really an insult or a compliment. Being a muslim is of no less or greater value than being a christian. Their are both equally as valueless and harmful as any religion.
Your top link did support the claim of Islamic conversion. I will concede that point. It did put into question whether the religion played a role.
Islam says worshiping of idols being a manifest error. That's why they forbid pictures of prophets. This guy had a Jesus tattoo. That's every bit as blasphemous as depicting Muhammad. As a radical Islamic disgruntled worker, you'd think he's know he's go to hell if he didn't get rid of it before he died. No virgins for him.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Gore1FL
(21,119 posts)On edit, misguided is redundant when it comes to religion as all of them are misguided.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Right after 9/11 some disturbed individual tried to cut the throat of a random bus driver with a box cutter.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)the head out of respect, of course. I think that was after they had dug up and eaten the dead native Americans they could find. One could argue hunger, but I find it weird to be rationalizing the reasons for beheading someone for your own convenience, for culinary or religious reasons.
I don't see this as any more barbaric than the good people of Centralia, Washington who, still today it is is reported, laugh about their people dragging Wesley Everest from the jail, hanging him twice since the first rope was too short, reaching their hand in his pants and fondling then then cutting off his penis, and then shooting him after he strangled from the rope. No investigation, and a humorous report by the coroner. And their descendants are likely running that town today.
Or the good people of Coeure d'Alene, ID, who would imprison the IWW workers in open air pens, then violate their wives in front of them when they came to visit.
Or sending missiles in which blow apart and dismember innocent children, leaving their burning pieces laying over the yard for their mothers and fathers to pick up. They were doing nothing but playing in the mud on a road - but we killed them because, we say, there was another target out there we were trying to get.
Though between shootings at the Post Office in Edmond, OK and this in Moore. One wonders what happened, but these are the same people that urged their kids to attack the black ones who were being bused to my school in Oklahoma City.
Stalwart Democrats, all those parents were in 1970. You couldn't hardly get a Republican elected then. And these are their children now.
Muslims have nothing on us.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)whilst the perpetrators yell "Jesus Saves!" ?
These things were done IN SPITE of what Jesus teaches whereas here and other places we see violence committed because supposedly that IS what Islam teaches. THAT is a problem for the rest of the civilized world as ISIS is showing us.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)According to The Brady Campaign 32 are murdered every day, eight of them children or teens under 20.
I know this will be blown out of proportion to make people fearful of our fellow Americans who happen to be Muslim; but, I would hope that DU'ers would have more intelligence!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Elmergantry
(884 posts)a type of hate crime so to speak. Much like there is "criminally assaulting murdering and assaulting weaker people" based on their race.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)against his co-workers that day?
Has nothing to do with being a Muslim. Was simply a criminal. Had to do with hate, perhaps sickness. The religion dodge is just a shiny thing.
If guilty, btw, big stupid criminal ass clown will get to visit McAlester, and likely earn the right to an injectable death. And that, today, has very real potential to be a worse death then he offered the woman he killed.
If he is at all rational, his future is gonna be filled with a lot of scary nights, though they might have been already.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)The news just doesnt like to focus on it.
Naveed Haq, Ali Muhammad Brown(killed 4), and of course Nadal Hassan ( regardless of the govt not wanting to call it what it is)
With this latest story, everyone will come out of the woodwork again to say it was anything BUT an act of terror. Let's see what the FACTS are after the investigation.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Eventually I had enough and got the staff to change the channel on the TV after those of us in the waiting room couldn't get the remote to work. Hearing the five blowholes going on about Islam and everything else was pissing me off. It's hard to work remotely from a waiting room when you got these five fucking idiots spewing away.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)that is being used to justify these acts. A very small minority to be sure, but enough to wreak havoc around the world.
JanMichael
(24,881 posts)read the Bible, study history and wake up.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)Christians calling for the death of all non-Christians in the name of Christ....
Cant say the same for Islam unfortunately.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Flatulo
(5,005 posts)The information is out there if you're willing to look at it.
Or you can go on thinking that radical Islam is some boogeyman invented by the West to steal oil. Or something.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)There is something about the idea of beheading that just gives me chills and the creeps. I would much rather die from a gun than a beheading.
But that's just me.
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Calista241
(5,586 posts)According to what this sicko believes, is she supposed to serve him in the afterlife when he gets there?