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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:36 PM Sep 2014

Police: Former Employee Beheaded Woman At Moore Workplace

Source: news9.com KWTV



MOORE, Oklahoma - A man reportedly beheaded a woman and stabbed another one at a Moore food distribution center Thursday afternoon.

According to Sgt. Jeremy Lewis with the Moore Police Department, coworkers told police that the suspect, 30-year-old Alton Alexander Nolen, had recently converted to Islam to become a Muslim. Coworkers said he had been trying to convert them to Islam, as well.

9/26/2014 Related Story: Moore Police: Suspect In Workplace Attack "Expected To Live"

According to police, at about 4:05 p.m. Thursday, officers responded to the report of an “out-of-control” employee at Vaughan Foods, located at 216 NE 12th St. While speaking to the caller, officers learned that someone had been stabbed and gunshots were fired.

When officers arrived at the scene, police said they found two victims, 54-year-old Colleen Hufford and 43-year-old Tracy Johnson. Hufford was beheaded, and Johnson was suffering from multiple knife wounds.

Read more: http://www.news9.com/story/26635789/police-former-employee-beheaded-woman-at-moore-workplace

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Police: Former Employee Beheaded Woman At Moore Workplace (Original Post) Purveyor Sep 2014 OP
This certainly ratchets up things. CentralMass Sep 2014 #1
Here We Go billhicks76 Sep 2014 #30
People have psychotic breaks every day - no need to resort to conspiracy theory to explain this Yo_Mama Sep 2014 #64
PTSD Fort Hood Attendee Right? billhicks76 Sep 2014 #99
If you are referring to the murdering fanatic Nidal Hasan Yo_Mama Sep 2014 #101
White House Lawn Guy billhicks76 Sep 2014 #106
... cosmicone Sep 2014 #2
Nolen had recently converted to Islam and he had been trying to convert coworkers to Islam seveneyes Sep 2014 #4
Nope, not one thing get the red out Sep 2014 #12
What is your point? philosslayer Sep 2014 #13
That is false. former9thward Sep 2014 #16
Fortunately, you don't get to define it philosslayer Sep 2014 #18
Fortunately, we do get to define it. GGJohn Sep 2014 #23
you have NO idea why the workplace violence took place in Oklahoma today philosslayer Sep 2014 #24
And your ready to label it as work place violence. GGJohn Sep 2014 #25
What else would you call it? philosslayer Sep 2014 #26
I already expressed what I define it as. GGJohn Sep 2014 #28
The definition of terrorism is as follows: philosslayer Sep 2014 #33
There may very well have been a political aim. GGJohn Sep 2014 #35
The FBI determined that the shooting at Ft. Hood was NOT terrorism. philosslayer Sep 2014 #37
Anti Muslim? Is that all you have? GGJohn Sep 2014 #41
Yes, but everybody who watches Faux Nooze will be terrorized endlessly by this story. corkhead Sep 2014 #58
That definition is far from complete Bonx Sep 2014 #48
Yet another recruiting drive by the Religion ot Peace? Flatulo Sep 2014 #74
And your average resident in Oklahoma would recognize the language Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #36
Good point philosslayer Sep 2014 #38
Oooooh, now the bigot label? GGJohn Sep 2014 #43
If he were shouting Allah Akbar, that's pretty definitive and recognizable. GGJohn Sep 2014 #42
Since I grew up two states north of there, Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #53
He was apparently a Christian Gore1FL Sep 2014 #66
You don't have to be fluent in a language to recognize its usage. Flatulo Sep 2014 #75
Islam doesn't Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #88
Um, he'd recently been fired. Crash2Parties Sep 2014 #68
It was definitely work place violence and it may meet the definition of terrorism tularetom Sep 2014 #76
I have to agree with you. GGJohn Sep 2014 #85
It was "organised" in this respect Bragi Sep 2014 #100
The govt also doesn't include people who gave up on a job as unemployed joeglow3 Sep 2014 #86
Dude, it ain't so JUST because the gubmint says so. Adrahil Sep 2014 #105
Bullshit. Hasan was a terrorist carrying out a mission he spoke of. 7962 Sep 2014 #70
No more and no less to see than when Scott Roeder acting wholly on his Christian faith... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #50
Statistical evidence says otherwise seveneyes Sep 2014 #54
Good point 7962 Sep 2014 #73
he's a sick man who was a muslim. That is what should be said about this. roguevalley Sep 2014 #19
I doubt he would have beheaded someone cosmicone Sep 2014 #22
If he had been a Scientologist christx30 Sep 2014 #31
Sorry to laugh about such a tragedy mimi85 Sep 2014 #46
I doubt that he would have beheaded anyone without a sick mind making it plausible and acceptable. roguevalley Sep 2014 #97
Time to round up all the Muslims and sew crescent moon patches on their lapels! tenderfoot Sep 2014 #44
I second that, hell, let's do what the Nazi's did the the jewish people, tattoo's. GGJohn Sep 2014 #45
I see the Third Way is out in force this evening to make political hay. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #78
Once again Plucketeer Sep 2014 #3
Right, except there are a few elements to the story that's going to give it legs Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #7
The only thing missing is the beheading being caught on video. nt Eugene Sep 2014 #39
I'd guess that there's a 50-50 chance that there is a vid Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #49
Wanna bet he'd beheaded even if it hadn't been a big deal on YouTube and other venues of late? Plucketeer Sep 2014 #60
We would get the red out Sep 2014 #11
Oh - we may well have heard about it Plucketeer Sep 2014 #62
We heard about it when it was "active shooter at food distribution center in Moore". greyl Sep 2014 #14
OK, that's one! nt Plucketeer Sep 2014 #57
So you don't mind "grisly." candelista Sep 2014 #15
And "clean" means less to you? Plucketeer Sep 2014 #59
"beheading one to death" say it all about you. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #29
Does that mean mimi85 Sep 2014 #47
Really? Plucketeer Sep 2014 #63
Beheading is usually understood to imply the "to death" part of your above construction. n/t xocet Sep 2014 #56
"Not one PEEP of outrage or revulsion about that" NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #61
Does he "fit" into society? Plucketeer Sep 2014 #65
Waiting for the call for air strikes in Oklahoma Hulk Sep 2014 #5
Nolen has a long history of violence - ISIL does nothing more than bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #6
Let's bomb the country he lives in. FiveGoodMen Sep 2014 #8
ISIL has put out a call... Archae Sep 2014 #9
The wingnuts are already on this, like flies on sh*t! ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #10
ABC's story also had people freaking out that ISIS is here nt maryellen99 Sep 2014 #17
They should have just ignored him, and he would have stopped. FrodosPet Sep 2014 #20
Agree! get the red out Sep 2014 #32
Domestic beheader 1, ISIS 0. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #21
Damn Aerows Sep 2014 #27
A wingnut's worst nightmare Dopers_Greed Sep 2014 #34
Black and Christian Gore1FL Sep 2014 #67
He was a convert to Islam. Read the whole story. You cant just wipe away tattoos 7962 Sep 2014 #71
According to my link Gore1FL Sep 2014 #89
As I said, plenty of converts with tattoos. This guy was a recent convert. 7962 Sep 2014 #91
How was I defending him? Gore1FL Sep 2014 #94
Of course he was seveneyes Sep 2014 #104
He started off as a misguided Christian and ended up as a misguided Muslim. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #107
I keep saying the news hype can trigger an episode with the borderline.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #40
Didn't one of the diaries at Jamestown talk about a guy beheading his wife, eating her? Kept jtuck004 Sep 2014 #51
Were these terrible things done Elmergantry Sep 2014 #83
Shhhhh. Mustn't call out radical Islam in any way. nt Flatulo Sep 2014 #96
Another tragedy for Moore after the F5 tornado last year. n/t OnlinePoker Sep 2014 #52
And how many people are killed by gun violence - every day? LongTomH Sep 2014 #55
Nothing more than a criminal murdering and assaulting weaker people. Muslim my ass. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2014 #69
Inspired by his interpreation of his "faith" Elmergantry Sep 2014 #79
Damn convenient. Gets fired and suddenly finds that his religion requires him to take retribution jtuck004 Sep 2014 #98
"No True Scotsman" eh? n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #90
People have already been killing "for jihad" in the US. 7962 Sep 2014 #72
I was having my car worked on and Faux "News" was blaring in the waiting room... 47of74 Sep 2014 #77
Fact is there is a vioent interpretation of Islam Elmergantry Sep 2014 #80
uh huh JanMichael Sep 2014 #81
I am not aware of any Elmergantry Sep 2014 #82
+1 n/t cosmicone Sep 2014 #84
Or destroying ancient shrines and temples. Throd Sep 2014 #87
Too many conveniently forget that point. Because they choose to. 7962 Sep 2014 #92
Have you checked the scorecard lately? Flatulo Sep 2014 #95
"Oh, no, ISIS is beheading us here. We need to have a war!" Fox News at 11. nt valerief Sep 2014 #93
ooooooooooga booooooooga ? Rhinodawg Sep 2014 #102
This is one time I wish he had had a gun. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2014 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author Mamma Sep 2014 #108
So how does Islam work? Calista241 Sep 2014 #109
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
30. Here We Go
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:49 PM
Sep 2014

Wasn't that guy on the White House lawn also recently residing on a military base and had mental issues? Know we are getting beheading in the US by recent converts? All these looney tunes crazy Republicans who are worried about Sharia Law in the US are going to go into a freakin meltdown now. Anyone see PsyOp written all over this because the timing of all these inflammatory videos is just to strange? Every time we need to convince people its right to invade a country these videos pop up everywhere...are we paying people to incite others behind the scenes to commit these atrocious acts? We know our intelligence agencies and military contractors who essentially run everything now have no qualms about killing innocent people to bring in more war dollars...they have already proven there are willing to kill over a million innocent civilians to achieve their goals so why would a few PsyOp casualties bother them?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
64. People have psychotic breaks every day - no need to resort to conspiracy theory to explain this
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:25 PM
Sep 2014

When people do lose it, their explanatory/focal obsessions come from their cultural milieu. So if the man was losing it, and he had picked up on Islam and the focus was helping to organize a mind losing its coherence, this is not that unlikely a result.

It could be true that the man was in fact sane, but 10-1 he wasn't at the time. In this case, we'll probably know, because he is expected to survive.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
101. If you are referring to the murdering fanatic Nidal Hasan
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 02:19 PM
Sep 2014

He was just a terrorist or, if you prefer, a mass murderer with a religious motive. He never saw combat, there was no PTSD. He's just a fucked up person who believed an evil doctrine. He probably had personality disorders that led him down that path instead of all the others he could have taken, but he was sane when he did it.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/trial-of-major-nidal-hasan-starts-today-govt-still-toes-workplace-violence-line/

I'm glad the current perp may live. I hope he does. I want to hear what he has to say about his actions and what a psych exam shows.

It's the conspiracy theory that I think is utterly unjustified. There is no basis for the belief that any legal authority in the US is trying to foment this type of thing, and indeed it's obvious that they have tried (ineffectively) to prevent this type of thing.

I'm not claiming this guy wasn't a Hasan/Boston Bomber variant. It seems to me more likely he is psycho with religious mania, but either is possible. I'm just asserting that there is no reason to claim that this is the product of a conspiracy to spark such acts.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
106. White House Lawn Guy
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 07:56 PM
Sep 2014

He was a PTSD victim from Fort Hood also as was another shooter last year. And by the way PTSD isn't intrinsic to combat...many people suffer from it from any trauma from domestic violence to massive humiliation to rape to prison time. These susceptible people with mental health issues seem to be being messed with hard at Fort Hood which if my memory serves me right has had a history of erratic, violent crazed behavior from people who lived there dating back to the 70s.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
2. ...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:48 PM
Sep 2014
the suspect, 30-year-old Alton Alexander Nolen, had recently converted to Islam to become a Muslim. Coworkers said he had been trying to convert them to Islam, as well.
 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
4. Nolen had recently converted to Islam and he had been trying to convert coworkers to Islam
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:14 PM
Sep 2014

Must be standard "workplace violence", similar to Nidal Malik Hasan killing 13 American soldiers on an Army base.

Nothing to see here...

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
13. What is your point?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

The killings at the Army base WERE workplace violence. And this sounds like the same thing. The fact that Major Hasan and Mr. Nolen are Muslim are totally ancillary to the conversation. I don't see similar inferences every time a Christian commits an act of violence.

former9thward

(31,964 posts)
16. That is false.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:10 PM
Sep 2014

Hasan made clear he was killing for Islam and he was a follower of jihad. It was not remotely "workplace violence". It was classic terrorism.

Hasan was investigated by the FBI after intelligence agencies intercepted at least 18 e-mails between him and Anwar al-Awlaki between December 2008 and June 2009. al-Awlaki was a major influence on radical English-speaking jihadis internationally.

In one of the e-mails, Hasan wrote al-Awlaki: "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife. Hasan also asked al-Awlaki when jihad is appropriate, and whether it is permissible if innocents are killed in a suicide attack.

In the months before the shooting, Hasan increased his contacts with al-Awlaki to discuss how to transfer funds abroad without coming to the attention of law authorities.

In the Fort Hood shooting Hasan reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!"

No, not workplace violence...

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
18. Fortunately, you don't get to define it
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014

The Federal Government defines it. And the Government deemed it an example of workplace violence, and NOT terrorism. And I'm sure they are privy to way more facts than you are.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
23. Fortunately, we do get to define it.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:33 PM
Sep 2014

I don't care what the govt defines it as, in my mind, and many others, this was an act of terrorism, he targeted the 2 women he was trying to convert, apparently against their wishes.

Privy to more facts?
You mean like GWB was to the WMD's in Iraq?

Also, the Ft. Hood shooter, Major Hassan? I define it as an act of terrorism, despite what the govt may say.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
24. you have NO idea why the workplace violence took place in Oklahoma today
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:36 PM
Sep 2014

NONE. It just happened a few hours ago, and yet you've already determined a motive. Knee jerk much?

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
25. And your ready to label it as work place violence.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:38 PM
Sep 2014

You have no idea why the beheading and stabbing too place in OK today.
NONE, it just happened a few hours ago, and yet your ready to label it work place violence.
Knee jerk much?

Witnesses also report the he was shouting Islamic phrases.

Co-workers at the plant described a chaotic scene as Nolen shouted Islamic phrases during his attack, KWTV Channel 9 reporter Robin Marsh tweeted Friday
.

http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/woman-beheaded-by-co-worker-in-oklahoma/

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
28. I already expressed what I define it as.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:45 PM
Sep 2014

An act of terrorism.
I'm still allowed to do so under the 1A right?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
33. The definition of terrorism is as follows:
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:59 PM
Sep 2014

"The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims". There is no indication that any political aims were at the root of what Mr. Nolen's actions today. By all indications he snapped and attacked two co-workers, with tragic results. But you can continue to demonstrate your ignorance if you'd like by calling it terrorism.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
35. There may very well have been a political aim.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:05 PM
Sep 2014
http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/woman-beheaded-by-co-worker-in-oklahoma/

Co-workers at the plant described a chaotic scene as Nolen shouted Islamic phrases during his attack, KWTV Channel 9 reporter Robin Marsh tweeted Friday.


This is why the FBI is taking over the case, because of the potential of terrorism, but you and others don't seem to want to acknowledge that this may be the case and immediately jump on those of us who think it is an act of terrorism.

You can call me ignorant, doesn't bother me, but if the FBI determines it is an act of terrorism, I do hope you'll issue an apology to those of us who called it.
 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
37. The FBI determined that the shooting at Ft. Hood was NOT terrorism.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:10 PM
Sep 2014

And the circumstances appear similar in this case. Just because a Muslim commits a crime does not make it terrorism. Your anti-Muslim bias is showing.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
41. Anti Muslim? Is that all you have?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:20 PM
Sep 2014

No, I'm anti terrorist, no matter the circumstances, no matter what race, religion, creed, whatever.

And quite honestly, I don't give a damn what the FBI says about Ft. Hood, IMO, it was an act of terrorism.

Bonx

(2,053 posts)
48. That definition is far from complete
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:03 PM
Sep 2014

"Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

Ms. Toad

(34,057 posts)
36. And your average resident in Oklahoma would recognize the language
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:10 PM
Sep 2014

and understand it well enough to know that what he was shouting were Islamic phrases, how?

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
42. If he were shouting Allah Akbar, that's pretty definitive and recognizable.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:23 PM
Sep 2014

You have no idea of what those people there can and can't understand, do you?

Besides, just like everyone else here, I'm expressing my opinion, and my opinion is that this was an act of terrorism.

Ms. Toad

(34,057 posts)
53. Since I grew up two states north of there,
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:18 PM
Sep 2014

I've got a pretty decent idea of the political climate, tolerance (or lack thereof) of differences, and prejudices about Islam that exist in the general population in the area. (I'm not particularly picking on that geographic region - we're not (even on DU) very tolerant of anything Islam...but I do have quite a bit of familiarity with the region and its inhabitants.)

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
75. You don't have to be fluent in a language to recognize its usage.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 06:50 PM
Sep 2014

Besides, if he was yelling "Allah Akbar", which is a common war cry, most people would not mistake it for Sanskrit.

But just keep telling yourself that Islam had nothing to do with this.

Ms. Toad

(34,057 posts)
88. Islam doesn't
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 09:23 PM
Sep 2014

A radical fringe group of people who are calling themselves Islamic, but who are otherwise acting in conflict with the real teachings of Islam, may have something to do with this incident - to the extent they inspired an emotionally unstable individual to violence.

But I am still skeptical of the ability of most people in the US to distinguish one Aramaic language from another - or even from fake words made up to call to mind a particular language.

I've just seen too many knee-jerk 'blame it Islam" responses to put much stock on a random unnamed witnesses ability to identify or understand "islamic phrases."

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
68. Um, he'd recently been fired.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:46 PM
Sep 2014

and returned to his workplace after he'd snapped. Pretty much the classic definition of, "workplace violence".

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
76. It was definitely work place violence and it may meet the definition of terrorism
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:17 PM
Sep 2014

But I'd bet the farm that it wasn't organized terrorism and that the asshat that did it was acting strictly on his own. Of course because of the beheading, the liberal media will imply that the guy is somehow part of ISIS, and millions of scared shitless Americans will demand that the government take away even more of their freedoms to protect them from the scary moooooslims.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
85. I have to agree with you.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:54 PM
Sep 2014

It wasn't any organized terror attack, it was a single person committing a terrorist act on these poor women.
Now whether it was related to radical islamic terrorism or just an ex employee who happens to be Muslim, pissed off at the world, I think the FBI will determine that soon enough.

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
100. It was "organised" in this respect
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 07:22 AM
Sep 2014

If his motivation was religion, then we need to acknowledge that religions are organised social/political institutions. People who adhere to a religion and practice what it tells them to do are acting as members of an organised belief system. If individuals act on a religious belief that tells them they have a duty to violently impose their beliefs on others, then I think they qualify as terrorists, even if they are not acting in immediate consort with others.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
86. The govt also doesn't include people who gave up on a job as unemployed
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:59 PM
Sep 2014

They also exclude a lot of crap from their inflation calculations. The governments definition is hardly something I would call conclusive.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
105. Dude, it ain't so JUST because the gubmint says so.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 06:53 PM
Sep 2014

These ARE examples of religiously motivated violence whether you acknowledge it or not. That doesn't indict EVERY Muslim, but there ya go...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. No more and no less to see than when Scott Roeder acting wholly on his Christian faith...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:12 PM
Sep 2014

"Nothing to see here..."

No more and no less to see than when Scott Roeder acting wholly on his Christian faith, murdered Doctor George Tiller. Or the Hutaree militia group, thankfully infiltrated and arrested by the FBI before they could use their own improved explosive devices on innocent people.

(insert distinction without a difference her to maintain biases for and against particular religions...)

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
54. Statistical evidence says otherwise
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:19 PM
Sep 2014

The largest religion in America should inflict more "terror" than the smaller one(s). Which religion in the last dozens of years is winning the numbers game?

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
19. he's a sick man who was a muslim. That is what should be said about this.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:17 PM
Sep 2014

I feel for everyone here. We are self destructing as a world I think.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
46. Sorry to laugh about such a tragedy
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:51 PM
Sep 2014

but that was a good one. You can add Mormon to that as well, as "the least interesting man" is thinking of running again. Slow learner.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
45. I second that, hell, let's do what the Nazi's did the the jewish people, tattoo's.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:36 PM
Sep 2014

Just in case it's needed.
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
3. Once again
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:13 PM
Sep 2014

Dead is dead. Would we even have heard of this if he'd simply shot them - instead of beheading one to death? No matter WHAT means of killing he used - the one victim is dead. No more or less dead than any other victim or casualty of war. Heh - THOUSANDS of innocents shot dead in THIS COUNTRY every week. Not one PEEP of outrage or revulsion about that.

The misfit that did this is going to be removed from society for good - as he should be. But his act - or the method of it - needs to be viewed with perspective. We citizens nonchalantly accept unjust gunshot deaths as easily as inhaling and exhaling.

 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
7. Right, except there are a few elements to the story that's going to give it legs
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:39 PM
Sep 2014

Scary black dude converts to Islam

Tries to convert fellow workers.

Preaches convert or die.

Fired for his activities.

Violence against Women.

Stopped by "good guy with a gun".

And that's just for openers.



 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
49. I'd guess that there's a 50-50 chance that there is a vid
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:12 PM
Sep 2014

What with our surveillance state and everybody having a schmart phone these days.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
60. Wanna bet he'd beheaded even if it hadn't been a big deal on YouTube and other venues of late?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:14 PM
Sep 2014

If he'd used a gun, there would've been minor mention of it. Next day - lost in the froth.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
11. We would
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:54 PM
Sep 2014

I see all kinds of workplace violence episodes come up on various news sites. So yes, if he had used a gun we would have still heard about it.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
62. Oh - we may well have heard about it
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:22 PM
Sep 2014

But it wouldn't be NEAR the story if he'd used a gun. Here's a guy who had mental issues - and because of them he resorts to emulating the horrific ISIS events as a way to make his points.

The point I'm trying to make is it's only the ugliness of this assault that gives it any more than scant notice. There are THOUSANDS of homicides EVERY DAY, and everyone just goes about their business.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
14. We heard about it when it was "active shooter at food distribution center in Moore".
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:58 PM
Sep 2014

Your outrage is slightly misplaced in this case.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
47. Does that mean
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:54 PM
Sep 2014

you can behead someone and they don't die? Not directed to you Dreamer but the poster that said that.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
63. Really?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:24 PM
Sep 2014

How much more dead is one that endures such an assault? A bullet would be "nicer"? For who?

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
61. "Not one PEEP of outrage or revulsion about that"
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:18 PM
Sep 2014

I guess you really haven't been paying attention.

There's been a LOT of "outrage and revulsion" about that.

And calling this piece of shit murderer a "misfit" is incredible. A "misfit"...really?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
65. Does he "fit" into society?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:27 PM
Sep 2014

If not, he's a "misfit". Sure - you can call him worse. I would too. But "misfit" isn't wrong.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
5. Waiting for the call for air strikes in Oklahoma
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:36 PM
Sep 2014

There are crazy sons-of-bitches in every corner of this "great nation", and with the vilification by the media of this big, bad isis pack of barbarians, it's no wonder that we get some "wanna-be's". So, now we're all going to be scared to go outside cause there might be some crazy son-of-a-bitch ready to murder innocent, vulnerable women and children? Get serious. The crazies have been here LOOOOOONG BEFORE isis made the scene. This crazy mf'er will get justice for his horrendous rampage...you can damn betcha.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
6. Nolen has a long history of violence - ISIL does nothing more than
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:38 PM
Sep 2014

give sociopathic assholes an additional excuse to perpetrate the shit that's been festering in their brains for a long time.

Archae

(46,312 posts)
9. ISIL has put out a call...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:44 PM
Sep 2014

For their followers in different countries to do acts of terror, and this does match ISIL's M.O.

In Australia a fanatic tried to kill two cops, and was shot dead.

Rachel has pointed this out.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
10. The wingnuts are already on this, like flies on sh*t!
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:46 PM
Sep 2014

You should read the 'replies' to the station's Facebook post.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
20. They should have just ignored him, and he would have stopped.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:20 PM
Sep 2014

He is way down in Oklahoma. He's no threat to me personally. And people die every day.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
32. Agree!
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:59 PM
Sep 2014

The problem with this story is that there are those who find it damned inconvenient and difficult to more delicately re-frame.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. Domestic beheader 1, ISIS 0.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:24 PM
Sep 2014

Are folks in the land of the brave actually convinced they will beheaded by a brown man from Syria in the checkout line?

Scardypants America.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. Damn
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 02:44 PM
Sep 2014

That's horrific.

It's easy to occasionally get PO'd at your co-workers, but damn. The worst I've ever wanted to do to mine in my fantasies is re-partition and wipe their hard disks. Which is a shitty thing to do and I didn't do it despite the temptation.

What the hell is wrong with people?

Gore1FL

(21,119 posts)
67. Black and Christian
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:29 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/26/oklahoma-beheading/

The problem with the claim is oMr. Nolen’s arrest report. According to the Oklahoma Department of Corrections, Mr. Nolen sports numerous tattoos, all of a Christian theme. From a greeting in Arabic given by Christians in the middle east to a portrait of Jesus and the clasped hands of Christian prayer, none of it fits with a member of the faith of Mohammad. In fact, having tattoos is strictly forbidden in Islam, as said in the Koran (al-Bukhaari, 5032):
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
71. He was a convert to Islam. Read the whole story. You cant just wipe away tattoos
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 06:20 PM
Sep 2014

Check the jails for Muslim converts and see how many have tattoos. Come on.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
91. As I said, plenty of converts with tattoos. This guy was a recent convert.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:05 PM
Sep 2014

It takes years to do away with several tattoos.
You think the presence of tattoos makes him a non-muslim? Not to him it didn't. Good lord.
His co workers said he was a muslim and tried to get them interested in it. They're all lying?
http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store
His Facebook post
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=743498605708135&set=pb.100001440066246.-2207520000.1411776265.&type=3&theater

Care to defend the other Islamists who have killed? Wake up.

Gore1FL

(21,119 posts)
94. How was I defending him?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 10:39 PM
Sep 2014

Saying someone is not a Muslim is not really an insult or a compliment. Being a muslim is of no less or greater value than being a christian. Their are both equally as valueless and harmful as any religion.

Your top link did support the claim of Islamic conversion. I will concede that point. It did put into question whether the religion played a role.

Islam says worshiping of idols being a “manifest error.” That's why they forbid pictures of prophets. This guy had a Jesus tattoo. That's every bit as blasphemous as depicting Muhammad. As a radical Islamic disgruntled worker, you'd think he's know he's go to hell if he didn't get rid of it before he died. No virgins for him.




Gore1FL

(21,119 posts)
107. He started off as a misguided Christian and ended up as a misguided Muslim.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 10:27 PM
Sep 2014

On edit, misguided is redundant when it comes to religion as all of them are misguided.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
40. I keep saying the news hype can trigger an episode with the borderline....
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:19 PM
Sep 2014

Right after 9/11 some disturbed individual tried to cut the throat of a random bus driver with a box cutter.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
51. Didn't one of the diaries at Jamestown talk about a guy beheading his wife, eating her? Kept
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:13 PM
Sep 2014

the head out of respect, of course. I think that was after they had dug up and eaten the dead native Americans they could find. One could argue hunger, but I find it weird to be rationalizing the reasons for beheading someone for your own convenience, for culinary or religious reasons.

I don't see this as any more barbaric than the good people of Centralia, Washington who, still today it is is reported, laugh about their people dragging Wesley Everest from the jail, hanging him twice since the first rope was too short, reaching their hand in his pants and fondling then then cutting off his penis, and then shooting him after he strangled from the rope. No investigation, and a humorous report by the coroner. And their descendants are likely running that town today.

Or the good people of Coeure d'Alene, ID, who would imprison the IWW workers in open air pens, then violate their wives in front of them when they came to visit.

Or sending missiles in which blow apart and dismember innocent children, leaving their burning pieces laying over the yard for their mothers and fathers to pick up. They were doing nothing but playing in the mud on a road - but we killed them because, we say, there was another target out there we were trying to get.

Though between shootings at the Post Office in Edmond, OK and this in Moore. One wonders what happened, but these are the same people that urged their kids to attack the black ones who were being bused to my school in Oklahoma City.

Stalwart Democrats, all those parents were in 1970. You couldn't hardly get a Republican elected then. And these are their children now.

Muslims have nothing on us.



 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
83. Were these terrible things done
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:49 PM
Sep 2014

whilst the perpetrators yell "Jesus Saves!" ?

These things were done IN SPITE of what Jesus teaches whereas here and other places we see violence committed because supposedly that IS what Islam teaches. THAT is a problem for the rest of the civilized world as ISIS is showing us.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
55. And how many people are killed by gun violence - every day?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 04:35 PM
Sep 2014

According to The Brady Campaign 32 are murdered every day, eight of them children or teens under 20.

I know this will be blown out of proportion to make people fearful of our fellow Americans who happen to be Muslim; but, I would hope that DU'ers would have more intelligence!

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
79. Inspired by his interpreation of his "faith"
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:59 PM
Sep 2014

a type of hate crime so to speak. Much like there is "criminally assaulting murdering and assaulting weaker people" based on their race.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
98. Damn convenient. Gets fired and suddenly finds that his religion requires him to take retribution
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 01:55 AM
Sep 2014

against his co-workers that day?

Has nothing to do with being a Muslim. Was simply a criminal. Had to do with hate, perhaps sickness. The religion dodge is just a shiny thing.

If guilty, btw, big stupid criminal ass clown will get to visit McAlester, and likely earn the right to an injectable death. And that, today, has very real potential to be a worse death then he offered the woman he killed.

If he is at all rational, his future is gonna be filled with a lot of scary nights, though they might have been already.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
72. People have already been killing "for jihad" in the US.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 06:25 PM
Sep 2014

The news just doesnt like to focus on it.
Naveed Haq, Ali Muhammad Brown(killed 4), and of course Nadal Hassan ( regardless of the govt not wanting to call it what it is)

With this latest story, everyone will come out of the woodwork again to say it was anything BUT an act of terror. Let's see what the FACTS are after the investigation.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
77. I was having my car worked on and Faux "News" was blaring in the waiting room...
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:32 PM
Sep 2014

Eventually I had enough and got the staff to change the channel on the TV after those of us in the waiting room couldn't get the remote to work. Hearing the five blowholes going on about Islam and everything else was pissing me off. It's hard to work remotely from a waiting room when you got these five fucking idiots spewing away.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
80. Fact is there is a vioent interpretation of Islam
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:01 PM
Sep 2014

that is being used to justify these acts. A very small minority to be sure, but enough to wreak havoc around the world.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
82. I am not aware of any
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:36 PM
Sep 2014

Christians calling for the death of all non-Christians in the name of Christ....

Cant say the same for Islam unfortunately.



 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
95. Have you checked the scorecard lately?
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:45 PM
Sep 2014

The information is out there if you're willing to look at it.

Or you can go on thinking that radical Islam is some boogeyman invented by the West to steal oil. Or something.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
103. This is one time I wish he had had a gun.
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 03:54 PM
Sep 2014

There is something about the idea of beheading that just gives me chills and the creeps. I would much rather die from a gun than a beheading.

But that's just me.

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
109. So how does Islam work?
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:45 PM
Sep 2014

According to what this sicko believes, is she supposed to serve him in the afterlife when he gets there?

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