Russia: US Airstrikes in Syria Violate International Law

[Purveyor]

Source: Voice of America

Scott Stearns

September 26, 2014 3:39 PM
UNITED NATIONS—

Russia says U.S. and Arab allies bombing Islamic State militants in Syria are violating international law because they have not received permission from authorities in Damascus.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says any use of force against terrorist threats should be done in accordance with international law and with the consent of the countries where that use of force is taking place.

Speaking to reporters at the United Nations, Lavrov said, "It's very important that such cooperation with Syrian authorities is established, even now that it is an accomplished fact, because excluding Syrian authorities from the struggle that is taking place, the effort that is taking place on their territory not only goes against international law but undermines the efficiency of the effort.

Unlike Iraq, which has requested airstrikes against Islamic State fighters, U.S. and allied attacks in Syria have been made without the permission of President Bashar al-Assad.

Read more: http://www.voanews.com/content/russia-us-airstrikes-syria-violate-international-law/2463923.html

[7962]

1. Well, they should know! Ukraine is proof of that. nt

[delrem]

2. Yah!

Fuck that pootie poot!

Now, let's get back to enjoying that bombing of Syria that we've been yearning for!

[Purveyor]

3. Russia is doing 'airstrikes' over Ukraine? Guess I missed that. eom

[7962]

4. An attack is an attack, regardless of its delivery.

I guess assisting in the downing of a civilian airliner could count too.

[Purveyor]

8. A definitive conclusion as to who shot down that airliner has not been reached but

you can continue to beat that pony if you wish.

[7962]

12. The rebels took credit for the shootdown when they thought it was military.

Thats a fact. And since the Russians have been assisting them with supplies and in person (the rebels admit Russians have been with them all along), its not out of the question to suspect one of them could have been in charge of the missile system that took down the plane. You dont just operate those systems after you get off work at the auto shop.

[Billy Budd]

18. None of that is true

its bogus and rank...the Kiev Junta produced some doctored up tapes .....total US government Kiev Bull exhaust...where are the US satellite surveillance photos of the shoot down...where are they ???

[7962]

20. Ha. Since when do we release every satellite photo we get? We usually dont

It reveals too much of what we can do.
And the Ukrainians aregood enough to post twitter feeds as soon as an event happens, huh. Oh wait, I'm betting the CIA helped them to do it, right?
Here's real proof
http://news.yahoo.com/rebel-suggests-insurgents-shot-down-malaysia-plane-mistake-174750060.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/07/18/smoking-guns-russian-separatists-shot-down-malaysian-plane/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702002/US-Russia-created-conditions-shoot-down.html

But you wont believe any of it anyway

[Billy Budd]

23. why the CIA would never mislead

They do murders they do extortion they do torture but lying and misleading never only Devil Putin does that


Your proof is commonly referred to as horse crap


Social media has a photo of a weaponized Russian shark taking on a Helicopter


The US created conditions for the shoot down by supporting Nazis whoi shoot ballistic missiles at civilians ....

Gee I wonder why I would not believe US media or US government given their record of Telling truth waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa sucker

Hey that Saddam had Nuclear weapons ready eh I mean big boy Colin Powell went to the UN and said so and people like you swallow that bunco like its elixir

[7962]

25. Just as I expected, its always the CIA. They did 9/11 too, right?

Are they responsible for your girlfriend breaking up with you too? Its laughable when the only defense against ANY facts is "the CIA did it/faked it" Everything announced on DU can be explained away by using your silly logic.

A LOT of educated people spoke the truth of the WMDs in Iraq. The evidence was there, but it was ignored. And the evidence is here too. But for whatever reason you seem to have, keep on cheering for that man's man, Putin.

[Billy Budd]

27. No like I said the US is 100 percent truthful

and the CIA has never mislead anyone...Dude please think a little bit what proof has been provided by the US that Russia shot down that plane...ZERO ....The US President started wailing that it was Russia who did it and used that to commit economic aggression against Russia in the form of sanctions by the EU on Russia...they will bitterly regret having obeyed the US orders...recall what happened to the US client state of Georgia when it attacked South Ossetia and had its ass handed to it by the Russians ..

can you tell me what evidence you are talking about ? Kiev Government doctored tapes on the internet is not proof of anything...Russia released its radar and other tracking data ...where are the US photos of the shoot down ???? you says we have it but its classified ...is that a joke ? its classified so we have to believe it ...NOT ME get another sucker for that ...

[7962]

30. No proof that Kiev put out the media feed. It was claimed by the rebels as it happened

But I'm also sure there are plenty of Infowars type sites out there to back up your claims.
I would think Fox News would be chomping at the bit to be able to pin this on the Obama administration if it were true.
And I didnt say it was definitely a Russian who did the shootdown. But Russia is supplying the rebels and working with them in Ukraine, so it is entirely possible. The rebels have admitted that they have high level SAM systems and they have admitted that they have Russians fighting with them. I guess the footage of the missiles leaving the area after the shootdown are faked as well. I guess those guys are CIA plants, too.

And no, I DONT think the govt tells the truth ALL of the time.

[Billy Budd]

32. Those photos were fake as a matter of fact

when analyzed advertisements for automobile services seen on the photo itself showed that it was taken in a town held by the Kiev forces ...I would link you to a variety of sources for that but you have pre labeled anything I come up with as "Infowars type sites"...you prefer to believe Colin Powell types with lots of gravitas .....

[7962]

33. The rebels have admitted that they had the systems as well as Russians.

They're part of the conspiracy too, huh?
And the State Dept has released satellite photos showing not only movement of weapons into Ukraine from Russia, but firing FROM russia. But I forgot, those are fake too. Colin Powell and all that.
I guess I'll start reading RT so I can get the REAL TRUE news that you get.
Think Putins finished with his expansion plans yet? Do you? Because he's not.

[Billy Budd]

34. we are expanding ....military actions

into Ukraine Syria Libya Iraq part II Africa all for noble good reasons too...I bet a few Freedoms and Democracy buzz words are needed....

[7962]

44. The difference being that Russia plans to occupy & control

And we sure havent done much in Libya recently either

[Billy Budd]

46. we use proxies

Like in Kiev and Egypt...we own them....

[Billy Budd]

47. dude we created ISIS

in order to murder Gaddafi ....the Israel US Saudi axis of Evil is loose in the Middle East that is why heads are rolling

[7962]

52. Thats right, I forgot! Its the JEWS!!

[Billy Budd]

61. pathetic bottom of the barrel whiny response

The old reliable "wah wahhh mama he is anti Semitic".....disgusting and stupid

[7962]

62. You're the one who put Israel in the blame for ISIS, not me.

I never said you were anti semitic. I dont equate any criticism of Israel as being anti-semitic. Usually its just grasping at straws. And you managed to include the US, Israel AND the Saudis!!

[Billy Budd]

63. get from my face

I have no respect of any kind for a whiny fool like you ...You are another whinny Hasbara Israel Uber Alles member

[7962]

65. HAHAHAHAHAAHA! You likely wont last around here if your that weak.

[7962]

67. I'm LAUGHING at you, not crying. So you quote Alternet? Even better.

Dont recall him calling for the same thing when Palestinians blow up restaurants or buses. And again, since you have a hard time comprehending, I never called you an anti-Semite. Hamas is responsible for the plight of their people. They ended up taking the same terms set up by the Egyptians that they turned down days into the war. THEY openly admit to using human shields. Stop firing rockets and digging tunnels, you dont get destroyed. There were more protests in the US than in ANY Arab country. Why? Because they know Hamas brought all this on themselves.
I'll wait on your link to InfoWars for more detailed information.

[Billy Budd]

69. Hasbara cry boy

Were the Wahadans used as human shields? That’s an open and legitimate question. In other areas, I documented cases in which the use of human shields by Israeli soldiers was undeniable. On the outskirts of Rafah, for instance, soldiers stripped 19-year-old Mahmoud Abu Said of his clothes and stood him in front of windows in his home while they sniped at his neighbors. In Khuza’a, members of the Najjar family told me soldiers forced them to stand at opposite corners of their roof for a full day. And in the northern village of Oum Al Nasser, members of the Mismeh, Madhoun and Jarrad family told me they forced to sit in the center of town for three hours between 6:30am and 9:30am on July 18 — 100 meters in front of Israeli tanks.
http://www.alternet.org/world/israel-put-trial-war-crimes?page=0%2C1
In most cases, those used as human shields and members of their families were abducted and taken to prisons inside Israel for weeks of harsh interrogations. Afeef Jarrad, 32, and his 26-year-old brother, Ahmad, of Oum Al Nasser told me they were abducted after being used as human shields on July 18, and were held respectively for eight and 16 days in a prison in Ashkelon. They were beaten all along the way, then interrogated in vain about the Qassam Brigades. “There was no sleep. They sat us on the chair for six hours and sat us in the cell, then brought us back to the chair three or four hours later. We didn’t know if it was night or day.” It was the same for Mahmoud Abu Said of Rafah, who was kidnapped by the soldiers who used him as a human shield, held in prison for several days before being dumped at the Erez checkpoint. He was so traumatized when I met him he collapsed several times while delivering his testimony. When I met Hani Najjar, he told me several members of his family had been abducted and were still in Israeli prisons.

[7962]

70. Hamas publicly told residents to ignore Israeli warnings to leave. Its on video.

Theres also video showing people running INTO buildings that Israel targeted with flares as a warning. Some of that article may be true, some not. Its common for Palestinians to fake lots of things. Even CNN caught them faking injury videos. I'm sure some Israeli troops did things they should be punished for. that happens in a war. The US had some troops who were disciplined and even jailed for misconduct.
The bottom line is that if you want peace in the middle east, dont attack Israel. If you DO attack them, you'll be destroyed. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc have all been living peacefully with them for years ever since they figured it out. Oh, they have abandoned Hamas too, for the most part.
But you keep wishing for that hanging. And keep up the Israel/ISIS connection too, its great for laughs

[ctsnowman]

29. lol Love it.

[Adrahil]

21. Oh come on...

Besides, the annexation of Crimea is a CLEAR violation of the sovereignty of Ukraine.

[Purveyor]

22. The people of Crimea voted to separate from Ukraine just as the peoples of

Ukraine voted to separate from Russia shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Why is the vote to separate from the USSR legit but the vote to separate from Ukraine by the people of Crimea not?

[7962]

31. so itd be fine with you if Texas voted to secede

[candelista]

38. What?

Texas=Crimea?

[7962]

43. Crimea is part of the Ukraine; Texas is part of the US.

Or Mexico could re-claim it like Russia did

[candelista]

48. They aren't alike.

For one thing, Texas has been part of the US for almost 200 years. Crimea was "given" to Ukraine by Kruschev in the 1950s.

[7962]

49. using that logic, half the countries in the ME & Europe could "vote" to change

Crimea actually took over Moscow long ago. Maybe the vote should've been the other way around!

[Billy Budd]

64. It was fine with you when it was Kosovo

When the brutal US Empire bombed the former Yugoslavia and had a lovely secession of Kosovo...you are a one hundred percent backer of Imperial America

[amandabeech]

35. The observers were from the BNP and Jobbik and other similar right-wing groups

that you would think would be supporting the "Nazis" in Kiev. Instead, they were telling Putin that the Crimea election was AOK.

Meanwhile, Putin refused to allow in OSCE observers would could have given a report on the fairness of the election.

And I'm sure you've seen the numbers that were put up accidentally afterwards.

I wonder what Bernie Sanders has to say about the situation in Crimea. Do you know his position on that invasion and the "election?"

[Adrahil]

36. The break-up of the Soviet Union was a consentual event.

The annexation of Crimea entirely ignored the sovereign authority of Ukraine.


But go ahead and continue to be Putin's lap dog. If the US did something like this, you'd be screaming bloody murder, and rightly so.

[7962]

50. Not to mention Ukraine giving up its nukes with the promise to be left alone

Which Russia, of course, quickly violated.
But some folks on DU dont even believe that agreement was "binding".

[Duckhunter935]

56. I know it is sad

Now Ukraine is looking at getting back into the nuclear game for is survival since nobody enforced the agreement to help them from the Russian invasion and annexation of part of the country.

This will also cause other countries to get nukes as they will not be attacked if they have them to respond.

[Billy Budd]

24. the entire world knows

The entire world knows that Washington overthrew the elected Ukrainian government, that Washington refuses to release its satellite photos of the destruction of the Malaysian airliner, that Ukraine refuses to release its air traffic control instructions to the airliner, that Washington has prevented a real investigation of the airliner's destruction, that European experts on the scene have testified that both sides of the airliner's cockpit demonstrate machine gun fire, an indication that the airliner was shot down by the Ukrainian jets that were following it. Indeed, there has been no explanation why Ukrainian jets were close on the heels of an airliner directed by Ukrainian air traffic control.

[Adrahil]

37. SSSUUUUURREEEEE...... More Putin Apologists. NT

[Blue_Tires]

60. Once the Dutch Safety Board officially states beyond a doubt

that a missile brought the jetliner down, the British have said they can pinpoint the trajectory to the launch site to an accuracy within 5 meters...(although we DO have a definitive conclusion on who prevented air crash investigators from accessing the site for 72 hours while it was looted and tampered with)

And once that final report lays out all the facts, I fully expect a bunch of Putin apologist DUers to conveniently forget MH17 ever existed...

[Cha]

11. Haven't you heard? It's okay for Russia to do whatever the hell it wants for some on this board..

Putin needs to stfu about "violation of international law".

[7962]

13. Apparently, Cha!

[Billy Budd]

19. Obama

our Nobel Laureate bomber needs to stop his killing spree..what is the Nobel Laureate going on now 7 countries bombed ??/ I call that Blood thirsty

[salib]

9. Whatever happened to this place?

No wonder the Libertarians have some pull. They could. Easily be seen as more peaceful than this crowd.

[geek tragedy]

14. Libertarians only have pull because it's easier to be a troll here

these days.

[Cha]

16. "pull"? Like Rand Paul?

Spewing bullshit like this asshole..



l trust these Democrats.. they give it to us straight up and are standing with the President...

Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren, all well respected leaders, have access and know a hellava lot more about this than those on the internet who can't grasp this isn't being run by the bush-cheney neocon crowd.

"I think we need to attack ISIS. I'm really concerned about them."

"Is the bombing of ISIS justified? I say yes. And I hope President Obama has every possible success in getting allies to join with us, some with ground troops effected inside Syria."

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5566788

Bernie stands with the President on this "Enormously complicated issue".. as he calls it. He disagrees with staying out of ISIS like some around are clamoring on about.

As he stated it's an "International effort" and guess what.. "they have to put money in it too."

Senator Sanders also said Assad Gassed his own people.. whether the conspiracy theorists around here believe it or not..

Hartman and he talked about one republiCon saying.. they'll "blast him if it doesn't work and ask why he didn't do it sooner if it does." Sounds like a familiar whine.

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5527989

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she supports President Obama's decision to authorize airstrikes in Iraq

BOSTON — Warning against a new U.S. war in Iraq, U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Friday stood by President Barack Obama’s decision to authorize targeted airstrikes to help defend Americans in Erbil, Iraq, and provide aid to a religious minority taking refuge in the Sinjar mountains.

“It’s a complicated situation right now in Iraq and the president has taken very targeted actions to provide humanitarian relief that the Iraqi government requested, and to protect American citizens,” Warren told reporters. “But like the president I believe that any solution in Iraq is going to be a negotiated solution, not a military solution. We do not want to be pulled into another war in Iraq.”


Senator Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., said she supports president Barack Obama's decision to authorize new airstrikes in Iraq but cautioned against U.S. involvement in a new war in the Middle East.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/sen_elizabeth_warren_warns_abo.html



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[7962]

26. And even Rand supports striking ISiS. His dad, nope.

Paul wants congressional authorization, but he's said he's in favor of the Presidents action

[candelista]

39. Somehow these appeals to authority don't do it for me.

Are you really surer about bombing ISIS because these politicians support it? Don't you want think for yourself about the danger posed by ISIS, the potential for collateral damage, and the likelihood of a quagmire war? How could these people's opinion matter here? Their arguments, perhaps, but their bare opinions?

[ColesCountyDem]

5. Comrade Major Putin is an expert on violations of international law. n/t

[candelista]

41. If Putin said that 2 + 2 = 4....

...you would find something wrong with it.

[ColesCountyDem]

42. No, I wouldn't.

2 + 2 always equals 4. Likewise, Comrade Major Putin will always be nothing more than a KGB thug.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

[candelista]

58. So you're a Putin supporter!

See? You already agree with him about something. What other Putin positions do you endorse?

[ColesCountyDem]

59. Probably none.

[7962]

51. But then Putin would steal my math book.

[ColesCountyDem]

71. And claim that your math book wanted independence. n/t

[salib]

6. We do not have permission. That is simply true.

Now, one could argue with a civil war that it is unclear whom we should ask. Still, that is a weak excuse foe war.

[KG]

7. 'International Law' is whatever the u.s. says it is.

[salib]

10. We'll, we definitely try to avoid being under the jurisdiction of international courts.

[Comrade Grumpy]

15. The Russians are hypocrites, and they are correct.

[Fred Sanders]

17. Russia is right about international law....inconvenient truth for America, for sure and

anything to do with Ukraine makes this truth no less truthful: bombing another country without their consent is illegal...no matter who says it.

Not to mention against American law.

[samsingh]

28. russia has no moral authority left

[candelista]

40. Neither does the US.

So let's not talk about "authority." Let's talk about the issues. What danger does ISIS pose? What are the risks of collateral damage? What are the risks of another quicksand war? What would be achieved if ISIS were destroyed?

[Cha]

45. Hell no it doesn't.. but that doesn't stop them from Huffing and Puffing their big fat gas

bag hypocritical self.

And, I'll just put this out there.. I don't give a shite what the putinistas think about anything.

[giftedgirl77]

53. I don't give a damn what Russia thinks.

Their opinion ranks right up there with McCain's, O'Reilly's, Cruz's, or any other of those fuckers. Fuck them.

[orpupilofnature57]

54. All the same ilk, I agree.

[reorg]

55. You don't give a damn about facts?

It's not an "opinion" that airstrikes over Syria unauthorized by the Syrian government are in violation of Syria's sovereignty. But you seem to agree with fuckers like McCain, O'Reilly and Cruz that facts don't matter in this case.

[Duckhunter935]

57. I do not see Seria complaining very loudly

They cannot control their own territory from the ISIS illegally armed group that is attacking another sovereign nation from Syrian territory.

[giftedgirl77]

72. Hahahaha, nice try.

Russia, who has been violating international law for months with their bullshit with Ukraine can take their bullshit & shove it up their ass. When the country involved or the rest of the UN has an issue then I'll take notice but Putin might as well work for Faux.