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AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:00 AM Oct 2014

Pentagon Dispatches 101st Airborne to Africa to Tackle Ebola

Source: Time

While the U.S. military has dispatched some 1,600 troops to Iraq in recent weeks to deal with the threats posed by Islamic militants there, it apparently was saving its big guns for a more insidious threat: the Ebola virus.

On Tuesday, the Pentagon announced it will soon have about 1,600 troops in western Africa dealing with the spreading scourge—and that nearly half of them will come from the Army’s storied 101st Airborne Division.

“It’s not an armed threat,” Rear Admiral John Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said of the Ebola virus Tuesday. But “just like any other threat, we take it very, very seriously.” While U.S. troops will not be tending to those infected with the disease, he said, they will be “trained on personal protective equipment and on the disease itself…we’ll make sure that they’ve got the protection that they need.”


Read more: http://time.com/3452703/ebola-101st-airborne-africa/



With this deployment, 5 of the Army's 10 Division Command Posts are deployed. (2nd ID Korea, 1st ID going to Iraq, 101st to Liberia, 10th Mountain and 4th ID in Afghanistan. 1st Armored is on Homeland Defense Duty, 25th is the Global Disaster Response Force. This means that from a Command and Control perspective only 3rd Infantry Division, 82nd Airborne, and 1st Cav Division's remain the only Command And Control nodes available to respond to any other crisis. This Army is starting to get stretched thin again from a C2 perspective. YEESH!!!
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Pentagon Dispatches 101st Airborne to Africa to Tackle Ebola (Original Post) AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 OP
They damn well better have "personal protection equipment" Sopkoviak Oct 2014 #1
I am concerned they won't AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #2
I think it's probably infrastructure support, not front line medical care. pinto Oct 2014 #5
The Army has Medical Brigades AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #6
I did not know this. Thank you for your informed perspective AllyCat Oct 2014 #23
so do I 1dogleft Oct 2014 #16
I would assume that this would be the Engineers since they are going to do such things as build jwirr Oct 2014 #29
What do you mean "bullets in their weapons" ? pinto Oct 2014 #4
What I mean is that there has been some speculation that because this is a "humanitarian" mission Sopkoviak Oct 2014 #7
I think I agree with you. Panic can get out of hand. While you are building a hospital someone has jwirr Oct 2014 #30
Honestly Pinto AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #8
Thanks for your personal background. pinto Oct 2014 #9
this is the first pandemic of the crappy world we are now entering roguevalley Oct 2014 #13
This is more due to economic warfare than "climate change" Demeter Oct 2014 #15
the war in Libya --> Mali ... quadrature Oct 2014 #18
Can you give me a better understanding of the economic war that is going on in that area of Africa? jwirr Oct 2014 #31
short term...the war against Ghadaffi started the troubles ... quadrature Oct 2014 #36
Okay I understand that. A good book that helps people understand these interlinked situations is jwirr Oct 2014 #37
AFRICOM.....Our Huge Command & Control Base in Italy KoKo Oct 2014 #26
Well, hell yes they'll have "personal protection equipment!" Oh, wait... KansDem Oct 2014 #19
+1 pinto Oct 2014 #3
It says they are from a headquarters unit Marrah_G Oct 2014 #10
And? AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #12
Just that it seems like a very appropriate use of talent? Marrah_G Oct 2014 #17
Seabees went in last week mwrguy Oct 2014 #11
The only thing that can stop ebola is a good guy with a gun. nt TeamPooka Oct 2014 #14
And if that doesn't work, I guess the only other option is to... Turborama Oct 2014 #20
101st Airborne? Are they planning on shooting Ebola to death? hobbit709 Oct 2014 #21
They are going to build hospitals, coordinate the response to this crisis, etc. It may not be their jwirr Oct 2014 #33
Anyone else having a vision of Return of the Living Dead? AllyCat Oct 2014 #22
I think this is a great idea. Trillo Oct 2014 #24
Oh, let's just shoot all the ebola victims. That will keep it from spreading. alarimer Oct 2014 #25
We can't let any opportunity go to waste when we can get "Boots on the Ground." KoKo Oct 2014 #27
guns and ammo are for security seveneyes Oct 2014 #35
I worry about experimental vaccines riverwalker Oct 2014 #28
Don't worry the pharmachutical companies have plenty of black people to experiment with already. jwirr Oct 2014 #34
Good. They can shoot the virus I guess. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #32
The units deploying are mostly medical, engineers and logistical. Link below to the story neverforget Oct 2014 #38
Thanks pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #39
So.... AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #40
Division HQ's command multiple brigades. Since there are multiple brigades and smaller units neverforget Oct 2014 #41
I work at a Division Command Post AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #42
What other higher unit HQ should coordinate the multiple brigades? neverforget Oct 2014 #43
Any of these RMC's would do nicely AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #44
From what I gather looking at the US Army website is that those MEDCOM's are garrison type neverforget Oct 2014 #45
And that is the scary part AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #46
 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
2. I am concerned they won't
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:27 AM
Oct 2014

The units in FORSCOM (Forces Command) are not exactly prepared for this, they are warfighters, not disease fighters. I have a bad feeling about this.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
5. I think it's probably infrastructure support, not front line medical care.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:41 AM
Oct 2014

The regions most impacted have limited nuts and bolts set up to meet the needs of communities.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
6. The Army has Medical Brigades
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:47 AM
Oct 2014

to address those issues. In fact there are several of them down in San Antonio at Fort Sam Houston. The 101st is a WARFIGHTING UNIT, less than one year back from Afghanistan, meaning that most of the personnel in the unit are fresh off of a COMBAT DEPLOYMENT. If you wanted to send a humanitarian package, you would not send a unit that is less than a year removed from heavy combat against the Taliban in RC-East. Again this feels like a something else.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
29. I would assume that this would be the Engineers since they are going to do such things as build
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:38 AM
Oct 2014

hospitals and such. They will also have their own medical units to take care of health problems. I am not so worried about them not knowing what they are doing there. I am glad that they will have all the equipment they need. We sent one army to war without armor that is enough.

 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
7. What I mean is that there has been some speculation that because this is a "humanitarian" mission
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:49 AM
Oct 2014

That the soldiers might not be armed.

They are being deployed to an area of the world where burial details and humanitarian workers are being attacked by panicking people and infected people are being dragged out of the medical facilities by family members.

Just saying that our people better be armed.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
30. I think I agree with you. Panic can get out of hand. While you are building a hospital someone has
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:39 AM
Oct 2014

to watch your back.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
8. Honestly Pinto
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:49 AM
Oct 2014

I hope they are also going in fully armed. I have bad memories of almost getting swarmed over when I went to Haiti in the mid 1990's and without our Humvees firing their .50 Cal's over the heads of the locals, there would have been several American dead soldiers as a result of those poor desperate people that were trying to overpower us to get at out food and supplies.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
13. this is the first pandemic of the crappy world we are now entering
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:51 AM
Oct 2014

pandemic illness is part and parcel of global climate change

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
18. the war in Libya --> Mali ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:47 AM
Oct 2014

(sarcasm)

the war in Libya --> coup in Mali-->
General unrest in the area,-->
food shortages due to war -->
fruitbat, its whats for dinner.
did not cause Ebola

it was economic warfare.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
31. Can you give me a better understanding of the economic war that is going on in that area of Africa?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:44 AM
Oct 2014

All of the things you can cause a situation where disease flourishes. Why is it not all of the above?

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
36. short term...the war against Ghadaffi started the troubles ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:13 PM
Oct 2014

not sarcasm, this is my opinion.

long term, some people think that the peoples
of Africa are having their resources stolen,
I will leave that discussion for some other time.

short term. the troubles were made
Much Worse by this chain of events-->

war against Ghadaffi, --> weapons everywhere -->
coup/civil war in Mali -->
unrest and war everywhere in the region -->
food shortages --> people eat fruitbat -->
Ebola

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
37. Okay I understand that. A good book that helps people understand these interlinked situations is
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:27 PM
Oct 2014

"Bread for the World". It is also an organization that lobbies for hunger issues but the book really makes it clear how this happens. And if we (the whole world) do not start learning this is going to take all of us down. What happens in Africa happens to us also.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. AFRICOM.....Our Huge Command & Control Base in Italy
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:12 AM
Oct 2014

Great way to get "boots on the ground." Send in the military under guise of fighting Ebola..

Once troops are there....they don't leave.

Cynical? Yes...there's reason to be skepital after our track record.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
10. It says they are from a headquarters unit
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:37 AM
Oct 2014

"700-strong headquarters unit from the 101st would head to Liberia by the month’s end to help coordinate the response to the epidemic."

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
17. Just that it seems like a very appropriate use of talent?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:42 AM
Oct 2014

And perhaps people didn't realize that the 101st had so many different types of units?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
33. They are going to build hospitals, coordinate the response to this crisis, etc. It may not be their
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:49 AM
Oct 2014

first line of work but who else are you going to send to help stop this illness from going much further? Other countries are also responding. This is a world crisis.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
24. I think this is a great idea.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:35 AM
Oct 2014

A much better use of troops than killing people, imagine using them to save lives instead. I hope they'll all be safe, and that their efforts are successful. Maybe it will be a trend for the future, fewer bullets and more helping hands.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
25. Oh, let's just shoot all the ebola victims. That will keep it from spreading.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:42 AM
Oct 2014

Do I really need this?

This strikes me as a spectacularly bad idea. Not a way to get them to trust us.

Send medical personnel and epidemiologists, nurses, etc. But guns and ammo? Turn it into a war zone? WTF.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
27. We can't let any opportunity go to waste when we can get "Boots on the Ground."
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:17 AM
Oct 2014

Especially in a crucial area like African Continent. Mining, Minerals, Oil and competition from China for "Development." A great opportunity under the guise of humanitarian relief. Same as always.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
35. guns and ammo are for security
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:05 AM
Oct 2014

If you think it's not needed, ask the dead folks that were killed while trying to help fight Ebola.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
28. I worry about experimental vaccines
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:20 AM
Oct 2014

Using our troops as guinea pigs to test some new Ebola vaccine.
Seems in Desert Storm they were given shit load of untested vaccines, resulting in Gulf War Syndrome.
Big Pharma must be drooling at the potential $$ in Ebola.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
34. Don't worry the pharmachutical companies have plenty of black people to experiment with already.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:51 AM
Oct 2014

neverforget

(9,513 posts)
38. The units deploying are mostly medical, engineers and logistical. Link below to the story
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 07:33 PM
Oct 2014
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/03/u-s-military-force-fighting-ebola-virus-could-grow-to-4000-troops/

The Army plans to deploy 3,200 soldiers, service officials said Friday. Other units involved include the 101st Sustainment Brigade; the 86th Combat Support Hospital, 44th Medical Brigade; and a military police company with the 16th Military Police Brigade. All of those units are based at Fort Campbell, and will combine to provide medical, logistical and security support for the mission, known as Operation United Assistance.
......
The soldiers from Fort Hood include 500 soldiers from the 1st Medical Brigade, the 36th Engineer Brigade and the 85th Civil Affairs Brigade, officials said. Fort Carson will send about 160 soldiers from the 4th Engineer Battalion, and Fort Bragg will deploy 120 soldiers for engineering and public affairs. The 20th Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear and Explosives Command at Aberdeen will send 10 soldiers for laboratory work, and about 100 soldiers from Fort Benning, Fort Stewart and Fort Eustis will round out the force.

The units will begin deploying by late October, and may continue to through November, depending on the need and transportation available, Army officials said.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
39. Thanks
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 12:01 PM
Oct 2014

I'd heard cable news reports Thursday morning that that engineers were included in the other portion of the deployments, not the 101st. It sounded like the Screaming Eages' "headquarters" deployment would be division-level support units like the Sustainment Brigade.

The local news organ covering Ft. Campbell also published a detailed report:

101st deploying to Liberia to fight Ebola epidemic
http://www.fortcampbellcourier.com/news/article_68d50d32-4a7a-11e4-9137-b3c8c53a732d.html

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
40. So....
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 08:55 PM
Oct 2014

since each of those units has its own Command and Control Node, why is a warfighting command being sent. It is like sending a crate of grenades along with a shipment of vaccines. It makes no sense.

neverforget

(9,513 posts)
41. Division HQ's command multiple brigades. Since there are multiple brigades and smaller units
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 09:04 PM
Oct 2014

being deployed, a division HQ is needed to coordinate those units. Brigades are commanded by Colonels so a general and his staff are needed to make sure the units are where they're supposed to be doing what they need too.

Link to US Army command structure:
http://www.army.mil/info/organization/unitsandcommands/oud/

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
42. I work at a Division Command Post
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 09:07 PM
Oct 2014

I work at 1AD at Fort Bliss, that is why I keep posting. This is so illogical in force structure. Again, this unit is not configured for this mission. They are commands within MEDCOM that make sense, a CP of warfighters is illogical.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
44. Any of these RMC's would do nicely
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 11:12 PM
Oct 2014

The job of a Division CP (specifically the 101st) is to conduct Intelligence, Maneuver warfare and Command and Control for FORSCOM Brigades. The 101st exists within FORSCOM, not MEDCOM. Ergo it is highly illogical to retask the force structure and have a FORSCOM unit lead a MEDCOM mission. MEDCOM units train together and train with these RMC's as their higher headquarters. They do not train with FORSCOM units. Therefore there will be massive Command and Control challenges. This is not a criticism of PBO, but this is a clusterfuck.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Medical_Command

neverforget

(9,513 posts)
45. From what I gather looking at the US Army website is that those MEDCOM's are garrison type
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 11:37 PM
Oct 2014

units that don't deploy. If these were all medical units deploying, I would agree with you. However, with a mix units such as these (medical, MP, engineers), I think an HQ such as the 101st is appropriate. Whether or not that this particular divisional HQ is the right one, I don't know. The JCS and US Army HQ made the call.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
46. And that is the scary part
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 12:32 AM
Oct 2014

This feels like a decision that was made because there were no other options.


But they are not in FORSCOM. That is the whole point. The COMS exist to plug in the right units to the right mission. MP's, Engineers, etc all have their own command structures. We are taking a FORSCOM WARFIGHTER UNIT and putting it in charge of a Humanitarian mission with units that have no experience working with each other. The JCS and The Pentagon are not exactly known for always making good decisions.

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