Armed demonstrators stroll through downtown St. Louis

[Mister Nightowl]

Source: Kansas City Star

10/26/2014 9:29 AM

About 40 demonstrators armed with pistols and rifles – and a 19-month-old toddler with a toy gun – took to the streets of downtown St. Louis on Saturday afternoon to assert their right to carry guns openly in public.

The crowd walked along sidewalks from Citygarden to the Gateway Arch, surprising tourists along the route. The heavily armed crowd shouted “Congrats!” to surprised wedding parties posing for pictures in Kiener Plaza.

They carried pistols in holsters and long guns slung from their shoulders.

About 10 St. Louis police officers watched the gathering at Citygarden but didn’t interfere or follow the group on their walk. National Park police snapped pictures as the group walked on to the Arch grounds.

At Citygarden, a slightly larger group of counterprotesters gathered, many coming from a nearby meeting of Amnesty International.



Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/missouri/article3386108.html

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I included the last paragraph (#5: AIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!) to show that there were some sane people there.

[2naSalit]

1. Let me guess...

None of them were dark skinned.... amiright?

[valerief]

12. +1000

[SCVDem]

19. Where's the picture?

In my mind I see over-weight, middle-aged+ and white male.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

[NYC_SKP]

36. You're wrong. Here's a pic of two Gun Rights supporters talking with a diverse group.

Did you know that stereotyping is a form of bigotry?

Did you know that?

"I see over-weight, middle-aged+ and white male." tells us a lot about YOU.

It's kind of disgusting.

Here:



http://www.stltoday.com/gallery/news/local/open-carry-firearm-walk/collection_2f782c21-5438-5f08-9f62-b864a39cd4cb.html

[progree]

68. Thank you. Well, at least he didn't characterize them as pot-bellied, bald, & pasty-complexioned

(though he didn't say pot-bellied, he did say overweight; still that's a much gentler term than some of what I see around here when people's physical characteristics are gratuitously demeaned)

Thanks again for speaking up about this all too common form of "progressive" bigotry.

"I see over-weight, middle-aged+ and white male." tells us a lot about YOU.

It's kind of disgusting.

Well, come to think of it, "middle-aged+" is a lot gentler than "old geezer", which I saw here (on another thread) yesterday. [font color = blue]Edited to add: And well, actually, in fairness, "middle-aged+" is not derogatory if it's true, and not just some assumption based on assuming most/all non-young people are evil or jerks in one way or another. [/font]

Yes, "old geezer" was a characterization of a terrible elderly RepubliCON, but still, I prefer we stay away from derogatory terms that are mostly used to characterize elderly people, or other broad demographic groups.

Nobody here would post something characterizing awful RW'ers like Clarence Thomas or Herman Cain using disparaging racial word(s), so why is it OK to characterize awful elderly RW'ers with disparaging ageist terms?

[NYC_SKP]

69. Thanks.

Welcome to what seems like a minority here who think it's not at all progressive or "OK" to smear people based on their religion or skin color or body type or, while we're at it, what region or state someone lives in (the South gets bashed regularly).

[VanillaRhapsody]

103. are you fucking kidding me? Now we have to worry about hurting RW feelings?

[progressoid]

112. It's more about making a point without resorting to Jr. High level epithets.

[VanillaRhapsody]

138. THIS is Democratic Underground....I DON'T give a fuck about sensitive Rightwinger feelings

and neither should YOU....that is if you ARE a Democrat!

[Quackers]

146. So if we don't insult people, we're not Democrats?

You're silly. And let's not forget that you're the one that brought the right winger term into it. The other poster just said, "Welcome to what seems like a minority here who think it's not at all progressive or "OK" to smear people based on their religion or skin color or body type or, while we're at it, what region or state someone lives in (the South gets bashed regularly)."

[VanillaRhapsody]

147. No if we are Democrats...we do not give a shit what racist and bigotted Rightwingers think....

I lived among them in the deep South....believe me you would get over it...


You are talking about people who think YOU are a racist for calling them one!

[wordpix]

74. this photo proves nothing, some people talking to other people

the photos of the marchers themselves show only white people, mostly men

[NYC_SKP]

76. Untrue, and if it was true does it matter a great deal?

I see some pretty dark complexions, could be multiracial, Hispanic, Native American.

It's depressing to see "progressives" try to shit on people because of the color of their skin.

[wordpix]

79. photo shows people of diverse backgrounds talking but they're not marching

The pix of the MARCHERS show 99.9% white men. How does my making this observation show I'm "shitting on people b/c of their color?" What's your evidence in my comment? I think you owe an apology.

I have worked with people of diverse backgrounds, colors, financial status, etc. all my life and never once been accused of "shitting on people b/c of the color of their skin" as you say. Besides, I'm a member of a minority group myself.

[NYC_SKP]

82. Not you.

Post 19 made the broad-brush stereotype reply.

I'm sorry that my scorn for that bigotry came out in my reply to you.

My picture is of two of the marchers having a talk with other citizens.

I wasn't there, I didn't watch the marchers but I did see five stills from the march and that was one of them.

Photographers are editors, if they want to portray a group as all-white or all-black or all full of hate, they'll select the ones that fit the narrative.

I selected one that stood out as demonstrating some reasonable interactions among a diverse group of folks at the event, including two marchers, one of whom is not white.

[wordpix]

83. ok, thanks for explaining

[paleotn]

77. Did you know....

....that thousands of Americans die annually as the price of your little obsession?

[NYC_SKP]

84. Well, that's largely because of the inequities, and poor mental health, yet unaddressed in America.

And how dare you call it "little".

[Live and Learn]

37. Actually, you are not wrong.

You can see video of the open carry protest here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/54471597

[marym625]

43. Bassem was a little shakey today n/t

[Live and Learn]

47. Not sure what you mean. At the Amnesty meeting?

I watched Jon's stream of it.

[marym625]

75. Yeah, when he went over to the gun nuts n/t

[Oktober]

167. Way to stereotype...

It shows how much thought and analysis you put into your opinions...

[Supersedeas]

168. More than a simple question

[wordpix]

73. maybe Afr. Americans in Ferguson should open carry

Let's have a level playing field, shall we?

[Hoyt]

2. Typical ignorant bigots sporting their gunz.

[BeyondGeography]

3. 40 Assholes

instead of "armed demonstrators" would be a better headline.

[justhanginon]

15. My headline would be,

"The Great Paranoid Parade draws only 50 people).
I saw it on local TV. Quite a group. I'll leave it at that, you can use your imagination and you won't be disappointed.

[logosoco]

4. What a contrast with the cops attitudes between these people, who could easily harm someone

and the people who were walking unarmed in the protests.
I am trying to figure out how, within the same geographical area, one group of people with weapons is not even questioned by the police, and when one group with a grievance tries to stand up using free speech, they get police in riot gear and tear gas.
Something is wrong here.

[Hoyt]

5. +1.

[LiberalArkie]

13. My thoughts on protest marches have changed. I think when we have protest marches

they need to have as many as possible carrying hunting rifles with them. I just wonder what would happen? Would be an interesting to watch the police with smoke coming out of their ears trying to figure out what to do.

[logosoco]

16. THere is a special kind of irony here.

The protestors are trying to bring peace and to stop the shooting by police of unarmed persons and are having guns aimed at them. These other marchers are "exercising their 2A rights" and it is just "legal". But what is it the unarmed protestors are doing that is illegal? Aren't they exercising their 1A rights?
Very strange things going on here.

[jwirr]

57. That may actually have been the subject in above picture. They may have been discussing the

difference of what would be happening if the earlier protesters had carried guns of any kind. At least that is what came to mind when I saw it.

[awoke_in_2003]

29. and the sad thing is...

most Americans can't see it.

[KingCharlemagne]

91. Not speaking in defense of the cops' inaction here, nor of the human rights violations

that occurred in Ferguson and that were documented by Amnesty International.

I wished only to point out that these marchers with their guns were doing so within the city limits of St. Louis (the city). As I understand it, that is a completely separate county from 'St. Louis County' (which houses Ferguson, Crestwood - home to Officer Wilson, and other suburbs). It may be that the policies and practices of St. Louis (the city) differ widely from the policies and practices of St. Louis County.

That said, something is rotten in the state of Denmark, this geographic anomaly notwithstanding.

[logosoco]

92. Yes, that is the way it is set up. St. Louis is not in a county, St. Louis county is made

up of several cities, including Ferguson and Crestwood.
I live in a county next to them, but I am pretty sure if a group was to march like this in the county the cops would really do anything.

[Dont call me Shirley]

6. Only in Bizzarro World

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. Any pics?

I've got my money on 'entirely white group' or 'almost all white with a token black person', given that police didn't feel the need to confront them or keep them in 'protest zones'.

If Ferguson protestors had tried that, I'm sure we'd be looking at a lot of bodybags by now.

[awoke_in_2003]

32. of course they are...

if they were African Americans doing the same thing the swat teams would be firing by now.

[bowens43]

8. These people are terrorists and should be treat as such

ANY civilian that carries a gun openly or otherwise should spend a very long time in jail.

[hughee99]

9. Well said! We need to protect our rights and fight the terrorists, even if it means completely

redefining the terms "rights" and "terrorists"!

[hack89]

14. Even if it is perfectly legal?

I thought we locked up people for breaking the law.

[Guaguacoa]

20. I've noticed that doesn't matter here.nt

[paleotn]

23. Perfectly legal and perfectly idiotic.

...it never ceases to amaze me what's perfectly legal in this country and shouldn't be verses what's perfectly illegal and shouldn't be. These clowns and their gunz are one more example to idiot America.

[hack89]

26. I agree open carry is moronic

I just don't see it as a real threat. The real violent people keep their weapons out of sight.

[Hoyt]

27. Yet gunners support concealed carry.

[hack89]

28. I was referring to illegal guns

You know as well as anyone that concealed carry permit holders have a violent crime rate well below the rate for the general public.

[Duckhunter935]

41. He knows

will never admit it but the truth is the truth

[paleotn]

78. And I know.....

....that thousands of Americans die needlessly every year as the price of your little obsession.

[Duckhunter935]

85. well it is not

an obsession. Seems like the obsession is on the other side. I do have a few firearms locked in my safe and occasionally use them for target shooting. I hope you get just as worked up over drunk and distracted driving, swimming pools and countless other items that if used in an unsafe manor will cause death or injury. Why does anyone need a swimming pool, what purpose does it serve? A firearm can be used for hunting for food and protection from dangerous animals and people.

[alp227]

31. Even when hunting or doing other legal activity? nt

[NutmegYankee]

33. How dare the peasants get protein themselves!

Don't you know, hunting is evil. You are required to get your protein laden with chemicals from a corporate grocery store and supplier. How dare you have the audacity to think that you can get meat on your own!

[NYC_SKP]

34. Seriously? Should people exercising their First Amendment Rights similarly be locked up?

You sound like my grandmother, who thought Vietnam protesters should have been mowed down with machine guns.

[Duckhunter935]

42. only if the disagree with them

It gets really sad

[jwirr]

61. It is hunting season where I live. Guns all over the place. But not in a threatening way. Many of us

hunt to supplement our food allowance.

[FormerOstrich]

10. Did they keep them moving?

Did they block their paths? Did they arrest anyone?

Hypocrisy!

[Hoyt]

56. Darn good question. I know the answer, but gungeoneers will ask fir proof.

[Helen Borg]

11. Wow, all 40 of them?

[jtuck004]

17. But they stopped for the lights at crosswalks. They know where the real power is.

'Course, if they weren't cowards, they would march in Mexico. Last about 2 minutes, then be swinging from a bridge.

I noticed they are mostly white. Coincidence they can do this in a country founded on freedom for white folk?

[arcane1]

51. Back so soon? Don't you ever get bored of it?

[uppityperson]

58. Why would someone repeatedly sign up, get banned, and have all their posts removed. over and over

and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ?

[NRaleighLiberal]

60. they get banned for not adhering to the terms of service for the site.

Being a Democratic site, we don't abide racists.

[jtuck004]

62. You mean like white thugs in pillowcase hats?

No, those marching chickenshits are cowards. Bet on it. People who aren't don't need to goose step around like some lost Nazi.

You are new. Know what the ignore button is?

[EX500rider]

71. "I noticed they are mostly white"

Why would that be surprising? Missouri is 87% white.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/29000.html

[navarth]

18. Now we've got Brownshirts.

Why weren't they arrested?

[NobodyHere]

21. What law did they break?

nt

[paleotn]

24. public stupidity, maybe? (nt)

[navarth]

40. The First Law of Anti-Asshole Behavior.

I don't know the laws of Missouri. Know what? I changed my mind. The more these fucking clowns do this shit, the more likely it is that the people of Missouri will make the law that Should Already Be Fucking In Place. Keep walking around with your guns, brownshirts. Keep demonstrating that you think violence is how to settle dispute. Keep it up, assholes.

That is all.

[otohara]

22. Why Aren't They Being Shot

to death by the We Are Darren Wilson police?

[paleotn]

25. For the same reason Cliven Bundy's "posse" wasn't shot....

....could it be....skin color? Me thinks so.

[Agalbraith]

38. Skin color doesnt make a difference.

intent does. Peacefully "protesting" or holding an open carry march? Thats fine. Violently protest? The police are going to intervene. Pretty simple equation.

its the reason the police didnt break up the open carry demonstration staged by the all black open carry group.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140820-huey-p.-newton-gun-club-leads-open-carry-rally-in-south-dallas.ece

[Live and Learn]

52. That is not true.

Those of us that have been paying attention have witnessed the police intervene on PEACEFUL PROTESTS.

[jtuck004]

67. Are you a French Model too? Perhaps you haven't been on this planet long, but this country was

on the principle that white people are the standard, and black folk are just 2/3. For a while it was getting better. Ask the dads and moms who hug their kids and know they might get shot just for their skin color before they see them again how it is today.

And feel free to try that line about peaceful protests on the Occupy folks who tried to go up against the corps.

By any chance, was that your ride?

[Agalbraith]

72. .

you make zero sense... but thanks for the random words and a picture of a truck for no reason.

[paleotn]

80. Perfect sense, actually. (nt)

[paleotn]

70. I wouldn't consider the Cliven Bundy incident....

....non-violent. Pointing guns at federal law enforcement and threatening them is certainly not non-violent. As far as protests go, this whole "open carry" nonsense is a protest looking for a real cause. No one in this administration is seriously threatening their precious, cold steel fortitude.

[Red State Rebel]

102. Because it's legal

[KingCharlemagne]

105. Indeed that, as Hamlet might say, IS the question. - nt

[jaxind]

30. Just curious...

Just curious....what would the reaction have been if it had been 40 black demonstrators openly carrying their rifles? Would the police have just stood and watched? Would the locals have reacted differently?

[Agalbraith]

39. here is your answer

All black open carry demonstration in Dallas. No problems, no police intervention. Sorry to burst your bubble.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140820-huey-p.-newton-gun-club-leads-open-carry-rally-in-south-dallas.ece

[heaven05]

49. glad to see them

from the point of view that at least some will be able to fight the bundy crowd when the bundy crowd goes off the deep end.

[jwirr]

64. Swat team with all their military equipment like we saw in Ferguson MO not all that long ago and

they would not hesitate to shot.

[gregcrawford]

35. If open carry is legal...

... what are these brain-dead jerk-offs protesting? It's been legal here in Vermont for bloody-ever, but you rarely see anyone flashing their iron purely for effect. During deer season it's not uncommon; hell I wore my sidearm into the general store more than once, but not to say, "Look at me! See how tough I am?"
To the idiots: I'm a Liberal down to my DNA, but I'm a Liberal who can snap-shoot the seeds out of a grape off-hand

[Judi Lynn]

44. Open Carry Gun Walk Attracts Attention Downtown

Open Carry Gun Walk Attracts Attention Downtown

October 26, 2014 10:36 AM

[center][/center]
ST. LOUIS (KMOX)- About three dozen gun owners turned out Saturday afternoon, with their firearms, for what they called an “educational walk” in downtown St. Louis.

They strolled from the CityGarden to the Gateway Arch

Organizer Jeffry Smith of Cincinnati, Ohio had a rifle slung on his shoulder and a holstered handgun on his hip, “At this moment, the state of Missouri has, among the 50 states, the strongest constitutional amendment (the recently enacted Amendment 5) regarding the right to keep and bear arms.”

Missouri changed its firearms laws to allow citizens with concealed carry permits to also openly carry rifles and handguns.

Sierra Lewis had a handgun at her side, and her young daughter brought a toy Nerf gun to Saturday’s walk. Lewis wanted to show support for the open carry provision, “I think it’s going to help around the streets. Make sure they are safe. I think people are going to be apt to do so much more if they know people are here protecting others.”

More:
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/26/open-carry-gun-walk-attracts-attention-downtown/

[center]~ ~ ~ [/center]
Open carry supporters walk through downtown St. Louis
Jennifer Meckles, KSDK 2:08 a.m. CDT October 26, 2014

ST. LOUIS - Downtown St. Louis once again served as the backdrop to a group of people meeting for a cause.

Saturday, dozens walked toward the Gateway Arch with their firearms in tow.

Ohio man, Jeffry Smith, organized the Open Carry/Firearms Educational Walk. He planned the event to recognize recent changes to Missouri's constitution and gun laws.

"It is to exercise those rights, it is to put them to the test, and it is to educate the public that sees this going on and asks questions of us," Smith said.

More:
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/10/25/open-carry-supporters-walk-through-downtown-st-louis/17926379/

[center]







~ ~ ~ [/center]
Gun Rights Supporters Head to Gateway Arch, Citygarden to Test Missouri's New Gun Laws
By Danny Wicentowski Mon., Oct. 20 2014 at 10:25 AM



Courtesy of Jeffry Smith
Who wants to get strapped for a stroll?
The current landscape of Missouri gun law is confusing.

Last month, state legislators overrode Governor Jay Nixon's veto on a bill that instantly erased all regional bans on open carrying firearms. Then, add the passing of Amendment 5, which enshrined all Missouri gun laws as "unalienable," and it would appear that gun rights in the Show Me state have never been stronger.

But nobody in Missouri -- including law enforcement and St. Louis city officials -- seems to understand the true scope of these new gun laws, says Jeffry Smith, a firearms activist and instructor from Ohio. Smith is leading an "Open Carry/Firearms Educational Walk" this weekend in downtown St. Louis, saying he wants Missourians to know their constitution provides a fundamental right to open carry firearms, even without a concealed carry permit. He and potentially dozens of local and out-of-state activists want to prove their point by taking a "friendly" jaunt with their guns through Citygarden and the Gateway Arch on October 25.

More:
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/10/open_carry_walk_through_gateway_arch_and_citygarden.php

[Hoyt]

55. Klan members and/or sympathizers.

[Judi Lynn]

65. It all goes together, no doubt whatsoever. The Klan is very present in Missouri. n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

88. -2 for knee-jerk bigotry. Which Klan organization does the 2nd guy on the left belong to?

?resize=620%2C413



The definition for factual accuracy seems to be quite elastic amongst gun control
advocates, as see:

http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x285630

MichaelHarris Tue Jan-26-10 03:50 AM
Original message

White Extremist

&quot CNN) -- A man was arrested Monday after police found an arsenal of high-powered weapons and a map of a U.S. military base in his New Jersey hotel, authorities said. Lloyd R. Woodson, 43, was arrested and faces multiple weapons charges"

"During the struggle, officers noticed that Woodson was wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying an assault rifle in his coat.

Officers searched Woodson's hotel room and found another assault rifle, a grenade launcher, a police scanner, another bulletproof vest, a map of a U.S. military base, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and a Middle Eastern-style headdress"

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/26/new.jersey.weapons.arrest/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

Some photos of said 'White Extremist'

[Hoyt]

97. The "second guy from the left" (1 out of over 70 people) is a COUNTER-PROTESTOR. Your gun love is

showing, as is the poster'S below who is so enamored with the dang things he/she has a reference to gunz as their user name.


I suppose this protester is not a racist:

[friendly_iconoclast]

111. How do you know that guy was a counter-protestor? Telepsychology?

I'd also point out that the idjit with the Confederate handgrips is also
"1 of out of over 70 people", which would make that crowd somewhat less racist
than the average crowd in your area...

[Hoyt]

116. First, I see no gun. Second, article says there were counter-protestors. Third and most importantly

That guy is unlikely to be supporting the racist crowd you are supporting, including this lady showing here true colors --

[friendly_iconoclast]

118. Again, showing what *you* got wrong isn't a vote for them

You know, you really ought to try not conforming to Ronald Reagan's
defintion of a liberal: "someone who will defend to the death your right to agree with them"

[Hoyt]

120. You haven't shown anything wrong in my post and labeling of those gun toters "racists."

They were sending a message to residents of Ferguson. Do you support that message?

[friendly_iconoclast]

121. And you haven't shown you're correct. Shouting, handwaving, and claims without evidence...

...don't count

[Hoyt]

126. St. Louis marchers with confederate flags are quite plainly racists except to gun cultists.

[GGJohn]

128. I can't tell whether or not he has a gun on his right hip, nor his left hip for that matter,

so how can you say with any certainty that he's part of the counter demonstration?

[Hoyt]

130. I think he's a counter-protestor. Maybe you can find him in some of the other photos of all white

folks sporting their lethal weapons "to tell those Ferguson folks a thing or two, by god."

He appears to be asking the ignorant gun toter what the hell he thinks he's accomplishing.

By the way, what do you think of the confederate flag pistol grips?

[GGJohn]

131. So now you think?

A few posts ago you were claiming he was a counter protester, what made you back off?

About the same as I would think of American Flag grips, tacky.

When are you going to learn how to spell guns?

[Hoyt]

132. Read the first line of my post where I clearly said he's a counter-protester

asking the ignorant gun toter "what he thinks he's accomplishing."

I hope you are not around your gunz today.

[GGJohn]

133. You're claiming he's a counter protester, even though you don't know for sure.

You claim you know this because he's not wearing a gun, yet, looking at the photo, you can't see his right hip, plus, you don't know what those 2 are talking about, they could be talking about the weather for all we know.

Can you prove otherwise?

BTW, I'm always around my guns, not gunz, but guns, learn how to spell.

[Hoyt]

134. And you and your buddy are claiming he's supporting the racist gun lovers sending

Ferguson a message. I think you are wrong.

[GGJohn]

136. I'm not the one claiming anything, but if you think I am,

I'm sure you can provide a link? Right?

[Hoyt]

135. Oh, I know, you've bragged about the number of gunz you have.

[GGJohn]

137. I have? That's news to me.

Can you provide a link?

[Hoyt]

144. Yep. Turns out I was right. See video link in post #37. I know you won't apologize, but at least

try to be more perceptive when carrying or playing with your gunz.

[GGJohn]

158. The guy doesn't say a word, so how would you know he's a counter protester?

Take a spelling course to learn how to spell correctly.

[Hoyt]

143. Hey, look at video in post #37. You will see your "2nd guy" WAS WITH COUNTER-PROTESTERS.

I sure hope you and your gun buddies are more perceptive when carrying lethal weapons in public.

[friendly_iconoclast]

152. The dude doesn't say anything on camera, so how would you know?

More "Hoytian telepsychology" in action...

I also noted the videographer saying (at 5:01) "Real Jewish people don't even believe in
Israel. All of the Zionists are fakes. They are fake Jews. Every single one of them are"

[friendly_iconoclast]

165. Seems he didn't care to stick around and discuss the anti-Semitic videographer...

[friendly_iconoclast]

89. What do you two have to say about this armed protest three weeks ago?

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/huey_p_newton_gun_club_dixon_circle_james_harper.php

Rifle-Toting Huey P. Newton Gun Club Delivers Report on Police Shootings to Feds

By Sky Chadde Tue., Oct. 7 2014 at 7:38 AM
53 Comments
Categories: Guns, News


In hopes of raising awareness of police brutality, two groups walked single-file together through downtown Dallas Monday afternoon with rifles slung over their shoulders. The Huey P. Newton Gun Club, which marched down Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. in August, and the Indigenous People's Liberation Party stopped in front of the Earle Cabell Federal Building and Courthouse. As about 10 members stood in a line on the sidewalk across the building's entrance, three members went inside and attempted to hand a report directly to U.S. Attorney Sarah Saldana.

They got as far as her division manager with the report, compiled from data obtained through open-records requests, which shows that the majority of victims of Dallas police shootings are from the minority community. It's the same report Dallas Communities Organizing for Change released to the media last week. To the marchers, the numbers in the report are evidence of a systemic problem of police abuse toward minorities.

Charles Goodson, one of the three who handed over the report and a Gun Club leader, believes the numbers in the report have been largely ignored by the city and police Chief David Brown.

"I think it's a great contradiction that they would allow us to get these records and then at the same time when we present them with the facts and the records that they've given to us they don't really pay close attention to that at all," Goodson said. "One of the main things we want to do here today is put that information forward to the community and get it legitimized."

I expect either:



or some rather tortured logical gymnastics...

[Eleanors38]

90. The narrative must be maintained. You will be assimilated.

[Hoyt]

99. I agree with their message a heck of a lot more than the right wingers walking in intimidation.

[friendly_iconoclast]

107. Glad to know it's not the open carriage of firearms that you object to...

[Hoyt]

110. I guess gunners sporting confederate flag grips are fine with you.

[friendly_iconoclast]

113. I see you're living down to your usual standards of accuracy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=133691

otohara (22,970 posts)
4. Fear Not, The Other Grassroots Orgs. NRA Members

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:26 PM - Edit history (2)
are on top of this and will crush these women.

They are already on it - 4 of these fancy PR moms met yesterday at a local Black-Eyed Pea in TX and a dozen or so members of Texas Open Carry were there with assault rifles to intimidate the moms and frighten locals.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=133717

Response to otohara (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:36 PM

Star Member friendly_iconoclast (10,674 posts)
17. Assholes meet astroturf...

Unlike you, I'm doing things that actually thwart the plans of the revenant traitors-
things like working for equal rights for all and the rights of workers, along with
actually moving away of a former Confederate state (instead of staying resident in one
and whining about how awful it is online...)

[Hoyt]

115. Yet you support racists parading around with gunz. Don't think you are only one supporting causes.

Further, we aren't talking about the gun intimidaters that went against women a year ago.

We are talking about racists in St. Louis this weekend that have your support.

[friendly_iconoclast]

117. Pointing out where *you* got it wrong isn't supporting *them*

Manichaeian thinking is once again messing with your head...

[Hoyt]

119. We are talking about the racist gun toters in St. Louis sending a message to Ferguson, not

Not, the yahoos that showed up with their gunz to intimidate 4 Women Against Guns. I guess you are supporting those yahoos too. Fact is -- no matter what the camera angle is -- these yahoos showed up outside the restaurant where the 4 women were meeting to discuss gunz in our society. I guess you would have been with the protesters had you been in the area.

[friendly_iconoclast]

123. "I guess you would have been with the protesters" Wrong, as usual:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=133691

otohara (22,970 posts)
4. Fear Not, The Other Grassroots Orgs. NRA Members

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:26 PM - Edit history (2)
are on top of this and will crush these women.

They are already on it - 4 of these fancy PR moms met yesterday at a local Black-Eyed Pea in TX and a dozen or so members of Texas Open Carry were there with assault rifles to intimidate the moms and frighten locals.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=133717

Response to otohara (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 12, 2013, 01:36 PM

Star Member friendly_iconoclast (10,674 posts)
17. Assholes meet astroturf...

Try reading and comprehending, not reacting to what others write, or you'll never free yourself from your self-inflicted chain of failure

[Hoyt]

125. You try. They showed up with gunz and piled out of their cars to intimidate the ladies.

One camera angle might have been a little misleading, but these gun yahoos did show up to intimidate the ladies. Further, DU Gungeoneers supported them then, and you are carrying on the tradition.

Now, let's get back to the racists in St. Louis, almost a year later trying to send a message to poor people in Ferguson.

[friendly_iconoclast]

150. "DU Gungeoneers supported them then, and you are carrying on the tradition."

By calling them assholes?

I'd be happy to 'support' you in a like manner, if that's what you want...

[friendly_iconoclast]

114. One of our resident telepsychologists tells us he's a counterprotestor

Which seems odd, as he's walking right along with them.

Seems our self-proclaimed expert on racism is now resorting to spectral evidence...

[Hoyt]

98. They have a reason to carry, the Klan-types in St. Louis are marching in intimidation against any

Ferguson protests.

I, and many others, have long maintained that the arming up of America is largely racially based. The St. Louis protests -- and their supporters -- make it pretty clear.

Another view of the St Louis protesters you are supporting:

[snooper2]

93. did you end up selling the rest of your guns yet?

[Cha]

95. Well looky here.. at all the Big Shots. Pathetic. Watch out guys "President Obama is going to take

your gunz away!".. so sayeth the nra FearMongers.

[Sheldon Cooper]

101. How utterly ridiculous they look.

Big puffed-up people with their strap on units getting their jollies parading down a street. That's so attractive.

[Paladin]

104. Typical open-carry crowd.

And contrary to the protestor's sign, open carry IS a white privilege, and a very big privilege, at that.

[friendly_iconoclast]

122. "open carry IS a white privilege" Are all your posts this (in)accurate?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025422679

Black Texas Gun Club Stages Open Carry Protest against Killer Cops

Raw Story

A Texas gun club named after one of the founders of the Black Panthers Party marched in Dallas on Wednesday to protest against police brutality, KTXA-TV reported.

Around two dozen members of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club carried rifles and red, black and green flags as they marched through the city’s south side, sometimes chanting in support of Michael Brown, the 18-year-old man killed by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, on Aug. 9.

“If they don’t get these killer cops and corrupt cops under control,” a member identifying himself as Commander Drew X was quoted as saying. “What happened in Ferguson is going to be nationwide.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/20/texas-gun-club-named-after-black-panthers-leader-holds-armed-march-against-killer-cops/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/21/1323444/-Black-Texas-Gun-Club-Stages-Open-Carry-Protest-against-Killer-Cops

They did it again a few weeks ago, and this time they brought some Native American friends:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172154917

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10
/huey_p_newton_gun_club_dixon_circle_james_harper.php

Rifle-Toting Huey P. Newton Gun Club Delivers Report on Police Shootings to Feds
By Sky Chadde Tue., Oct. 7 2014 at 7:38 AM



The Huey P. Newton Gun Club and the Indigenous People's Liberation Party stand across the street from the Earle Cabell Federal Building and Courthouse.

In hopes of raising awareness of police brutality, two groups walked single-file together through downtown Dallas Monday afternoon with rifles slung over their shoulders. The Huey P. Newton Gun Club, which marched down Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. in August, and the Indigenous People's Liberation Party stopped in front of the Earle Cabell Federal Building and Courthouse. As about 10 members stood in a line on the sidewalk across the building's entrance, three members went inside and attempted to hand a report directly to U.S. Attorney Sarah Saldana.

They got as far as her division manager with the report, compiled from data obtained through open-records requests, which shows that the majority of victims of Dallas police shootings are from the minority community. It's the same report Dallas Communities Organizing for Change released to the media last week. To the marchers, the numbers in the report are evidence of a systemic problem of police abuse toward minorities.

Charles Goodson, one of the three who handed over the report and a Gun Club leader, believes the numbers in the report have been largely ignored by the city and police Chief David Brown.

"I think it's a great contradiction that they would allow us to get these records and then at the same time when we present them with the facts and the records that they've given to us they don't really pay close attention to that at all," Goodson said. "One of the main things we want to do here today is put that information forward to the community and get it legitimized."



Members of the Gun Club prepare for their downtown march.

[Paladin]

141. Thanks for providing the exception that proves my point.

[friendly_iconoclast]

149. People of color carrying proves that "carrying IS white privilege"?

With logic like that, it's no wonder the NRA and SAF are using your sort for tackling dummies...

[friendly_iconoclast]

159. You've made the "Just looking for input." thread with *that* one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858

[marions ghost]

45. Bad for business

bad for the neighborhood, bad role model for kids, bad for tourism.

Nothing but bad. (& I dont mean good)

But they rule. And that's what counts to white vigilantes...

[geretogo]

48. America really is an " armed mad house " .

[heaven05]

50. always has been

and the bundy crowd has made it worse. And IT WILL keep getting worse. No doubt in my mind in the least.

[jwirr]

54. 10 police men watch but do not follow. Do I have to ask why not?

[montana_hazeleyes]

66. One protester

got arrested for open carrying a pumpkin.

[paleotn]

81. hehehe! (nt)

[marym625]

86. Perfect!

[Historic NY]

87. I wondering if black men walked the streets what the reaction would be???

[Eleanors38]

94. Post #88 could be the answer.

[Hoyt]

100. Is this St. Louis protester a racist in your view?

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/10/25/small-group-open-carry-fanatics-march-st-louis-guns-display.html

[Eleanors38]

140. ??

[Hoyt]

142. Oh. you must be one of those gunners who thinks the confederate flag is a benign symbol.

I put it right up there with a swastika.

[Eleanors38]

145. Is this a DU-approved insult? Jeez, Hoyt...

Frankly, all I see is a woman with a stroller and a handgun strapped to a pleasantly ample hip.

[Hoyt]

148. And confederate flag grips on her semi-auto.

[Eleanors38]

155. I'm still seeing her roiling butt. nt

[Cha]

96. Wayne La Pierre musta had a freaking orgasm.

[Eleanors38]

153. I'm no expert on Lapierre's bodily emit, but from gun-banner musings...

he's either filling his britches when blacks are marching with guns, or losing his load when whites are doing the same. You are a brave soul to stand so close to a human version of Hero's aeolipile.

[workinclasszero]

106. Armed intimidation

Just like Hitlers brown shirts.

I hunted as a kid and own firearms now. I would never associate myself with racists creeps marching around armed trying to scare unarmed men, women and children.

Most of those fat fucks would drop dead if they had to run 10 feet. Size of gun = penis length to those mouth breathers.

[KingCharlemagne]

109. You beat me to it. Interestingly, the police in Weimar Germany also largely

stood by as Hitler's Brownshirts battled in the streets with Communists and Socialists and caused general mayhem. I'm not sure this St. Louis group rises quite to the level of 'brownshirt' but it is interesting and disturbing nonetheless.

[workinclasszero]

124. Well in the same spirit as the brown shirts anyway

Yeah I guess I doubt these comfortable Americans would really do anything to upset their their couch potato way of life...yet.

But nazi creeps like this keep hoping and agitating for it:

Larry Klayman: 'Revolution Is Upon Us!'

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/larry-klayman-revolution-upon-us

And they are more than willing to vote for rethug slugs that advocate right wing fantasy/horror.

[KingCharlemagne]

129. Man, that is one scary 'yet' in your post above. I'm with you. The Republicans have

opened Pandora's Box, starting in about 1981, and these are the types of monsters that lived within, now out of the box and, as in the old myth, incapable of being completely captured and brought back.

[KingCharlemagne]

108. I am kicking this thread so it gets more exposure. I understand that those carrying the weapons

have a 'right' to do so, but it feels like they are doing so in order to threaten and intimidate protesters of Mike Brown's police execution in Ferguson.

[CrispyQ]

127. Police officers "didn’t interfere or follow the group on their walk."

Let me guess, no one was carrying an OCCUPY poster.

[Darb]

139. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to parade around with guns

is unstable and should have their guns taken away.

It never used to be this way. When did people get so farkin stupid.

[pablo_marmol]

151. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to strip down to speedos, wear body paint

and dance on a float during a gay pride parade is unstable and should have their speedos taken away.

It never used to be this way. When did people get so farkin stupid?

[Darb]

154. Speedos vs. guns? Got it........not

don't be obtuse.

[Eleanors38]

156. I like the H.P. Newton's more uniform style.

[pablo_marmol]

157. Exactly. Demonstration is acceptable w/regard to all rights

except the one(s) you don't like.

Typical authoritarian holier-than-thou controlling attitude.

Edited to add: Obtuse? Obtuse is your failure to recognize that your contempt for gun owners is backfiring badly.

[Darb]

161. Bunk.

There is no right of which you speak. The 2nd doesn't say what you think it does. Back to English class for you, grade 8.

Those asshats are threatening people, period.

[pablo_marmol]

162. You can shriek and squeal all you want. Display =/= threaten.

These "asshats" are "the gun lobby". A lobby that you have radicalized with lies and smears -- which you've demonstrated is all you have in your ammo bag.

Must be a drag to be an intelligent bloke like you, eh? Getting repeatedly defeated by 'asshats'.

[Darb]

163. Those cowards are saying one thing and one thing only

"If I don't get my way I will shoot you, you got it?" That is the jist of what is going on here and you can claim anything you want. The gun-humping crowd is out demonstrating for what? Moar Gunz!!! What is it they are protesting really? They and their nitwit political allies have turned this country into an idiot shooting range with no solution in sight and they are out there parading for what? I'll tell you what they are doing, they are threatening people who want sensible gun laws to keep assholes like them from owning guns. Yeah I said it, assholes like that should have their guns taken away, simply because they are are unstable, mentally.

It never used to be this way. I have hunted and owned guns my whole life, and not until the Repugnant Party and their crazy allies at the Nitwits, Racist, and Assholes have turned all Taliban, has there been asswipes parading around carry assault rifles. Hunters and shooters used to have more sense and more dignity.

Screw those punk-assed crybabies. Hopefully they won't start doing in public with those guns what they do with them at home, shoving them in and out of their asses. Thank goodness we have been spared that atrocity for the time being.

[friendly_iconoclast]

164. They're far calmer than *you* are, which is part of the reason they win

I'll tell you what they are doing, they are threatening people who want sensible gun laws

They really threatened those counterdemonstrators, didn't they?

Oh wait, that didn't happen...

[Darb]

169. Win? They don't win jack shit, save for

handjobs of the year award.

They are farkin nitwits and should have their guns taken away. As should you.

[friendly_iconoclast]

172. Lashing out, eh? Moral panic-mongering not working the way you want it to?

S'okay- I expect you'll be offered your choice of toppings soon enough...

[pablo_marmol]

166. "Those cowards are saying one thing and one thing only."

Only in your hysterical imagination.

If gun rights demonstrators actually are as bloodthirsty as you claim they are, I'm sure that you can easily dig up some examples of them misbehaving with their evil gunz during one of said demonstrations.

Tick, tock....tick, tock....tick, tock.........

[Darb]

170. All the mass murderers are law abiding, gun-humping nitwits,

right up until they start shooting children.

If you think this is a good idea, you should not own weapons. Quite simple really, it is fucking stupid.

[friendly_iconoclast]

171. You didn't answer the question. Sucks when you can't gin up a moral panic...

...doesn't it?

[nilesobek]

160. I made it 51 years

without having to carry a gun and I've lived in the most "dangerous." cities in America due to being homeless for 9 years. If you have to carry a gun to work you might want to look into new lines of employment. If you have to carry a gun in your neighborhood then your neighborhood problems are deeper than any gun can solve. In this area of Idaho people open carry everyday, a common sight. Many of them are white Republicans, others are Native Americans as we border a huge reservation.

A word to the good people combating racism. It doesn't help to fight racism by using racist remarks. Why should I listen to that? They are being just as racist as the racists they are confronting.

[MatthewStLouis]

173. What are these people so afraid of? No ones coming for their damned guns!

So tired of all the NRA BS.

[Odin2005]

174. American brownshirts.

[NobodyHere]

175. If only...

the people advocating for a raise in minimum wage could be as organized as the pro gun groups.


A man can dream though.