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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:20 PM Oct 2014

AP IMPACT: US Health Care Unprepared for Ebola

Source: Associated Press

The U.S. health care apparatus is so unprepared and short on resources to deal with the deadly Ebola virus that even small clusters of cases could overwhelm parts of the system, according to an Associated Press review of readiness at hospitals and other components of the emergency medical network.

Experts broadly agree that a widespread nationwide outbreak is extremely unlikely, but they also concur that it is impossible to predict with certainty, since previous Ebola epidemics have been confined to remote areas of Africa. And Ebola is not the only possible danger that causes concern; experts say other deadly infectious diseases — ranging from airborne viruses such as SARS, to an unforeseen new strain of the flu, to more exotic plagues like Lassa fever — could crash the health care system.

To assess America's ability to deal with a major outbreak, the AP examined multiple indicators of readiness: training, staffing, funding, emergency room shortcomings, supplies and protection for health care workers. AP reporters also interviewed dozens of top experts in those fields.

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Other findings:

— The emergency care system is already overextended, without the extra stress of a new infectious disease. In its 2014 national report card, the American College of Emergency Physicians gives the country a D-plus grade in emergency care, asserting the system is in "near-crisis."

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/ap-impact-us-health-care-unprepared-ebola-26547127

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AP IMPACT: US Health Care Unprepared for Ebola (Original Post) bananas Oct 2014 OP
Stay calm! Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #1
It may be extremely unlikely -- but as long as people are able to leave Ebola-affected countries rocktivity Oct 2014 #2
They will find a way around that and then you won't know where they are upaloopa Oct 2014 #5
I know it's not totally foolproof, but then again, neither is a complete travel ban rocktivity Oct 2014 #8
big time helping of fear served up there by AP NRaleighLiberal Oct 2014 #3
It's not like Ebola is our number one health issue upaloopa Oct 2014 #4
This is very true. We aren't really prepared for much of anything odd. hedgehog Oct 2014 #6
To be fair you could insert the name of any virus there and we are not prepared LynneSin Oct 2014 #7
AP has no intention of being fair, they " forgot" to mention the GOP hatred of a public health Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #16
Remind me again - how many Americans died from the flu last year? Blue Idaho Oct 2014 #9
American College of Emergency Physicians gives D+, says system is in "near-crisis" bananas Oct 2014 #10
So the question is... Blue Idaho Oct 2014 #13
The public health systems in almost all states are steadily deteriorating due to budget cuts pnwmom Oct 2014 #12
State governments have been hacking away at their public health budgets for years. pnwmom Oct 2014 #11
The one ebola patient seems to be stressing the Bellevue ICU. amandabeech Oct 2014 #14
AP, the source of so much fear mongering lately, now they do their own "research" to justify it. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #15
Well according to some...... whistler162 Oct 2014 #17
That was Poppy Bush's theme song in the 1988 election campaign bananas Oct 2014 #18

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
2. It may be extremely unlikely -- but as long as people are able to leave Ebola-affected countries
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:28 PM
Oct 2014

during what should be their incubation periods, it's extremely possible. Just have them reserve a ticket, then wait 21 days during which they can do work that does not involve patient or medical facility contact, then pass a blood test before being allowed to travel.


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
8. I know it's not totally foolproof, but then again, neither is a complete travel ban
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:44 PM
Oct 2014

However, it would make the difference between stopping a few people -- and stopping a few dozen -- from "exporting" Ebola elsewhere. It would be better than what we're doing now, and much better than not trying at all.


rocktivity

NRaleighLiberal

(60,019 posts)
3. big time helping of fear served up there by AP
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:30 PM
Oct 2014

ranging from
airborne viruses such as SARS, to an
unforeseen new strain of the flu, to more
exotic plagues like Lassa fever

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. It's not like Ebola is our number one health issue
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:33 PM
Oct 2014

It may be our number one freak out issue but we don't plan our system on the latest freak out.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
6. This is very true. We aren't really prepared for much of anything odd.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:37 PM
Oct 2014

What hospital is going to stockpile something as simple as saline solution? What hospital can afford to stock something as simple as saline solution? Unless we are willing to pay the Federal government to stock regional supply centers, we aren't prepared for something as likely as an influenza pandemic.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
7. To be fair you could insert the name of any virus there and we are not prepared
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:42 PM
Oct 2014

It isn't the virus but the state of our healthcare in this country where we put profit before patients.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. AP has no intention of being fair, they " forgot" to mention the GOP hatred of a public health
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 05:17 PM
Oct 2014

system, isn't that special?

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
9. Remind me again - how many Americans died from the flu last year?
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 03:53 PM
Oct 2014

No doubt Ebola is a horrible disease but let's try to keep our feet on the ground and worry about first things first. Let's listen to the scientists and doctors and try to steal clear of the professional pot stirrers and those seeking political advantage from a health crisis. There is little doubt in my mind this little drama would play out very differently were it not an election year.

If we fail to keep our heads we find ourselves overreacting and perhaps trading more of our freedoms to some new branch of "Homeland Security" in some unthinking Orwellian deal.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
10. American College of Emergency Physicians gives D+, says system is in "near-crisis"
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 04:03 PM
Oct 2014

Listen to the doctors, you say?

In its 2014 national report card, the American College of Emergency Physicians gives the country a D-plus grade in emergency care, asserting the system is in "near-crisis."


Obama took a big step with health care, but it's widely recognized that a lot more needs to be done.

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
13. So the question is...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 04:17 PM
Oct 2014

Will we listen to the doctors and scientists and act like grown-ups and fix an ailing system or will we freak out every time someone says Ebola!!!!!!

I am not the least little bit surprised by our lack of preparedness or the scorecard you mention. Shit - just look at our roads, our bridges, our rail systems, virtually any infrastructure you care to mention. The place is falling down around our ears and the tight assed republicans are to blame. It has been their stated goal to make government small enough to drown in a bath tub. What we now see is a direct result of those conscious destructive acts over decades.

I don't disagree with the facts - I just think we need to stay focused on solving problems and not letting ourselves be blinded by fear driven by those who think they can capitalize on that fear. Is Paul LePage's biggest concern public health or does he see whipping up a little Ebola fear as a way to gain at the polls? I would not put it past him.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
12. The public health systems in almost all states are steadily deteriorating due to budget cuts
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 04:12 PM
Oct 2014

which will hurt people whether the outbreak is flu, Ebola, TB, or anything else.

If Ebola shines a bright light on the failing status of our public health infrastructure -- good.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
11. State governments have been hacking away at their public health budgets for years.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 04:10 PM
Oct 2014

New York's is one of the very highest in the country, and several times higher than average. People will no doubt be surprised when more hospitals perform like Dallas Presby than like NY's Bellevue -- but it's predicable based on state infrastructure.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
14. The one ebola patient seems to be stressing the Bellevue ICU.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 04:27 PM
Oct 2014

Bellevue transferred two or so ICU patients to a sister hospital down the street because the intense needs of the ebola patient meant that there wasn't enough resources for all the other ICU beds available in the hospital.

That brings up the question of how many ebola patients the US may be able to handle at one time. The top units can take 8-11 altogether, and the next tier like Bellevue may be able to take 1 or 2 patients each and there are maybe 30-40 of them. That's really not that many, and in the Bellevue-level hospitals, there may be a decrease in the number of other ICU beds.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. AP, the source of so much fear mongering lately, now they do their own "research" to justify it.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 05:14 PM
Oct 2014

Predictable for the corporate media.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
18. That was Poppy Bush's theme song in the 1988 election campaign
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 06:54 AM
Oct 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Worry,_Be_Happy

The song was used in George H. W. Bush's 1988 U.S. presidential election as Bush's 1988 official presidential campaign song, without Bobby McFerrin's permission or endorsement. In reaction, Bobby McFerrin (a Democrat) publicly protested that particular use of his song, including stating that he was going to vote against Bush, and completely dropped the song from his own performance repertoire, to make the point even clearer. The George H. W. Bush campaign then reportedly desisted from further use of the song.[10]

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