Ron Paul: 'Republican control of the Senate = expanded neocon wars'

[Old Nick]

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Despite all the Jim Beam and beer, I still can't sleep.

[oh08dem]

1. To Ron Paul: No shit dingus, and make sure you remind your son he can filibuster his own party.

[cstanleytech]

2. Anyone told the moron that the senate cant order the military only the president can?

[JDPriestly]

4. Not quite true. The Congress can declare war.

The president is merely the commander in chief of the military.

The Congress can declare war and the president then commands the army.

Please read the Constitution.

Article I, section 8 enumerates the powers of Congress.

Article II sets forth the authority of the president.

Please read it.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Uh, no. The Congress cannot dictate troop movements and send troops on missions.

Congress cannot simply declare a war and expect the CiC to order troops into combat on their say-so, it doesn't work that way. You have it backwards.

[JDPriestly]

10. Congress delcares the war. The executive orders troops into combat.

If Congress declares a war, do you think a president will refuse to send troops into combat?

What are you saying. Have you read the Constitution?

It's pretty clear that Congress is supposed to declare the wars.

I realize that our government does not always work as the Constitution requires. We have fought a lot of secret wars that the Congress did not declare.

But I am talking about the constitutional provisions.

The CIA wars are numerous -- all over the place -- secret wars that were never declared.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Congress can declare war--but a huge part of the President's executive power

is the ability to command troops and send them into engagements. While the President can, and often does, take military action without a war being declared, I don't know that Congress has ever been able to FORCE a reluctant President to take military action via its power to declare war. Congress therefore has virtually no real power in STARTING wars, but much more power in ending them, because they can cut the funding.

[Enrique]

15. Congress is not going to declare war

in fact they don't even want to say anything about it, they're happy leaving all the power with Obama. I don't see how being in the majority changes that.

[jamzrockz]

17. I think we now going to have

more talking heads criticizing Obama for not involving the US in more wars. More neocons means more possible warmongers to invite on Meet the press and that means the message will be changed from that of more restraint to that or more attacks. We will have more Libya type engagement and god forbids, more boots on the ground in places like Syria.

The main point that he got right is more neocons means more likelihood of US getting into wars and I really don't know why any democrat is arguing with him on that.

[cstanleytech]

18. I have and yes its within their power to declare war its not within their power to give orders to

the military as that power is for the president alone.

[C Moon]

3. Find your boots Ron. Cuz you'll be first. You fucking bastard!

[Drunken Irishman]

6. IT'S HAPPENING!

[TwilightGardener]

7. Meh. Only if Obama goes stupid and listens to neocons--I would hope he and his team have

more sense than to dig in deeper and put lots of ground troops in Iraq/Syria.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

8. No shit, Sherlock

Nice of Racist Grandpa to wait til now to mention it.

[Amonester]

9. We all knew here he's THAT MUCH a stupid lunatic.

Don't lose sleep over it.

[freshwest]

12. WTF? Is this his backasswards way of saying Obama isn't a warmonger now?

I take nothing him or his spawn say as truth. Both are Birchers, and no friend of anything progressive. As EarlG said: 'Fuck Ron Paul.'

[jamzrockz]

14. Oh, he thinks Obama is a war monger

Just that the neocons are bigger war mongers than Obama.

[avebury]

13. Expanded Neocon war within the US as well. NT

[billhicks76]

16. Get Over Yourselves

We should be embarrassed when the likes of Ron Paul has to be the anti-war voice. Idiots here still don't get it. Rah Rah. Supporting centrists and war profiteers makes us look like hypocrites. No wonder everyone hates Ron Paul ...anyone who makes you look in the mirror is castigated. He's right. His party are bloodthirsty war mongering opportunists. The problem is Obama goes along for some strange reason.

[In_The_Wind]

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