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blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:08 AM Nov 2014

Harry Reid Concedes Senate Leadership, Promises To "Work Together"

Source: Twitter



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And you KNOW what that means ... more Nation and Party-killing "bi-partisanship"!!!

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Harry Reid Concedes Senate Leadership, Promises To "Work Together" (Original Post) blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 OP
No more "It takes 60 votes to get anything done in the Senate" Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2014 #1
Reid is out of his mind if he thinks busterbrown Nov 2014 #3
K&R proverbialwisdom Nov 2014 #6
He may also be mistaken... FBaggins Nov 2014 #26
In Wisconsin we witnessed just how much republicans cared to work with a democratic minority. Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #38
Reid needs to go. bigwillq Nov 2014 #42
he's always been a conservative PatrynXX Nov 2014 #61
God help this country newfie11 Nov 2014 #4
The first order of business for Republicans will be to get rid of the filibuster. Mark my words! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #15
I doubt it. Without it when the house switches back (and it will eventually do so) it would cstanleytech Nov 2014 #35
reThugs Don't Care! mazzarro Nov 2014 #48
not sure rtracey Nov 2014 #52
They won't have to if Dems truly intend to 'work together' with them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #53
No way. GOP loves the filibuster. Conservative ideology benefits from it as they harun Nov 2014 #90
But it's STILL Obama's fault and DUers will blame the president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #2
For what..Staying above the fray... busterbrown Nov 2014 #7
I actually think you're right, but his message was what? Yes WE can! And instead of rallying behind Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #9
I agree... but what you left out is the money. busterbrown Nov 2014 #14
How much time and energy spent on Grimes? JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #16
The Dems pulled out of the state when it looked like she would lose. They returned when they Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #17
Their House sticks with 54 Democratic Party members JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #18
"conservative Democrats abandoned Mr. Brown in droves in favor of Mr. Hogan's messages... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #89
That sounds about right. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #92
I've seen no blame thrown the president's way Scootaloo Nov 2014 #20
I agree with that, too. Obama is still pretty popular with Maryland Democrats, but there are Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #93
does he have ANY responsibility, EVER? Skittles Nov 2014 #72
A nation gone mad electing the GOP, the ISIS of America. sammy750 Nov 2014 #5
A nation gone mad indeed workinclasszero Nov 2014 #44
As opposed to what you were doing before Harry? the_sly_pig Nov 2014 #8
Screw You Reid rpannier Nov 2014 #10
Maybe it's me but I never saw McConnell be so polite and civil with Reid on anything anytime! mazzarro Nov 2014 #50
All that voters made clear is that there are LibDemAlways Nov 2014 #11
I think you're spot on. They voted fear and jealousy. That's about it. Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #39
The Paul Ryan budget awaits them so I hope mbee Nov 2014 #79
Paul Ryan Cuts malletgirl02 Nov 2014 #86
Nothing will change. Helen Borg Nov 2014 #12
I feel like the country is going to hell in a hand basket.... everything will be red now, judgeships secondwind Nov 2014 #13
+infinity newfie11 Nov 2014 #21
"...less $$ for private schools" KansDem Nov 2014 #29
It would have made me feel better had he stood up and said like Mitch did when Obama won kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #19
^^^This^^^ PADemD Nov 2014 #24
^^^This x 1000^^^ eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #54
Well, thank god, SOMEONE has to keep that powder dry Scootaloo Nov 2014 #22
Of course he does n/t deutsey Nov 2014 #23
He conceded leadership heaven05 Nov 2014 #25
FU Harry deminks Nov 2014 #27
A loser to the end 4dsc Nov 2014 #28
We the people are well and truly fucked nt LiberalElite Nov 2014 #30
They didn't make that clear Sen Reid. The corporations did AllyCat Nov 2014 #31
Call me crazy, but I think he's lying through his teeth. Jester Messiah Nov 2014 #32
You're being wildly optimistic FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #73
Beats the alternative. Jester Messiah Nov 2014 #76
We need another leader turbinetree Nov 2014 #33
I can't stand it.... blackspade Nov 2014 #34
The two parties are the same, so its all good. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #36
You think Reid putting a spit shine on Turtle's Johnson is going to change that perception? TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #85
Harry has his millions--now he can cruzzzzzzzzzzzz the remainder riversedge Nov 2014 #37
What part of the "They will grind our bones to make porridge for their dogs" message did he miss? Hugin Nov 2014 #40
Yeah, he really seems clueless, I'm at a loss why we didn't axe his inept leadership long ago. nt JudyM Nov 2014 #46
The Vichy Dems strike again Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #41
Ah so here is the knife in the back to the progressive left workinclasszero Nov 2014 #43
Well ain't that special. L0oniX Nov 2014 #45
Harry Reid: Everything that's wrong with Democrats, in one suit. (nt) Paladin Nov 2014 #47
Order of Business turbinetree Nov 2014 #49
FY, traitorous Harry Reid Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #51
Shut up, Harry. BlueStater Nov 2014 #55
The DNC will conclude that Dems need to move farther to the right. candelista Nov 2014 #56
Seems to Me fredamae Nov 2014 #57
"I am willing to give Sen. McConnell the same level support he has shown me and ccinamon Nov 2014 #58
Harry is a fucking coward. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #59
Oh great.. SoapBox Nov 2014 #60
I don't like it but polls show that liberal Democrats are much more supportive of compromise pampango Nov 2014 #62
That's why the DNC will move the party to the right. candelista Nov 2014 #64
I agree on both counts. But if I were a national Democratic politician I would be aware that pampango Nov 2014 #65
When your opponent moves farther right all the time, Compromise = Capitulation FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #74
Frustrating, but I believe that the relative acceptance by liberals of compromise is not because pampango Nov 2014 #78
Dear Senator Reid, Mc Connell will slaughter you. sammy750 Nov 2014 #63
He should learn from history 4dsc Nov 2014 #66
Didn't learn from Mitch, Harry? bucolic_frolic Nov 2014 #67
IDIOT!!! lark Nov 2014 #68
"MOST OF THEM FUCKING GIVE IN AT THE SLIGHTEST PROVOCATION" FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #75
You are so right! lark Nov 2014 #83
Fuck that shit... truebrit71 Nov 2014 #69
Because that is exactly what McTurtle did in 2008 Ruby the Liberal Nov 2014 #70
Oh Christ. Myrina Nov 2014 #71
doesn't he mean work 'for' the repugs? let's be honest samsingh Nov 2014 #77
This is why so many of Obama's voters from 2008 have given up. Doctor_J Nov 2014 #80
We need new leadership. Blue Idaho Nov 2014 #81
We can just get behind the few Democratic we have left and help them cooperate with the Todays_Illusion Nov 2014 #82
Democrats lose, they plan to work together. Republicans lose, they fight for their agenda yurbud Nov 2014 #84
If we just toll over, I'm done. davishenderson265 Nov 2014 #87
Which is why he should be replaced by Schumer Old Nick Nov 2014 #88
lose the old coot already! damn! n/t wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #91
 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
1. No more "It takes 60 votes to get anything done in the Senate"
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:11 AM
Nov 2014

Reid will serve as the Great Capitulator and let the GOP ram whatever they want through.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
3. Reid is out of his mind if he thinks
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:23 AM
Nov 2014

Republicans want to work with Dems..As a matter of fact I think its high time to get some new young blood into the leadership position..I guess however we need in a more urgent way.. New young blooded tougher dem. Senators...who do not run from progressive values..

FBaggins

(28,706 posts)
26. He may also be mistaken...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:57 AM
Nov 2014

... if he thinks that he'll still be in the leadership and able to decide such things anyway.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
38. In Wisconsin we witnessed just how much republicans cared to work with a democratic minority.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:57 AM
Nov 2014

They ran roughshod over all big democratic ideas . . . All of them.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
4. God help this country
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:24 AM
Nov 2014

Fracking, oil pipelines, etc are just a few things that will be on high speed.
Global warming???? Haha no repug believes that. Climate change, God help the earth.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
15. The first order of business for Republicans will be to get rid of the filibuster. Mark my words!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:06 AM
Nov 2014

cstanleytech

(28,473 posts)
35. I doubt it. Without it when the house switches back (and it will eventually do so) it would
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:08 AM
Nov 2014

hurt them far more than leaving it in place would.
What they will do is follow orders from the people who just paid for their way into office and for their votes which will probably be to just sit back and let things go as they are because lets face it right now things are going good for the rich and powerful even with obamacare in place so why rock the boat?

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
48. reThugs Don't Care!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:34 AM
Nov 2014

I doubt that reThugs care that Dems would take back the Senate and retaliate against them. They know that Dems do not have the temperament to strongly challenge/punish them even when they (reThugs) are wrong. Instead the Dems will want to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with them to paper over any hurt feelings.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
52. not sure
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:49 AM
Nov 2014

If they do that, noting will every get done, every piece of legislation aimed at hurting the american people will be vetoed and there will NOT be a 2/3 majority to counteract the veto...

harun

(11,381 posts)
90. No way. GOP loves the filibuster. Conservative ideology benefits from it as they
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:28 AM
Nov 2014

want to keep everything the same. Having the rich get more rich. They need to be able to hide behind the filibuster. Also there are plenty of rich Corpo Dem's in the Senate to get their agenda pushed through.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
7. For what..Staying above the fray...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:27 AM
Nov 2014

Not being Roosevelty enough? That just ain’t him and we knew that from the beginning.. We just should have dealt with that and gathered the wagons around him.. We didn’t and it showed our weakness..

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
9. I actually think you're right, but his message was what? Yes WE can! And instead of rallying behind
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:41 AM
Nov 2014

him and keeping the pressure on, we didn't. We sat on fucking message boards, madly typing on keyboards about how bad Obama sucks. That gets us nowhere. ReThugs never give up! People are commenting on how they are dominating now at the local levels. That used to be a Democratic Party stronghold. Why isn't it anymore? Why aren't we grooming progressive Democrats for elective office at the local level anymore? And now we complain that Democrats are putting up these weak-ass Democrats like Martha Coakley in Democratic Party strongholds like MA? Really, Democrats. After all the good that Deval Patrick did for that state, this is the thanks he gets? Same thing here in Maryland, where O'Malley turned the state's economy around and made Maryland #1 on a host of economic and social indicators? Really, Maryland?

Blame Obama all you want, but he had a record to run on. Either we stand on it, as imperfect as it might be, and work to elect Dems who will help us IMPROVE that record, or we'll continue to be ineffective and lose elections.

Oh, and Dems really think Hillary Clinton will be their savior? Really? The Clintons ain't faring too well delivering these racist "Reagan Democrats" to the party. In fact, they're failing miserably. So much for the Bill Clinton gravitas. It ain't working and hasn't worked.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
14. I agree... but what you left out is the money.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:02 AM
Nov 2014

Its a tough one to deal with.. They outspend us by millions..
I think what happened in our state Cali..says it all.. Prop. 45. The Insurance companies spent millions upon millions convincing the cali electorate to defeat a proposition which would have forced Insurance Companies to get approval for rate increases from the Insurance Commissioner... Are you fucking kidding me? California has in essence sided with Blue Cross, Kaiser and all the other for profit healthcare companies and given them license to raise premiums by any amount they want..w/o review from the elected Insurance Commissioner..

You wouldn’t expect this from the electorate of California.. But 50 million dollars of Television lies can just about make anyone believe anything..even in a smart state like California..LOL

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
16. How much time and energy spent on Grimes?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:10 AM
Nov 2014

We can talk about it in PM - but I find it odd how she ran from Obama - ran towards the Clintons who IIRC - won that state . . .

I don't know. I have to check the KY State House again - but when I went to bed they had held it. Enough Democratic Party members voted to keep the House? But not send a Senator to D.C.?

That's just odd.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
17. The Dems pulled out of the state when it looked like she would lose. They returned when they
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:14 AM
Nov 2014

thought she had a fighting chance, but then the "Obama voting" non-scandal happened and there you have it.

I have a more important question:

How was the Democratic governor able to convince folks to vote for him in a red state, embracing health care reform?

Maybe the Democrats should learn from him.

Hell, maybe HE should replace Hillary as the nominee.

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
18. Their House sticks with 54 Democratic Party members
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:19 AM
Nov 2014
http://www.kentucky.com/2014/11/04/3520134_palumbo-westrom-and-benvenuti.html?rh=1

Their Governor is awesome! But I believe he is retiring.

Re the 54 - now Rand has to make a choice. Run for President or defend his seat.

There is the evil little laugh for this morning.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
20. I've seen no blame thrown the president's way
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:50 AM
Nov 2014

Lots of blame towards those Democrats who distanced themselves from him and the ACA, though.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
93. I agree with that, too. Obama is still pretty popular with Maryland Democrats, but there are
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:53 PM
Nov 2014

a fair number of conservative Democrats here, too.

sammy750

(165 posts)
5. A nation gone mad electing the GOP, the ISIS of America.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:24 AM
Nov 2014

It is amazing the people have elected a party who admits they will destroy them and the nation.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
44. A nation gone mad indeed
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:35 AM
Nov 2014

It is amazing to watch Americans cut their own throats and doom their own children because fox news, rush limpballs and the Randian preacher at their local mega church told them its the right thing to do!

Sadly his shows the power that hate and propaganda have on people. Hitler knew it and so do the american isis/republicans.

the_sly_pig

(752 posts)
8. As opposed to what you were doing before Harry?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:29 AM
Nov 2014

I have zero confidence in Harry. He's like the kid that keeps asking the bully to stop eating his lunch.

rpannier

(24,924 posts)
10. Screw You Reid
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:45 AM
Nov 2014

Give them back what they gave

Face it! When the Dems buried them in 08, it meant nothing to them

He's such a dink

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
50. Maybe it's me but I never saw McConnell be so polite and civil with Reid on anything anytime!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:47 AM
Nov 2014

Please correct me if I am wrong here. But now we have Reid indicating that it is about to become a "sellout galore"! Obama with the Third-Way / DLC advisers surrounding him does not invoke much confidence in me that he would not become Bill Clinton, in similar situation, two times over by the time this is done.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
11. All that voters made clear is that there are
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:46 AM
Nov 2014

a huge number of idiots out there who are completely clueless. I doubt that the majority of those who voted for Republican scumbags want their Social Security cut, their health insurance taken away, more tax breaks for millionaires, more jobs outsourced, steep cuts in budgets for any program that could conceivably help anybody, more wars, and on and on. But that's what they voted for because the Repuke puppetmasters have convinced the sheep that Dems are Godless socialists who want to take away their guns and let gay people and immigrants take over. You'd think that by now Harry Reid would understand the Repuke mindset, and accept the reaiity that it's useless to reason with lunatics. But apparently not.

mbee

(1,140 posts)
79. The Paul Ryan budget awaits them so I hope
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:01 PM
Nov 2014

they enjoy every cut he would like to implement!

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
13. I feel like the country is going to hell in a hand basket.... everything will be red now, judgeships
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:00 AM
Nov 2014

SCOTUS appointments, more fracking , pipeline criss-crossing our nation, no high-speed rail, less $$ for private schools, etc.

We will probably see Jesus Christ on our dollar bills one day.

we are sooo fucked.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
29. "...less $$ for private schools"
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:16 AM
Nov 2014

Don't you mean public schools?

Privatizing public services is the raison d'etre of the Repubs.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
19. It would have made me feel better had he stood up and said like Mitch did when Obama won
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:33 AM
Nov 2014

"I am going to dedicate the rest of my Senate career to making sure that this Senate leader fails."

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
25. He conceded leadership
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 07:18 AM
Nov 2014

Last edited Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:24 AM - Edit history (1)

years ago. Getting "feisty" in the last year or so. I did my duty, that's all I can say. The nazis, brownshirts and fascist are on the march. Two more years of these clowns with both houses lost to Democrats. Man, dark, dark clouds on the horizon. I am too old to be afraid, yet you young people get ready for more Michael Brown's, Trayvon Martin's, votes to repeal ACA. Jackbooted thugs in the streets. Yesterday's vote, no surprise though. Americans will vote against their best interest time after time to proves the RW's petty interests. Murdock you win, for now. I'm done with this shit.

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
31. They didn't make that clear Sen Reid. The corporations did
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:47 AM
Nov 2014

Stand up for your principles!!! Stand up for us!

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
32. Call me crazy, but I think he's lying through his teeth.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:52 AM
Nov 2014

He's saying this because this is what one says at times like these. The mouth (tweet) says one thing, the eyes say "I'm going to make your life as miserable as I can."

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
33. We need another leader
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:01 AM
Nov 2014

Reid your fired, let Warren or Sanders run the Senate we are tired of your compromise and for congratulating an ass***e that has filibustered 413 bills and who "will not" let a Supreme Court nominee see the light of day, do you see a pattern Reid

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
85. You think Reid putting a spit shine on Turtle's Johnson is going to change that perception?
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:08 AM
Nov 2014

You know who pushed such a meme? Fucking Democrats for years with stupid efforts at "bipartisanship", "meeting in the middle", "I agree with Governor Bush", having "80% common ground", retaining their worst hacks after defeating them and allowing said fucks to dominate policy and continue their wicked agenda, candidate after candidate running races based on muddying the waters, going after that corporate bread, and leadership dominated by Koch Brother's Trojan Horse the DEC and it's various siblings and rebrands.

The Turd Way gambit failed, Reich wingers never bought it and became convincible but too many Democrats do because that is the most consistent message coming to them from their own party for a fucking generation.

It amazes me that the exact same folks who pushed most adamantly this idiotic message are the most frustrated that it worked (though granted not with the audience it was supposedly designed for).

The feckless idiots have convinced the nonpartisan voter that there is no rationale for ever voting for a Democrat and now you wanna cry about it? It was what you and yours have pushed for 25 years or more.

You got your way and now you want to point fingers at the obvious downside of a foolish strategy.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
40. What part of the "They will grind our bones to make porridge for their dogs" message did he miss?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:05 AM
Nov 2014

Harry? Please, step down and let someone with a spine take leadership.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
46. Yeah, he really seems clueless, I'm at a loss why we didn't axe his inept leadership long ago. nt
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:01 AM
Nov 2014
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
43. Ah so here is the knife in the back to the progressive left
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:28 AM
Nov 2014

Democrats promise to work together with with the republican party to destroy america!

So impeachment, destruction of ACA, war at any place, time, reason, more tax cuts for the rich all on the table with our tea bagger "friends" eh Harry?

How about armed fascist militias on the border shooting any man, women or child with brown skin they happen to see Harry? You good with that too? I'm sure our new Fox news "friends" would approve that 100%!

You know what they really want is social security Harry.....you going to offer that up to your wall street gods too Harry?

Fucking baggers have fought the president and democrats 24/7 365 days of the year. And now the democrats are going to surrender??

This BS is why we lost the elections! Damn wimpy cowards who don't really believe in what they are doing in the first place!

All so-called democrats/republican lite pols can go jump off the nearest tall building as far as I'm concerned! Just bend over and do your job for wall street and fox news you damned TRAITORS!



turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
49. Order of Business
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:46 AM
Nov 2014

Any democrat that goes on Fix Noise, Face the Nation with the right wing Bobby, Meet the right wing Toodles Press, This week with my right wing bobble head fascists friends on ABC George, should not be re-elected, this may sound extreme but every time the democrats go on these shows nothing is asked its all about the ginned up noise from Fix noise every fucking time, and its seems all of these supposed news shows are extensions of Fix noise.

Every one of these democrats lost because they ran away from the social issues, they never challenged these hypocrites in a debate to what these right wingers would do for entitlements, environment ( should have brought a jar with fracking solution or tap water with gas in it ) never, the mid west is screwed when it comes to the pipeline across the Ogallala aquifer, are you people from Kansas and Nebraska that stupid, no whining, none, if you get tar sand oil in the water, pay for the mess out of your own pocket, you created the future mess now deal with it, we tried to warn you and your ideology and to stay in the republican camp is totally beyond belief.
Then when they were asked by news paper reporters they should have deflected the questions and looked at these righty wing hypocrites and said what or how are you going to vote if they won and if and when your party has the power when comes to these issues come up for repeal and a vote, it does not take much, and when the moderator ask for a response and then another question go right back to the issue, are you going to repeal and vote against entitlements, the environment , Supreme Court nominee, ect......
And if they demur ask them again until they answer YES or NO --its simple and to the god damn point

South Dakota, I use to live in the state (Rapid City), fished and hunted, you now have a sitting senator under investigation for possible corruption of corporations buying visas---really, are you really that naive

It was really simple Congressman Steve Israel and Senator Harry Reid, but you failed in your goals, and now you want to compromise------really, we gave you the votes and you let the right wing media noise machine tilt these races, by saying it was going to be hard to over come the republican Gerrymandering, you let the right wing talking pundits and the news outlets win before it was even started-----that is outrageous, and now we are going to hear if we listen to these so called journalist on what happened only for there ratings and introducing there right wing politician to continue this crap

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
55. Shut up, Harry.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:00 PM
Nov 2014

At this point, I don't even know what the fuck voters want. They bitch and moan about how the country is going in the wrong direction yet they frequently elect people who are only going to make things worse. Fuck them and fuck Republicans.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
56. The DNC will conclude that Dems need to move farther to the right.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:05 PM
Nov 2014

That's what the Party leadership always thinks when the Dems lose seats in an election. Oddly, the Republicans never think they need to move to the left when they lose. Result: the entire political system continually moves farther to the right.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
57. Seems to Me
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:11 PM
Nov 2014

"Working Together" with the GOP and conceding on really Nasty crap, when "we" said NO is why the Corp Dems got in So much trouble with their base. I could be mistaken, but didn't the most Progressive Dems in the Senate Hold their seats?

Mull this over a minute
http://ringoffireradio.com/2014/11/democrats-lost-but-liberals-are-winning/

ccinamon

(1,696 posts)
58. "I am willing to give Sen. McConnell the same level support he has shown me and
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:48 PM
Nov 2014

President Obama."

THAT is the ONLY response he should give.

WTF.

Dear Elected Democrats,

How about STANDING for something??? Stop.Caving.In. It doesn't work. You haven't learned in 30 years...how many MORE years are you going to waste with this bullshit?

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
59. Harry is a fucking coward.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:06 PM
Nov 2014

Congratulating the enemies of the Republic for wining. Fuck you, Harry.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
62. I don't like it but polls show that liberal Democrats are much more supportive of compromise
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:25 PM
Nov 2014

than are conservative republicans. I don't like that either but that does not make it untrue. Perhaps we should be more like conservative republicans with respect to the acceptability of compromise, just from the opposite direction.



http://www.people-press.org/2013/01/17/section-2-views-of-congress-and-the-parties/



Compromise Continues to Garner Public Support

Eight-in-ten (80%) Americans now agree with the statement: “I like political leaders who are willing to make compromises in order to get the job done,” and support for compromise –framed in this way – is little changed over the last 15 years.

Today, an overwhelming majority of Democrats (90%) find compromise appealing in a political leader, as do 68% of Republicans. Over the past 15 years, more Democrats than Republicans have preferred political leaders who compromise.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/10/23/as-midterms-near-gop-leads-on-key-issues-democrats-have-a-more-positive-image/

Those figures leave almost a third of republicans as not valuing compromise. Much of their motivated base - teabaggers, libertarians, etc. - would be in that one third. Maybe this shows what a motived, unwilling-to-compromise 1/3 of a party can do to the direction of that party.

OTOH, only 10% of Democrats (not of DU'ers?) reject compromise "to get the job done" as appealing in a political leader. Does this mean that Democrats care more about what is good for the country rather than achieving their partisan goals?

It seems to me that a party with an uncompromising, hyper-partisan 1/3 will usually triumph over a party in which 90% are willing compromise for the good of the country. That is true even though the policies promoted by the uncompromising 1/3 of republicans are terrible for the country.
 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
64. That's why the DNC will move the party to the right.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:02 PM
Nov 2014

The RNC never moves to the left. So the whole structure moves ever rightward.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
65. I agree on both counts. But if I were a national Democratic politician I would be aware that
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:16 PM
Nov 2014

folks in my party (particularly liberals) respect compromise much more than the supporters of the republican politicians that I would be butting heads with. If I were in that position I would find the apparent liberal recognition that compromise is 'adult' aspect of running a government very frustrating when dealing with 'childish' republicans who want everything done their way or they will break everything they can reach.

I am much better suited to being a DU poster than a national politician.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
74. When your opponent moves farther right all the time, Compromise = Capitulation
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 04:52 PM
Nov 2014

There's nothing adult about giving the GOP everything it wants ... a little more slowly.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
78. Frustrating, but I believe that the relative acceptance by liberals of compromise is not because
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 06:22 PM
Nov 2014

they like to capitulate. Rather is it is due to the understanding that some degree of compromise is necessary to make a democratic government work.

The problem is how that understanding complicates dealing with a right wing that does not believe in compromise. I agree that we can't compromise with the right even if we understand in a more logical world that would be acceptable.

sammy750

(165 posts)
63. Dear Senator Reid, Mc Connell will slaughter you.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:59 PM
Nov 2014

McConnell has no reason to work with Reid in the Senate. The Democrats will be slaughtered under the GOP and McConnell. You think ISIS is bad. Wait for McConnell action in the next few weeks. The GOP and McConnell has been blocking all the important bills. Now the GOP will pass the most extreme and nation destroying bills.

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
66. He should learn from history
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:17 PM
Nov 2014

about how republicans obstructed the government and do the same fucking thing. 60 votes for every measure.

bucolic_frolic

(55,141 posts)
67. Didn't learn from Mitch, Harry?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:18 PM
Nov 2014

It's supposed to be 'we will do everything to make sure he is a two year
phenom, obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.'

Remember?

lark

(26,081 posts)
68. IDIOT!!!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

Voters did not show they wanted Dems and Repugs to work together. They showed that they were sheeple who let the 24/7 bombardment of lies get to them and voted against their own interests. Fight the good fight, don't give in, fight them every inch of the way in every way possible.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HATE ABOUT DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS, MOST OF THEM FUCKING GIVE IN AT THE SLIGHTEST PROVOCATION.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
75. "MOST OF THEM FUCKING GIVE IN AT THE SLIGHTEST PROVOCATION"
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 04:53 PM
Nov 2014

I think that's the whole plan.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
69. Fuck that shit...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 03:19 PM
Nov 2014

The voters made nothing of the sort clear...

But look who we're talking about....

samsingh

(18,426 posts)
77. doesn't he mean work 'for' the repugs? let's be honest
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 05:43 PM
Nov 2014

we are in the position the repugs were in the senate when they can't filibustering so nothing would get done.

why do we make it easy for the repugs? when all they are done is spend the last 6 years trying to ensure nothing gets done.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
80. This is why so many of Obama's voters from 2008 have given up.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 08:42 PM
Nov 2014

Sounds like Reid and the president have already given in - No filibusters, no vetoes. They "couldn't get anything done" with 60 Dem senators, but will let the Repukes run over them with 52.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
82. We can just get behind the few Democratic we have left and help them cooperate with the
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:55 PM
Nov 2014

same enthusiasm the Republicans cooperated with the Democratic.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
84. Democrats lose, they plan to work together. Republicans lose, they fight for their agenda
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:48 PM
Nov 2014

and block anything that doesn't fit it (and even stuff that does to make Obama look bad).

Democrats don't seem to understand that the public does not give a flying fuck about process and bipartisanship, and neither will history.

If both parties work together to pass legislation that hurts average Americans and the rest of the world, that is nothing to be proud of.

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