Iran dog owners could face 74 lashes
Source: Sky news
Dog owners in Iran could face up to 74 lashes, just for keeping them in their home or taking them out for walks.
A draft law proposed by 32 members of parliament would also bring in heavy fines for those convicted of owning the animals, according to Iran's Shargh newspaper.
Read more: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/iranian-dog-owners-could-face-74-lashes-110422656.html
Wtf...
WhiteTara
(31,230 posts)maced666
(771 posts)But they have my attention.
WhiteTara
(31,230 posts)Who would even propose that? Off topic, I wonder when the pukes will put public beatings into the law.
PNW_Dem
(119 posts)I could see doing this for house cat owners, considering the environmental damage that those little demons cause. Once again, they are way off the mark.
Cats kill up to 3.7B birds annually
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and have never killed a bird. Do I get to go lashless?
Whether or not you wear fake eye lashes is not up to me
However, very cool that you keep your cats indoors. I wish more folks would acknowledge the facts about song bird extinction and either keep their house cats indoors or get the declawed.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you lost me with declawing. All you're doing is basically cutting off their fingers and leaving them defenseless if they happen to get outdoors. My vet wont even do it.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Why don't you just go chop your fingers off at the knuckles? That's a similar suggestion.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)just curious. I have a dog and it is a mouser - so it is a working dog or would be if I rented her out. would that be a pet or an income?
Leontius
(2,270 posts)Adoption slim to none chance or shelter which would be euthanize around here.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)They're not little demons, they're animals just like humans are. And talk about an animal that causes destruction on a mass scale -- birds, oceans, air, water, you name it -- that would be the human animal.
I'm so sick of the cat haters spewing their stupid bile all the time.
navarth
(5,927 posts)PNW_Dem
(119 posts)I am not a cat hater. I am a bird lover and song birds are going extinct in many parts of the country. The main cause, by far, is domesticated cats (aka house cats). Instead of whining like a Republican and pointing fingers, take responsibility for your actions if you are a cat owner. Its not a made up fact, it real that house cats kill over one billion birds per year in the US which is far more (3x more) than any other cause (hunting, wind turbines, lighted buildings, etc).
Ned Flanders
(233 posts)If your cat were bigger than you, it would probably like to play with you like it plays with birds and other small creatures. That is the difference between cats and dogs.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)they snuggle up to me at every opportunity. They keep me warm and toasty at night. One rides around on my shoulder.
Dogs are the ones who can and occasionally do attack (and sometimes) kill people. I'm not a dog person but I don't go around posting anti-dog stuff.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)snack if small enough. The dog wouldn't torture you before disemboweling you, though, which is a slight benefit there.
My dog loves trying to eat mice, squirrels, rabbits, birds, etc.
hamsterjill
(17,213 posts)And the science doesn't back up their claims either.
crim son
(27,551 posts)But thanks for sharing.
zonkers
(5,865 posts)maced666
(771 posts)Can go on and on...just really hope it never passes.
get the red out
(14,001 posts)The last think the Iranian government would want a child to be taught.
christx30
(6,241 posts)in Islam. And everything else on the planet takes a backseat to their invisible sky fairy in that part of the world. Love, compassion, responsibility do not matter, as long as they think their imaginary friend is happy. Not much different from the "God hates f*gs" people here.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)G-d hates fags people aren't in government and I'm unaware of anyone in our government putting forth a law that could be punishable with whipping the skin off someone's back. Except for that - exactly the same.
christx30
(6,241 posts)to prevent that from happening.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The Democratic turnout on Tuesday was a disgrace.
Mz Pip
(28,391 posts)Good grief, so what? That's why they get baths. They are messy creatures who like to roll in mud, crap, dead fish. They are doing what comes naturally to them. If the invisible sky fairy wanted them to be clean, he would have made them cats.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)we go to the dog park, she stands around and whines when she gets tired, so I started bringing a pad for her to sit on. Some times she will sit on the table there if it is not covered in bird poop. Yes,I am stuck wit a clean freak dog. The only exception is the skunk stink when she chases the skunk away. She does whine about that too.
get the red out
(14,001 posts)told him he wouldn't enter a house with a dog in it. So dogs are despised and often killed in many Muslim countries.
I love dogs, so I hate this, of course I've been told off for my love of dogs before.
rwsanders
(3,176 posts)Dopers_Greed
(2,647 posts)You're going to be accused of bigotry and scolded by Ben Affleck for this post.
christx30
(6,241 posts)He'll weep at my bigotry, curse the heavens for having to put up with it, then go save Gotham City. All will be well.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)samsingh
(18,333 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)but again, I am proven wrong.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I may be ethnocentric, but I'm not trying to create "good" governance by beating pet owners with 32 lashes.
get the red out
(14,001 posts)I heartily agree.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)like you needed any?
paper boy
(52 posts)and basically everything else.
rocktivity
(45,003 posts)But I've always said that the problem with religious extremism isn't the religion, it's the extremism.
rocktivity
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)The notion that a supreme being has dictated/mandated/forbidden something can't help but lead to what YOU label as "extremism". To the "extremists", what could be more sensible and natural than obeying what they believe to be the supreme lord of the universe, unfailingly and without compromise? To them, you putting your judgement ahead of god's is the crazy behavior.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)hopefully with plenty of Rottweilers, German shepherds, and of course, pit bulls.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)As I try to do in most things, I thought I'd check for myself. Here are some excerpts from Wikipedia:
Dogs in the Qurʼān
Dogs in ḥadīths
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals#Views_regarding_particular_animals
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Zorro
(18,452 posts)so this is payback.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)You'll see that it's not as clear cut as the Iranian mullahs make out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals#Views_regarding_particular_animals
shenmue
(38,585 posts)Who doesn't like dogs?
Even kitties like dogs.
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navarth
(5,927 posts)that is some sick insane evil shit. wtf iran.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,848 posts)
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)Blind Man Files Complaint After He Says Muslim Cabbies Repeatedly Refused Service to Him and His Guide Dog
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/12/blind-man-files-complaint-after-he-says-muslim-cabbies-repeatedly-refused-service-to-him-and-his-guide-dog/
Muslim bus drivers refuse to let guide dogs on board
http://www.petstreet.co.uk/Forum/705350.Muslim%20bus%20drivers%20refuse%20to%20let%20guide%20dogs%20on%20board
This was a problem in Minneapolis/St.Paul a few years ago also.
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)We have no moral high ground on this issue.
Exultant Democracy
(6,597 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I say, lash the assholes that would shit like this up.
What stupid fucking uneducated backwards idiots...the dogs have 10 times the brains of these freaks.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Then let's have a war for peace!
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)...Iran is screwed. They won't have any dogs for defense or hunting.
christx30
(6,241 posts)those that are not like them? How would you tell the difference from the zombie apocalypse?
Police, farmers and hunters with working dogs would be exempt from the penalties.
Unclean dogs are ok if they have employment but I bet they get the bullet when they retire.
Shocking innit!
CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)All animals are to be treated with compassion, according to the Quran:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)
candelista
(1,986 posts)Not enough. Can't sharia law do better?
Exultant Democracy
(6,597 posts)The is an elementary school in a city I used to live in that had to shut down outdoor recess because of all the shit all over the playground.
That being said no one deserves to be lashed, not the owners or the dogs. Even when they shit all over a children's playground.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I think the underlying issue in both cases is that it's seen as a decadent western influence.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)In both instances, it allows people to turn their brains off and justify inhumanity.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)There's not really a religious argument against it.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)The problem isn't the religion. If people of a religion don't like dogs, they shouldn't get one. The problem is the merger of religion and government where religious beliefs are being dictated as rules everyone has to follow. I'm sure there are many people in the US that think dogs are unclean, but until politicians start taking that as a call to action, I don't see this as a real problem.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Arabs have always had a bad view of dogs, mostly because Dogs and Jackals are often interchangeable in much of the Arab World.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackal
Mostly this has to do with the Golden Jackel:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_jackal
Like Coyotes, Jackals have been expanding into areas cleared of Wolves:
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There is a group who believe the dog is descendant from the Jackal (Wolf to Jackal to dog, as opposed Wolf to Dog) do to several features that jackals and dogs have and wolves do not, these include (Charles Darwin was one such advocate):
1. lack of a tail scent gland
2. Round eyes
3. except when breed to be bigger or smaller, dogs tend to go to the 50 pound rage, the same as the Jackal.
One report indicate dogs and Wolfs separated about 135,000 years ago, about the time man shows up (Through some people have attacked that report, it is still considered within the range of the separation of Dog form Wolf). This does NOT mean man domesticated the dog 135,000 years ago, but that dogs somehow separated themselves from wolves, most likely by learning how to live around man. Actual domestication and breeding did not occur till either about 9000 years ago (Through one questionable report from the 1880s says 13,500 years ago).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
Paper on dogs separating from wolves 100,000 years ago:
http://anthropology.tamu.edu/papers/Raisor-PhD2004.pdf
This would be compatible with the separation of Jackals from Wolves. DNA studies have indicated dogs are closer to Wolves then Jackals, but if you look at those studies you see a presumption in favor of wolves which may explain the findings. Furthermore it involves certain presumptions that may NOT be correct (Which is also the reason people attack the 135,000 years ago DNA report).
I bring this up, for it is the Arabs (and people of India) that are the most anti-dog, and this anti-dog attitude is more cultural then religious. It predates Islam, Buddhism and even much of Hinduism. It goes to the tradition of leaving Jackals and dogs eat scraps off the street. The Golden Jackal is the Jackal that did that in most ancient Mid-East to India cities. Thus Jackals (and thus also dogs) are viewed as animals of the gutter and thus "unclean" in those regions.
Now, you must understand the term "unclean". "Unclean" does not mean an animal is dirty or filthy, but something to avoid. "Clean" animals was a term related to domesticated animals. Thus any wild animal would be unclean, and when it came to Jackals a lot of ancient people viewed them NOT as domesticated pets but animals that cleaned up the trash left over from dinner.
Once you get away from the area where the Jackal lives, this hatred of dogs tend to disappear. South of the Golden Jackal area you are in Sub Sahara Africa and they appear to have imported the Dog only in the last 2000 years (with some tribes in Southern Africa only getting dogs in the last 500 years). North of the area where the Jackal lives, it is to cold to keep dogs outside in winter. You have to give them cover for them to survive, Furthermore dogs could and have been used as objects to warm people up. Thus the tendency to have dogs in homes outside of the Middle East, North Africa and India.
Jackals, like Coyotes in the Great Plains, evolved in an area where food was scarce, so being large was a disadvantage. In the Great Plains, the wolves would follow the bison herd, thus the coyotes had to avoid such herds, but left the rest of the Great Plains to them. It appears Jackals did the same as the Coyote, evolved in the dry desert area which could NOT support large animals, but could support much smaller animals. Thus the Jackal territory tends to be in areas without wolves (Or on areas where the Wolf travels through but does NOT stay).
In urban areas of the Ancient World, the Jackal and wild dogs thrived by eating what people threw away. Thus jackals and dogs became to be known as "Unclean" beasts and disliked by people in that part of the world.
Please note, Muhammad is believed to keep some hunting dogs and shepherds always had dogs.
Thus the "Ban" on dogs was NOT that dogs were "bad" just "unclean" and should be kept out of one's home. Again tied in with the habits of the Jackal.
Furthermore, in the Koran, dogs are treated with respect. For example a dog protects some men while they sleep when they hide in a cave during the persecution of Roman Emperor Diocletian (The Wikipedia says Emperor Decius). The Koran retells a story that was at least 100 years old at the time the Koran was written:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sleepers#Qur.27anic_version
Now, in the Hadiths, which are considered LESS reliable than the Koran itself, do repeat anti-dog tracks, but you have to be careful, some Hadiths are respected by both Sunni and Shiites, some by Sunni only, other by Shiites only.
Since we are discussing Iran, which is Shiite, only the Shiite Hadiths are a factor in this case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Books
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shia_books
There are 25,000 Hadiths and some conflict with one another (which is NOT unexpected, for each one is to be read as a whole NOT a word or line by itself). It is in the Hadiths you see the anti-dog rules, and in most cases reflect traditional Arab/Iranian/Indian hostilities to dog do to the existence in those areas of the Golden Jackal.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)
- It's become quite boring.

K&R
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)I suppose they would balk at smoking some honey oil with me. 74 lashes? Who picks these numbers?
