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TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:36 PM Nov 2014

Pope Francis again demotes hardline U.S. cardinal

Source: USA Today

In a move that reflects the loosening posture of the Vatican on major social issues, conservative U.S. cardinal Raymond Burke was removed by Pope Francis from yet another top post.

Burke, who has long been vocal about denying communion to Catholic politicians who support abortion, was dismissed as head of the Holy See's highest court and given the post of Patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, a largely ceremonial job overseeing charity to the elderly.

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In an interview with a Spanish Catholic weekly published last week, Burke said of the pope's leadership: "Many have expressed their concerns to me. … There is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder."

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Francis eschews elaborate papal vestments in favor of more humble garb. He has been known to celebrate holidays by washing the feet of the poor and prisoners. And, notably, he has encouraged no-cost marriage annulments for Catholics and welcomed homosexuals to the church.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/11/08/pope-francis-demotes-conservative-us-cardinal-raymond-burke/18710769/



I imagine that the conservative's corporate masters will not be happy with this because they would rather the church distract people from issues like social justice.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ken-langone-pope-francis

Billionaire Home Depot Founder Says Pope Francis Is Alienating The Rich

Billionaire Home Depot founder Ken Langone has a warning for Pope Francis.

A major Republican donor, Langone told CNBC in a story published online Monday that wealthy people such as himself might stop giving to charity if the Pope continues to make statements criticizing capitalism and income inequality.

Langone said he was worried the Pope's comments about an "exclusionary" "culture of prosperity" that may make some of the rich "incapable of feeling compassion for the poor."

Langone, who is leading an effort to raise money for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan said he relayed these concerns to Cardinal Timothy Dolan in New York. Specifically, Langone said he told the church leader he spoke to a donor who could give millions of dollars to the cathedral project but was worried about the Pope's "exclusionary" remarks.
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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. Well,
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:38 PM
Nov 2014

I doubt that he will be demoted from Cardinal if that is even possible.

However, it does appear that he in now the equivalent of a corporate "Executive Vice President of Paper Clips".

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
17. I live in St. Louis (where the man was archbishop for a good bit) and nothing makes me happier.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:17 PM
Nov 2014

A more Corporate, Institutionally-minded Hack of a priest there never was, as far as I'm concerned.

TexasProgresive

(12,148 posts)
11. The Knights of Malta is about as low as one can get.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:01 PM
Nov 2014

The only thing worse would be defrocking and that would require real malfeasance. (wow I spelled that right!)

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
3. Imagine that...a Pope that is actually trying adhere to Jesus's teachings.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

That will definitely be unpopular with the wealthy.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
4. And predictabley, Langone makes the Pope's point for him.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:02 PM
Nov 2014

The Pope talks about how some wealthy people are incapable of feeling compassion for the poor, and Langone responds by threatening to stop giving to charity.

Honestly, you'd think it was parody if you didn't know that it was real.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. Clearly, he missed the part of charity that is not about one's feelings toward the poor, but God.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:18 PM
Nov 2014

A lot of people are really showing themselves now. As ugly as they are, it's good to pull back the curtains the sociopaths were hiding behind. We will also see how many who aren't wealthy will emulate them even more.

bpollen

(110 posts)
10. Yeah
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:59 PM
Nov 2014

"I didn't like what the Pope said so I am going to take it out on the poor."

If you wonder why people resent the rich, the reason for the "eat the rich" meme, all you gotta do is look in the mirror, Ken

TexasProgresive

(12,148 posts)
9. This from another cardinal on Francis
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:58 PM
Nov 2014


Cardinal Kasper: Pope Francis Is Not A Liberal, He's A Radical

WASHINGTON (RNS) Just days before the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops opens its annual fall meeting, German Cardinal Walter Kasper, often called the pope’s theologian, had a not-too-subtle message for the American church.

Kasper told a standing-room-only crowd at Catholic University that Pope Francis wants a “missionary church” with an open door, not “a self-centered, self-pitying church immersed in its own suffering.”

The cardinal, who was awarded the university’s medal for “excellence in scholarship and leadership in religious studies,” spoke Thursday (Nov. 6) as the Catholic world continues to sift through the fallout from last month’s contentious Synod on the Family.

Not everyone sees Francis as “the beginning of a new spring in the church,” said Kasper. “Every pope will have his opponents and enemies.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/08/pope-francis-cardinal-kasper_n_6124042.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
14. Hope Cardinal Dolan gets the message.....
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:22 PM
Nov 2014

meanwhile in his balleywick were shuttering churches and schools, further alienating the congregations. I guess because they aren't getting enough funds. They been sucking the local church treasuries dry. Rather than saying if a church can make a go it should. One plan reported is if the congregations die off enough that they should close. I've seen plans to build a mega church to make up for the closed ones....

Pope Francis is large and in charge...hope the rest get a clue.

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
18. Alienate the rich
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:52 AM
Nov 2014

and isolate their mouthpiece
A shame he probably can't be demoted or fired without just cause
I would like to see the records from St Louis when Dolan was in charge

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
15. "Pope Francis Is Alienating The Rich"
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:33 PM
Nov 2014


Yes, how DARE the vicar of Christ actually acts like Christ! THE HORROR!
 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
16. Burke denied communion to John Kerry for being pro-choice,
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:39 PM
Nov 2014

but had zero issue with Bush being pro-capital punishment and killing hundreds of thousands in Iraq.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/vatican-chief-justice-pro-abortion-kerry-pelosi-shouldnt-receive

He's a GOP hack, abusing his position for attention and a rightwing agenda.

Good to see the Pope taking action on these folks.

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