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WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:18 PM Nov 2014

U.S. plans to arm Iraq's Sunni tribesmen with AK-47s, RPGs, mortars

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - The United States plans to buy arms for Sunni tribesmen in Iraq including AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades and mortar rounds to help bolster the battle against Islamic State militants in Anbar province, according to a Pentagon document prepared for Congress.

The plan to spend $24.1 million represents a small fraction of the larger, $1.6 billion spending request to Congress focusing on training and arming Iraqi and Kurdish forces.

But the document underscored the importance the Pentagon places on the Sunni tribesmen to its overall strategy to diminish Islamic State, and cautioned Congress about the consequences of failing to assist them.

"Not arming tribal fighters will continue to leave anti-ISIL tribes reluctant to actively counter ISIL," the document said, using another acronym for the group which has seized control of large parts of Syrian and Iraq and is gaining territory in Anbar despite three months of U.S.-led air strikes.

A U.S. official said on Saturday that the document was posted this week. Click 1.usa.gov/11nsTuN to read it.

Read more: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/11/23/mideast-crisis-usa-arms-idINKCN0J701820141123



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U.S. plans to arm Iraq's Sunni tribesmen with AK-47s, RPGs, mortars (Original Post) WhiteTara Nov 2014 OP
Breaking News: SamKnause Nov 2014 #1
+100 840high Nov 2014 #2
2nd term... always difficult ...nt quadrature Nov 2014 #3
great idea drray23 Nov 2014 #4
Don't worry. Igel Nov 2014 #14
Actually the Shah was our guy... EX500rider Nov 2014 #17
Why don't we drop about a billion dollars worth of books and building materials around jtuck004 Nov 2014 #5
The bullets can't fly in that environment jakeXT Nov 2014 #8
oh great hibbing Nov 2014 #6
We are arming Sunnis; ISIS is Sunni. Shemp Howard Nov 2014 #7
We are nuts. We are throwing WhiteTara Nov 2014 #9
I don't see what could POSSIBLY christx30 Nov 2014 #10
There is a saying in that part of the world. Shemp Howard Nov 2014 #12
All we can do is hope ammunition has a shelf life. zonkers Nov 2014 #15
Why Aren't The Sunni Tribesmen Already Armed DallasNE Nov 2014 #11
Points to ponder... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2014 #13
No body can protect you... HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #16
I'm 100% against arming them. But... WhoWoodaKnew Nov 2014 #18
The stupid has no end lark Nov 2014 #19

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
1. Breaking News:
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:27 PM
Nov 2014

The U.S. plans to arm the entire globe.

The U.S. loves to stir up shit and then spread it around generously.

I AM SICK OF WARS !!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM SICK OF the U.S. squandering tax payers dollars on war profiteers !!!!!!!!!!!

drray23

(7,637 posts)
4. great idea
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:31 PM
Nov 2014

What could possibly go wrong ? Its not like we created the talibans by arming afghans or overthrew the sha of iran and gave rise to the ayatolas. Oh wait..

Igel

(35,337 posts)
14. Don't worry.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:52 AM
Nov 2014

Remember, there's the winning strategy not of having strategic goals but of not doing stupid things.

And since the President's strategy is a winning strategy, it means that this cannot be a Stupid Thing (tm).

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
17. Actually the Shah was our guy...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:21 PM
Nov 2014

....the CIA helped over throw the guy before him in '53.
And most of the money for arming the Mujaheddin came from Saudi and was done in Pakistan so us keeping out of it wouldn't have changed much there.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
5. Why don't we drop about a billion dollars worth of books and building materials around
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:49 PM
Nov 2014

the place - mess it up so they can't hardly mount a decent battle against each other without moving a sack of concrete or a stack of books (in theirs and many languages). Anytime they roll out they get bombarded with paperbacks, like hail. Instead of war crimes we could be taken to a tribunal for global littering.

The guns will just be a present for our great, great grandchildren. We are never gonna get a different result if we keep doin' this same shit.

hibbing

(10,107 posts)
6. oh great
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 11:53 PM
Nov 2014

Gee, I'll have to look at my retirement to see how much I have in "defense" contractors.

Peace

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
7. We are arming Sunnis; ISIS is Sunni.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:36 AM
Nov 2014

Of course, we are not arming the ISIS Sunnis. We are arming the non-ISIS Sunnis. But the non-ISIS Sunnis might become ISIS Sunnis if the Shia push them (the non-ISIS Sunnis) hard enough.

Got that? If not, let me simplify: We have no business being in that region.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
9. We are nuts. We are throwing
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:48 AM
Nov 2014

gasoline onto a roaring fire. Maybe the aim is that the raging fire burns out by them all killing each other. That's the ticket.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
10. I don't see what could POSSIBLY
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:50 AM
Nov 2014

go wrong. Arming certain groups to fight others has always worked out for us every time. Every. Time.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
12. There is a saying in that part of the world.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:29 AM
Nov 2014

I against my brothers. My brothers and I against my cousins. My brothers, my cousins, and I against strangers.

So whom should we arm against whom?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
11. Why Aren't The Sunni Tribesmen Already Armed
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:55 AM
Nov 2014

I think we know that answer. Maliki would not permit it but now he is gone. The Sunni tribesmen have a dog in this hunt, unlike the soldiers we trained for 8 years that just folded when the first shots were fired.

The Iraqi's need to defend their own country and since we broke it we need to provide arms so they at least have a chance of causing problems for ISIL. This is not putting American combat troops in harms way -- something I would be very opposed to.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
13. Points to ponder...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:40 AM
Nov 2014

... are these the weapons we confiscated from the former Yugoslavians after the most recent Balkan war? Is the army paying the CIA for these weapons, of course, through a front (oh oh, I better stop here)...

HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
16. No body can protect you...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:10 PM
Nov 2014

Better than you can protect yourself, if you have something to protect yourself with...

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
18. I'm 100% against arming them. But...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:40 PM
Nov 2014

I bet that if any of us were in a village and we saw a bunch of terrorists about to slaughter the residents, steal their women, etc we'd throw them a gun (if we had one). We'd probably fight along side them as well.

lark

(23,147 posts)
19. The stupid has no end
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:52 PM
Nov 2014

Like they would have no idea how this could turn out after ISIS and Al=Quaeda started exactly the same way. Does Obama pay any attention to this or does he just sign whatever the generals ask for?

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