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antigop

(12,778 posts)
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:23 PM Dec 2014

Obama says will make strong push for fast-track trade authority

Source: Reuters

U.S. President Barack Obama on Wednesday committed to urge lawmakers to back a bill giving trade deals a fast track through Congress, an effort some think could break a logjam on the issue and help secure major agreements under negotiation.

Speaking to business leaders, he acknowledged differences within his own Democratic Party on free trade agreements that he supports and said he would also make the case to unions that trade brought benefits for workers.

A bill to give the Obama administration so-called fast-track power, which would allow only yes-or-no votes on trade deals in Congress without amendments, has been stuck all year.

Obama said he planned to speak to congressional leaders on both sides to make "a strong case on the merits of why this has to get done."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/03/us-usa-trade-obama-idUSKCN0JH24220141203

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Obama says will make strong push for fast-track trade authority (Original Post) antigop Dec 2014 OP
I will call WH, Senators and Rep tomorrow, again. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #1
And how much money are you going to give? upaloopa Dec 2014 #3
An earful. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #5
Why does it have to get done? upaloopa Dec 2014 #2
The people who pay the lobbyists want it done arcane1 Dec 2014 #4
It's about bribery. If the Democrats pass the TPP, then maybe big corporations and others who JDPriestly Dec 2014 #9
If they don't do this, they'll never be able to get the bill passed. hughee99 Dec 2014 #28
STUPID SHIT. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #6
all the corporate stooges doing what they are told nt msongs Dec 2014 #7
BUT YOU GUYS....YOU JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND!!!!! vi5 Dec 2014 #8
Yeah, cuz bipartisan and "both sides" and "TTP & ETTA will open new markets for the USA!!!" KJG52 Dec 2014 #13
The silence is deafening. Deny and Shred Dec 2014 #15
The real reason he was installed in the White House. FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #10
"... the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership, will help raise labor and environmental standards." pampango Dec 2014 #11
Raise labor standards by sending jobs overseas? TBF Dec 2014 #14
As Krugman has written, tariffs are already very low. We already have FTA's with many of them. pampango Dec 2014 #16
You're going to have to be A LOT TBF Dec 2014 #17
If you believe that nothing in these agreements is "enforceable" then there is not much pampango Dec 2014 #21
You didn't answer my question - TBF Dec 2014 #22
"Platitudes are fine but not without a concrete plan with very specific details about how this will pampango Dec 2014 #23
At least we have some points TBF Dec 2014 #25
Nicely said. n/t pampango Dec 2014 #26
I wish I could rec this post (nt) malokvale77 Dec 2014 #20
if it's so great and necessary, why the secrecy? williesgirl Dec 2014 #12
They could tell you, but then they'd have to kill you. Because "freedom"...for the 1%. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #19
republicans made that point about FDR in their 1936 party platform. pampango Dec 2014 #24
Look, everyone! It's DU's resident Chamber of Commerce Representative brentspeak Dec 2014 #29
Nice contribution to the discussion of secrecy in trade negotiations. pampango Dec 2014 #30
As before, and always, you attempt to deceive by means of selective information brentspeak Dec 2014 #31
That raises the issue that liberals are more likely to support policies that may harm them (or 'us' pampango Dec 2014 #32
You sank his battleship. Union Scribe Dec 2014 #33
It's not a secret; it's just that they have to pass the bill FIRST closeupready Dec 2014 #27
25 more months of this..just wonderful...nt quadrature Dec 2014 #18
Bad president. n/t Orsino Dec 2014 #34

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. Why does it have to get done?
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:26 PM
Dec 2014

Make a case to me. I'm not the one getting mega bucks from lobbyists.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. The people who pay the lobbyists want it done
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:29 PM
Dec 2014

So that they'll have more money for more lobbying

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. It's about bribery. If the Democrats pass the TPP, then maybe big corporations and others who
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:58 PM
Dec 2014

want even more trade at the expense of American jobs will reward or bribe Democratic politicians of the Clinton ilk with campaign donations, direct and indirect or at least spend less on electing Republicans.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
28. If they don't do this, they'll never be able to get the bill passed.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 01:33 PM
Dec 2014

If people are allowed to make amendments, then people will actually look to see what's in it (to find things to amend), and if people find out what's in it, they won't like it. I expect to see some sort of manufactured crisis come up soon that will ONLY be fixed by signing trade deals without reading them first.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
8. BUT YOU GUYS....YOU JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND!!!!!
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 06:49 PM
Dec 2014

What else is he supposed to do? We have to do SOMETHING!!!!! And this is SOMETHING. If you don't have alternatives to the SOMETHING that we supposedly HAVE to do according to the people who are obviously smarter than all of us hippies, I'd be happy to listen. But until then.....WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO ASK FOR A PONY SOMEWHERE ELSE, EMO PROGS!!!!!



















KJG52

(70 posts)
13. Yeah, cuz bipartisan and "both sides" and "TTP & ETTA will open new markets for the USA!!!"
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 07:49 PM
Dec 2014

Just like NAFTA, and CAFTA and helping to establish the WTO helped labor and US manufacturing, uh, wait millions of jobs gone and thousands of factories relocated to places that are cheaper, environmentally dirtier and with cheap labor and bad working conditions. That's right, this is not about working conditions, wages or generally the right of workers to work in safe hazard free environments, it's about "competitiveness..." and the Democratic Party's commitment to push trade deals that impoverish working families because Freedom, uh no, crass political opportunism?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
11. "... the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership, will help raise labor and environmental standards."
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 07:26 PM
Dec 2014
He said his argument to U.S. labor unions and environmental groups concerned about the impact of free-trade agreements is that new trade deals, such as the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership, will help raise labor and environmental standards.

Fifty percent of Americans think trade destroys jobs and 45 percent think it lowers wages, according to a poll from the Pew Research Center. Obama said anti-trade sentiment had also increased among Republicans.

It will only "help raise labor and environmental standards" is there are strict, enforceable standards in it. If they are, perhaps someone can leak them.

Here's the Pew Poll referenced in Obama's quote:



http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/09/16/faith-and-skepticism-about-trade-foreign-investment/

TBF

(36,671 posts)
14. Raise labor standards by sending jobs overseas?
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 07:51 PM
Dec 2014

NAFTA at 20: One Million U.S. Jobs Lost, Higher Income Inequality
Posted: 01/06/2014 3:19 pm EST

My New Year's celebrations this year were haunted by memories of January 1, 1994 -- the day that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) went into effect. I remember crying that day, thinking about the proud men and women in union halls across America, the Mexican campesinos and the inspiring Canadian activists I had met during the fight against NAFTA, and hoping desperately that our dire predictions would be proved wrong.

They were not. In short order, the damage started. And, we started to document it.

For NAFTA's unhappy 20th anniversary, Public Citizen has published a report that details the wreckage. Not only did promises made by NAFTA's proponents not materialize, but many results are exactly the opposite.

Such outcomes include a staggering $181 billion U.S. trade deficit with NAFTA partners Mexico and Canada and the related loss of 1 million net U.S. jobs under NAFTA, growing income inequality, displacement of more than one million Mexican campesino farmers and a doubling of desperate immigration from Mexico, and more than $360 million paid to corporations after "investor-state" tribunal attacks on, and rollbacks of, domestic public interest policies ...

More here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/nafta-at-20-one-million-u_b_4550207.html


* And for more of the same & loss of a free internet go ahead and pass TPP ...

pampango

(24,692 posts)
16. As Krugman has written, tariffs are already very low. We already have FTA's with many of them.
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 08:30 PM
Dec 2014

If, a big IF, any new agreement had strong, enforceable labor standards it would be a great improvement and make it more difficult for countries with weak unions to compete with us. (Of course, our unions may be so weak compared to some countries that it may affect us too.)

TBF

(36,671 posts)
17. You're going to have to be A LOT
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 09:04 PM
Dec 2014

more specific about what the words "enforceable labor standards" means because I think that is complete BS. We've seen what NAFTA has done to wages and hiring in this country & it will only worsen with TPP.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
21. If you believe that nothing in these agreements is "enforceable" then there is not much
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 10:48 PM
Dec 2014

to worry about.

I am skeptical that there are "enforceable labor standards" in the agreement but don't believe that international agreements can never have "enforceable" provisions. Many of us wanted NAFTA renegotiated precisely to include stronger (and enforceable) labor and environmental standards.

Perhaps we should cancel negotiations with Iran since the the final provisions will not be "enforceable". Same with any international climate change treaty.

The way to solve global problems is through negotiations; not by some belief in a "magic hand" that each country acting unilaterally in its own perceived self-interest will produce the greatest common good.

TBF

(36,671 posts)
22. You didn't answer my question -
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 10:59 PM
Dec 2014

I asked you to define what it meant. Which "labor standards"? Are we going to have specific minimum wages? Are there going to be specific environmental protections? Throwing around vague terms without defining them is a way to muddy the water without really saying anything.

In theory I believe in open borders, but only if we are looking out for all the people as opposed to just the billionaires. What happened to all the manufacturing employees who lost jobs due to NAFTA? I'd be surprised if many of them are making equivalent or higher wages than they were (if they are in fact even employed). Give folks a minimum income and re-train for other jobs or something. Don't just discard them like yesterday's trash.

Platitudes are fine but not without a concrete plan with very specific details about how this will all play out. No one is giving us those details on TPP because a lot of low income folks are once again going to get screwed.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
23. "Platitudes are fine but not without a concrete plan with very specific details about how this will
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:41 AM
Dec 2014

all play out." - Agreed. If there is no "concrete plan with very specific details" regarding enforcement, then it is a bad idea. It is not impossible for these agreements to have such 'specific details'.

What happened to all the manufacturing employees who lost jobs due to NAFTA? I'd be surprised if many of them are making equivalent or higher wages than they were (if they are in fact even employed).

Manufacturing jobs have been declining since the mid-1950's. (In all the developed world since the 1970's.) The decline did not accelerate after NAFTA. Incomes rose after NAFTA until Bush came into office. They declined after that. You can blame NAFTA. I will blame Bush.

Give folks a minimum income and re-train for other jobs or something. Don't just discard them like yesterday's trash.

Agreed.

TBF

(36,671 posts)
25. At least we have some points
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 09:34 AM
Dec 2014

of agreement. It definitely is frustrating to watch as people struggle. My spouse and I are professional and have been ok (good jobs) but myriad school loans to repay. We are a "success story" as it were. But I watch family members flounder, low paying jobs, trying to make sense of it all (and then some of them vote repug - drives me crazy).

There has got to be a way to lift the boats worldwide, but with sanity as opposed to billionaires on yachts and everyone else for themselves.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
19. They could tell you, but then they'd have to kill you. Because "freedom"...for the 1%.
Wed Dec 3, 2014, 09:52 PM
Dec 2014

Of course, all that "freedom" means slavery for the 99%.

Obama's never met a Republican proposal he wouldn't strongly consider working to implement.

Liars lie.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
24. republicans made that point about FDR in their 1936 party platform.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:55 AM
Dec 2014
The 1936 republican party platform looks like it could have been written for the tea party:

It has coerced and intimidated voters by withholding relief to those opposing its tyrannical policies.

It has destroyed the morale of our people and made them dependent upon government.

Appeals to passion and class prejudice have replaced reason and tolerance.

It has created a vast multitude of new offices, filled them with its favorites, set up a centralized bureaucracy, and sent out swarms of inspectors to harass our people.

It has bred fear and hesitation in commerce and industry, thus discouraging new enterprises, preventing employment and prolonging the depression.

It secretly has made tariff agreements with our foreign competitors, flooding our markets with foreign commodities.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29639

"Fast track is a legacy of the Reciprocal Tariff Act of 1934 passed under FDR by a Democratic congress.

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act (RTAA) into law in 1934. RTAA gave the president power to negotiate trade agreements with other countries. This law enabled Roosevelt to liberalize American trade policy around the globe. It is widely credited with ushering in the era of liberal trade policy that persists to this day.

By giving the President the authority to negotiate these deals, the Congress effectively ceded a part of their power (authorized under US Constitution, Article I, Section VIII) to the executive branch.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_Tariff_Act

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
29. Look, everyone! It's DU's resident Chamber of Commerce Representative
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:04 PM
Dec 2014

Playing the "You Might Be A Republican or Helping the Republicans If You Are Against The Free Trade Ripoffs" propaganda card again!

A short history of Pampango's misuse of invoking FDR on DU to promulgate corporatist "free trade" agreements:

(in reply to Pampango's posts)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=653430

Related: Pampango's history of invoking the GOP/Tea Party here on DU to do likewise:

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3218994

pampango

(24,692 posts)
30. Nice contribution to the discussion of secrecy in trade negotiations.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 04:10 PM
Dec 2014

FDR favored lower tariffs, more trade and multilateral governance of trading rules. He was accused of excessive secrecy in trade negotiations by his republican opponents who were largely isolationists and had raised tariffs three times in the 12 years of republican rule prior to 1933.

If you do not like to see polls showing that attitudes of the GOP base/Tea Party with respect to trade, please ignore them. Not liking them does not make them inaccurate or irrelevant. If you think I am missing or ignoring a message in a poll, feel free to post your opinion.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
31. As before, and always, you attempt to deceive by means of selective information
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:05 PM
Dec 2014

And like a typical online corporate propagandist, you have no scruples or inhibition or shame at all in reposting and reposting and reposting your misinformation in the hopes there might be some gullible idiots out there who might believe your tripe.

"If you do not like to see polls showing that attitudes of the GOP base/Tea Party with respect to trade, please ignore them."

If you are going to post polls here, don't misrepresent them. Here is a poll from that very same Pew article you've selectively excerpted from and spammed here on DU for the past several years. It shows that Americans of all political backgrounds agree that the so-called "free trade" agreements lead to American job losses. Indeed, the poll reveals that Democrats do not support 'free trade "over all" -- it says the opposite. The poll also shows that support for "free trade" among Democrats is plummeting.



Moreover, your support of the free trade deals demonstrates that you have much more in common with Republican Tea Baggers than you do with both the Democratic voters and Congressional Democrats:



http://firedoglake.com/2011/10/12/job-killing-trade-deals-pass-congress-amidst-record-democratic-opposition/

Job-Killing Trade Deals Pass Congress Amidst Record Democratic Opposition

Given the strong Democratic opposition, ultimately it was the Tea Party GOP freshmen who passed these job-killing deals (Bush and Obama's brokered KORUS, Panama and Colombian deals) despite their campaign commitments at home to stand up for Main Street businesses, against more job offshoring and for Buy American requirements.

Record of Congressional Democratic Opposition to Democratic Presidents on Trade Pacts

-82.3% of House Democrats opposed the Colombia FTA (158 Democrats against, 31 for)
-67.7% of House Democrats opposed the Korea FTA (130 Democrats against, 59 for)
-64,1% of House Democrats opposed the Panama FTA (123 Democrats against, 66 for)
-60.6% of Democrats opposed NAFTA (1993)
-35% opposed the WTO (1994)
-65.56% opposed China PNTR (2000)

Record of Congressional Democratic Opposition to GOP Presidents on Trade Pacts

-62.6% opposed the Chile FTA (2003)
-62.14% opposed the Singapore FTA (2003)
-41.3% opposed the Australia FTA (2004)
-39.32% opposed the Morocco FTA (2004)
-92.6% opposed the Central America Free Trade Agreement (2005)
-40.4% opposed the Bahrain FTA (2005)
-87.6% opposed the Oman FTA (2006)
slightly more than half opposed the Peru FTA (2007)


Finally, there's your typical rewriting of FDR's views on trade. Bottom line: While FDR supported trade in general, he would never for a minute have supported today's lobbyist-written deals such as NAFTA, CAFTA, KORUS, and now TPP, which are designed to offshore American manufacturing jobs and depress US worker wages. FDR's Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act made crystal clear that US trade agreements involving mutual tariff reductions with corresponding nations would not commence if it meant that American workers would be hurt by the deal:



https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Reciprocal_Tariff_Act.html

President Franklin D. Roosevelt was authorized by the Act for a fixed period of time to negotiate on bilateral basis with other countries and then implement reductions in tariffs (up to 50% of existing tariffs) in exchange for compensating tariff reductions by the partner trading country. Roosevelt was also instructed to maximize market access abroad without jeopardizing domestic industry, and reduce tariffs only as necessary to promote exports in accord with the "needs of various branches of American production." A most favored nation clause was also included.


Now go peddle your propaganda elsewhere -- like maybe the Wall St. Journal boards.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
32. That raises the issue that liberals are more likely to support policies that may harm them (or 'us'
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:37 AM
Dec 2014

in general) if they see a bigger picture that they approve of. Looking at the results of those two questions, while republicans are marginally more likely than Democrats to view 'free trade' as hurting jobs, wages and the economy, republicans are much more likely to few it as bad policy than Democrats are (a plurality of whom support it).

58% of R's and 47% of D's believe it causes job losses, 45% R - 42% D that it lowers wages and 48% R to 34% D that it hurts the economy. Yet republicans think it is bad policy by a 54%-28% margin, while Democrats think it is good policy by a 40%-35% margin. Why are Democrats more likely to support a policy that they themselves view as harmful to themselves? Is there a 'bigger picture'?



A majority of both parties thought that 'free trade' was good for 'developing countries'. Indeed, for the most part, those have been the biggest beneficiaries. The lowest 70% on the global income scale have benefited the most, along with the top 1%. Those who have suffered the most are those in the 80th percentile of global income - most of us - the middle class in the developed world.

Perhaps republicans rightly see that 'we' have suffered the most and do not care much about the 70% so to them the answer is obvious - cut trade to protect 'us' from 'them'. Many liberals would, I think, look at the same graph (below) and wonder if we cannot help the 75%-85% group (most of us) by taxing or limiting the gains of the top 1% without jeopardizing the gains of the bottom 70%.

Is liberals' relative support for "free trade" despite their perception of it as harmful to themselves (and 'us') at all similar to liberal support for the civil rights of racial and ethnic minorities, women, LGBT and immigrants despite the fact that it offers no direct benefits to straight, white male liberals? Indeed most conservatives want to return to the 1950's when white males had all the good jobs and political power. In their minds increasing the access of minorities, women, gays and immigrants to the benefits of the economy means that white men face extra competition for good jobs, college admissions and political power in general. From a selfish, narrow-minded point of view they may have a point but they make no effort to understand the 'bigger picture'.



Job-Killing Trade Deals Pass Congress Amidst Record Democratic Opposition

Indeed one of the interesting aspects of the trade debate is that the republican base largely opposes the WTO and trade agreements but their politicians vote overwhelmingly in favor of them. The Democratic base is more supportive of trade but their politicians largely vote against it.

I have posted this many times and do not disagree with anything in the excerpts you posted.


Roosevelt was also instructed to maximize market access abroad without jeopardizing domestic industry, and reduce tariffs only as necessary to promote exports in accord with the "needs of various branches of American production."

He received these 'instructions' in the legislation authorizing fast track authority for him to negotiate these trade agreements. In more modern times, when congress authorizes 'fast track' for a president it always includes 'instructions' as to what the sense of congress is on what should be included in the agreements that will eventually be submitted to congress for an up-or-down vote.
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
27. It's not a secret; it's just that they have to pass the bill FIRST
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 11:42 AM
Dec 2014

so that you can see what's in it, ok?

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