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Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:55 PM

Missouri Rep Pushes Bill Requiring Father’s Signature For Abortion Except In Cases Of ‘Legitimate Ra

Source: CBS St. Louis

ST. LOUIS, Mo. (CBS ST. LOUIS) – A GOP lawmaker in Missouri introduced a bill that requires pregnant women to receive written consent from the father of the child before an abortion can be performed – or in exceptional cases of “legitimate rape.”

State Representative Rick Brattin, a Republican from outside Kansas City, filed the bill on Dec. 3 that proposes, “No abortion shall be performed or induced unless and until the father of the unborn child provides written, notarized consent to the abortion.”

Read more: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/12/17/missouri-rep-pushes-bill-requiring-fathers-signature-for-abortion-except-in-cases-of-legitimate-rape/



Another 'legitimate rape' wacko.

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Reply Missouri Rep Pushes Bill Requiring Father’s Signature For Abortion Except In Cases Of ‘Legitimate Ra (Original post)
christx30 Dec 2014 OP
noiretextatique Dec 2014 #1
George II Dec 2014 #19
mrmpa Dec 2014 #20
csziggy Dec 2014 #27
noiretextatique Dec 2014 #43
nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #47
sakabatou Dec 2014 #2
Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2014 #3
Downwinder Dec 2014 #4
pangaia Dec 2014 #10
leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #11
pangaia Dec 2014 #14
leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #15
pangaia Dec 2014 #28
christx30 Dec 2014 #26
uppityperson Dec 2014 #5
christx30 Dec 2014 #8
leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #17
blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #6
jwirr Dec 2014 #7
belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #16
historylovr Dec 2014 #30
jwirr Dec 2014 #40
christx30 Dec 2014 #41
loyalsister Dec 2014 #32
Louisiana1976 Dec 2014 #9
leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #13
TygrBright Dec 2014 #12
SpankMe Dec 2014 #18
loyalsister Dec 2014 #33
alp227 Dec 2014 #21
greymattermom Dec 2014 #22
Cryptoad Dec 2014 #23
Hekate Dec 2014 #25
Yupster Dec 2014 #46
Hekate Dec 2014 #24
Freddie Dec 2014 #29
loyalsister Dec 2014 #34
Freddie Dec 2014 #35
SunSeeker Dec 2014 #31
Taitertots Dec 2014 #36
Brigid Dec 2014 #45
kentauros Dec 2014 #37
baldguy Dec 2014 #38
yellowcanine Dec 2014 #39
Liberal_in_LA Dec 2014 #42
LiberalElite Dec 2014 #44

Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:00 PM

1. wintfh?

let these fuckers have a few states where they can create the their hellhole.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:40 PM

19. Yeah, like the Yukon and Northwest Territories.

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Response to George II (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:56 PM

20. Not there please, because..........

they've created their own hell & if we transport them north, they'll just add fire to climate change.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:39 PM

27. Give them some islands to make their hell on earth

Since they don't believe in climate change, they can't be concerned about rising ocean levels, so they can happily set up their fundamentalist paradise and establish their own rules.

When the oceans rise, we can wave bye bye as they slip beneath the swells.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:48 PM

43. I like it!

great idea!

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Response to csziggy (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:28 AM

47. +2

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:00 PM

2. WTF?!

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:01 PM

3. Take it from me:Void for vagueness.

A lot of laws are thrown out for that reason.

What if the daddy wants an abortion and the mother doesn't? Even if they are married? You never hear about that.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:02 PM

4. Got a legal definition of 'legitimate rape' in there?

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:13 PM

10. Exactly, What the heck is a legitimate rape?

What is an illegitimate rape?

Who thinks up these terms?

I know, some wacko RWer...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:22 PM

11. According to one guy I know

legitimate rape is only if you get the shit beat out of you.

Anything else doesn't really count.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:23 PM

14. I think you might want to consider 'unknowing' him.

Last edited Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:49 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to pangaia (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:25 PM

15. Boy, Howdy.

He was the husband of a woman I worked with. He worked as Head of Security for Wards. And he really believed this.

I think he even called it legitimate rape.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:48 PM

28. Yikes.

A disgrace to my gender.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:36 PM

26. As in, the woman is telling the truth

that she was raped. So if you get pregnant, it must mean that you wanted the sex, therefore, it wasn't rape. Isn't that special?
But on this case, it's just that you have to actually be raped to get an abortion. You have to file a police report, get a rape kit done, get pregnant after the rape, and the burden is on you to prove that it was rape. If all of the above happens, then and only then can you have it done.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:04 PM

5. how can you prove you were raped? I think you, Rep.Brattin, are a clueless moran as proven by this.

I’m just saying if there was a legitimate rape, you’re going to make a police report, just as if you were robbed,” Brattin says.
“That’s just common sense.” Under his bill, he notes, “you have to take steps to show that you were raped…And I’d think you’d be able to prove that.”

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:09 PM

8. Especially since most rapes go unreported,

and there are thousands of untested rape kits. Backdoor ban, no doubt about it.

Might as well pass some abortion clinic regulations that say a unicorn or a centaur must be employed as a security guard.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:27 PM

17. I read that the woman has to pay for the hospital exam.

It's something like $1,000. Lots of women can't afford this so they just don't do it.

I don't have figures on where this may true.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:06 PM

6. Mr. Brittan: Go pack to your RW pulpit, you wanna-be Theocrat!

 

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:07 PM

7. So Daddy has to sign except for legitimate rape? At least three of the abortions I know about were

incest. And it was Daddy who took them to get their abortions and paid for them.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:25 PM

16. it's father of the child not the woman's daddy

 

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Response to belzabubba333 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:23 PM

30. In some cases the woman's daddy is her child's father. nt

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Response to historylovr (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:10 AM

40. Exactly.

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Response to historylovr (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 12:36 PM

41. In cases like that, the provider

needs to contact the police and have the father arrested for molestation.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:53 AM

32. A horrendous flip side is daddy forcing the girl to have an abortion

Or, if daddy admits to fatherhood in order for her to have the abortion, is he then subject to prosecution? On the other hand if the girl has the baby she delivers evidence of daddy's crime. How angry might daddy be about this catch 22?

They simply don't care what kind of danger she could be in.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:10 PM

9. What a stupid bill. I hope it doesn't pass.

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Response to Louisiana1976 (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:22 PM

13. That has to be rural Missouri. n/t

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:22 PM

12. I hope this passes. Here's why:

It will be challenged, legally.

And overturned.

The state will appeal.

I eventually want the Supreme Court to have to deal with a crappily-written attempt to deprive women of control over their own bodies, because with something this badly-written, they'd have no choice but to overturn it, and there's a precedent.

With that asshole Roberts' name on it.

vindictively,
Bright

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:37 PM

18. Vague and also undue burden

What if she's had multiple partners and doesn't know who the father is?

What if she got pregnant during a one night stand and the father is long gone?

What if the father doesn't provide consent? She's forced to take a pregnancy to full term because some schmuck is being an asshole?

Women don't get pregnant. Men get women pregnant. "Don't worry, baby, I'll pull out in time." "Don't worry, baby, I've had a vasectomy."

Women in some cases don't have full control over whether or not they get pregnant. So, they should have absolute control over whether or not they bring a pregnancy to term.

Activist anti-abortionists are pure, nauseating assholes. I can respect the pro-life perspective to the extent that - if you're opposed to abortion, then don't have one. And impart that as a personal, moral value throughout your family.

But when you reach out into the statutory space that affects all of society's ability to control every aspect of their own family planning - up to and including the RIGHT to terminate an unwanted pregnancy - then you're an imperialistic, arrogant, hypocritical, selfish, pompous, holier-than-thou asshat.

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Response to SpankMe (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:57 AM

33. Another intersection with PLers

No woman\girl should be forced to have an abortion. The parental and daddy signature policies set up that flip side potential.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:06 PM

21. In Todd Akin's home state. nt

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:18 PM

22. consent or pay child support

RIght? Genetic testing can easily establish parenthood. Non consenting genetic fathers should owe child support. So, it's up to the father to make sure that the woman does not get pregnant. Or am I reading this wrong?

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:26 PM

23. Has anybody seen a legal definition of ,,,

Legitimate Rape?

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:51 PM

25. Broken bones and black eyes, by a stranger. And even then...

....the woman has to show she was not dressing provocatively or walking down a dark street, or having an alcoholic beverage in a bar.

I remember those days.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:18 AM

46. First I ever heard of it was an attempt to separate

statutory rape from "legitimate rape."

It was a backlash against 17 year olds getting labeled sex offenders for life for having sex with their 15 year old girlfriends. Since Todd Akin, it's now considered ridiculous, so it doesn't matter what the original thinking behind it was.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:48 PM

24. ......Because women are chattel . Makes sense that we can't decide these matters ourselves.

Rick Brattin, the Taliban is on the line for you!

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:18 PM

29. Casey v Planned Parenthood

This was the abortion restrictions attempted in PA by the late Gov. Casey (father of Sen. Bob Casey) in 1992 that went to SCOTUS and gave us the "undue burden" standard. One part of the law that was thrown out was a requirement that a married woman have her husband's permission. Even 22 years ago most people said "what century are we in again?!" to that one.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:00 AM

34. And here we are in a later millennium

and it just keeps getting worse.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:43 AM

35. At least there's legal precedence

In Casey, SCOTUS allowed parental notification to stand, reasoning that a parent had rights over their minor child, but threw out the husband-notification part on grounds of 1 adult having no authority over another. Of course given today's reactionary and misogynistic Court, who knows.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:56 AM

31. Brattin is an evil, misogynistic douchebag.

Even if conceived in a happy marriage, it is the woman's body and HER business.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:03 AM

36. I will stand outside abortion clinics signing docs saying I'm the father

 

After all, they arnt going to do a paternity test.

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Response to Taitertots (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:06 PM

45. For you:

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:17 AM

37. Has anyone questioned if this guy

is a legitimate legislator? Oh to be a TV interviewer of him!

"Sir, there is some question being brought up as to whether you have a legitimate brain between your ears. Care to comment on this supposition?"

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:50 AM

38. More proof that there **IS** a difference between Democrats and Republicans.

 

Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:57 AM

39. Excuse me but how will they determine who is the father of the fetus?

Not without an amniocentesis. Yeah that's a marvelous idea.

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Response to christx30 (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:42 PM

42. wow - he's sayin that he had to get spouse's signature to get vasectomy

 

Brattin says that a vasectomy procedure he had himself is part of the inspiration for the bill.

“When a man goes in for that procedure—at least in the state of Missouri—you have to have a consent form from your spouse in order to have that procedure done,” he told MoJo. “Here I was getting a normal procedure that has nothing to do with another human being’s life, and I needed to get a signed form … But on ending a life, you don’t. I think that’s pretty twisted.”

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:00 PM

44. He had a vasectomy -

he's a sperm killer.

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