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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:22 PM

Jameis Winston did not violate code

Source: ESPN

Attorney David Cornwell confirmed to ESPN's Joe Schad that Florida State Seminoles quarterback Jameis Winston was ruled to have not violated university conduct code.

A woman had accused Winston of sexually assaulting a former FSU student in his off-campus apartment in December 2012.

During the conduct hearing held earlier this December, Winston declined to answer questions about whether he sexually assaulted the woman, but did read a five-page statement in which he detailed his account of the events on the night of Dec. 7, 2012 and declared his innocence.

At the hearing, Winston repeatedly declined to answer questions from Major Harding, a former Florida State Supreme Court Chief Justice who oversaw the case, and during cross-examination by his accuser, according to people familiar with the case.

Read more: http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls14/story/_/id/12062132/jameis-winston-florida-state-seminoles-did-not-violate-school-code

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Calista241 Dec 2014 OP
tularetom Dec 2014 #1
lexington filly Dec 2014 #2
secondvariety Dec 2014 #3
Suich Dec 2014 #4
Baclava Dec 2014 #5
THECHOSEN1 Dec 2014 #7
Darb Dec 2014 #9
Shrike47 Dec 2014 #6
flpoljunkie Dec 2014 #8
TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #10
Calista241 Dec 2014 #11
TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #12
Grins Dec 2014 #13
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TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #14
neohippie Dec 2014 #15
Calista241 Dec 2014 #17
madville Dec 2014 #16

Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:28 PM

1. Of course he didn't

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:19 PM

2. It's apparent girls & women need to wear personal body cameras

at all times because all a guy needs to do is scream, "Consensual sex!!!"

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:54 PM

3. FSU

has a conduct code? Must not be much of a code.

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Response to secondvariety (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:57 PM

4. LOL!

I had the same thought!

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:23 PM

5. Go Ducks



they'll kick his ass

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Response to Baclava (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:54 PM

7. I doubt that

 

Oregon will win but it won't be due to they getting to Winston. The Pac 12 does not play defense like the south. Oregon will just outscore them because FSU's defense is just as bad as Oregons.

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Response to THECHOSEN1 (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:44 PM

9. No, it's not as bad.

 

Oregon"s D is 102nd in the nation.

Pick FSU and take the 9 points.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:28 PM

6. Of course he didn't, at least not the special football players code, and that's the important one.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:37 PM

8. Major Harding is a well respected former Supreme Court judge with no ties to FSU

In a letter to Winston which was obtained by USA TODAY Sports, Harding wrote, "This was a complex case, and I worked hard to make sure both parties had a full and fair opportunity to present information. In sum, the preponderance of the evidence has not shown that you are responsible for any of the charge violations of the Code. Namely, I find that the evidence before me is insufficient to satisfy the burden of proof."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/12/21/jameis-winston-florida-state-code-of-conduct-sexual-assault-allegation/20735355/

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:04 AM

10. Part of Winston's statement

"Winston did submit a lengthy statement during his hearing earlier this month detailing his version of events.

"At some point they will be held accountable, so I have determined that it is in my best interests to exercise my right pursuant to Rule 6C2R-3.004 (6)(d)of the Florida State University Student Code of Conduct and answer questions when experienced lawyers and other experts can assist me in confronting [the accuser's] false accusation and when [the accuser] is subject to the penalty of perjury and other claims for [the accuser] falsely accusing me of rape," Winston said in the statement."

I haven't closely followed the case, but until these cases are handled in or like a regular criminal case, I don't think victims or alleged perps will get real justice.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:53 AM

11. Justice, both for victims and perpetrators, is the responsibility of the criminal justice system.

And not FSU's, or any other institution's, job to dole out.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:02 AM

12. I totally agree

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:30 AM

13. This is a wortless story

Who cares what happened at a university in an internal hearing? He didn't violate the university conduct code? Srsly? That's an issue? For whom?

What matters is what a judge and jury say, not the CYA paid hacks that run that horrid institution. "Winston repeatedly declined to answer questions from Major Harding, a former Florida State Supreme Court Chief Justice," should have been the headline.

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Response to Grins (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:57 AM

14. ?

"At some point they will be held accountable, so I have determined that it is in my best interests to exercise my right pursuant to Rule 6C2R-3.004 (6)(d)of the Florida State University Student Code of Conduct and answer questions when experienced lawyers and other experts can assist me in confronting false accusation and when is subject to the penalty of perjury and other claims for falsely accusing me of rape," Winston said in the statement."

There is absolutely no upside to a defendant speaking under such circumstances, especially when there is no preponderance of evidence for guilt, which is a lower standard than in a real court of law.

Adjudication belongs to a court of law - not some questionable, quasi-judicial setting where "violation of school code" is actually a pretend rape conviction.

This is a bad, bad way to determine justice for rape victims and their alleged rapists.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:57 PM

15. The police did an investigation there wasn't enough evidence

The local police did look into this two years ago, there was not enough evidence then to go further but the media wrote about the story for two years. The local prosecutor looked into the investigation, and thought about charging the accuser because her story changed four times and there was reason to believe that her account was false, but the media kept pushing the story because controversy sells.

The university wanted to investigate two years ago but the accuser, stalled them and wanted time so this hearing was delayed.

Everyone is against rape and is aware of the rape culture and issues between athletes and their girlfriends, and spouses and this is an emotional topic that many people react to often without all of the facts. The facts in this case show that there is not enough evidence to go forward, yet people are convinced that this young man is guilty, even though there isn't enough evidence to prove that.

Isn't everyone innocent until proven guilty? I realize that my opinion isn't going to be popular here but this young man has been through years of scrutiny about these charges, at what point do people believe that there is just as much chance that he is not guilty as they are convinced that he is guilty without the facts to back up that assertion?

I am tired of seeing the reputation of the accused and my university, and the local police department, the State Attorney's office etc... smeared as if there is some kind of massive cover up just to protect the quarterback. At the time that these charges were originally made Jameis Winston, wasn't the superstar that he is today. Why is it so hard to believe after story after story of the media convicting people of things that later we find out they are just not guilty of when more facts are released.

Are there problems with our justice system certainly, but for the most part it works if you allow it to and you don't allow others to twist it into being used in ways it is not meant to like the perversion of the grand jury system. But there are a lot of reasons to believe that Winston is not guilty of this accusation, however some people will never believe the facts of a situation when they have already made up their minds about what they choose to believe.

Is Winston a young man with a lot to learn about being a leader and setting a good example sure but is he the thug that he has been painted to be by the media and all of the rabid college football fans who root for other schools and bleed hatred for the opposition, is it so hard to believe after cases like the Duke Lacrosse case, or so many other that the accuser could be crying wolf?

I don't see why so many of you are convinced otherwise? I have followed this case closely as an alumni of the college and a sports fan, I would hope that if Winston were guilty that he would be punished, but I also know that he also deserves a chance to defend himself from charges, any of us could be falsely charged with any crime, and I would hope that we would deserve a chance to defend ourselves and be believed in any case

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Response to neohippie (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:20 PM

17. Winston was a nobody recruit when this incident happened.

It was widely believed that Jacob Coker would be the 1st string QB at FSU.

FSU would have dropped Winston in a heartbeat if there'd been any legs to this story back when it happened.

This only became an issue later when FSU was undefeated and Winston was a Heisman front runner.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:27 PM

16. The accuser's first attorney really botched this

The accuser's first attorney was a complete idiot to send an email to Winston's attorney offering to "make this go away" for the sum of $7,000,000. That set an uphill battle from that point forward to prove it was about justice and not money.

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