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Omaha Steve

(99,632 posts)
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:34 PM Dec 2014

Italy saves 970 migrants abandoned by smugglers

Source: AP-Excite

By FRANCES D'EMILIO

ROME (AP) — The Italian Coast Guard rescued 970 migrants Wednesday after smugglers put their cargo ship on automatic pilot heading straight for a crash into the Italian coast and abandoned the command.

The Coast Guard officials said the migrants, most believed to be Syrians and including many children and pregnant women, arrived safely in Gallipoli, in Italy's southeastern Puglia region, before dawn Wednesday. More than 100 migrants were treated for hypothermia.

"It was a race against time," said Coast Guard Cmdr. Filippo Marini. "The ship was only a few (nautical) miles away from the coast of Puglia" on Tuesday night when six Coast Guard officials were lowered by helicopter onto the bridge of the Moldovan-flagged Blue Sky M to try to correct the ship's course.

Marini said the smugglers apparently had left the engine blocked on automatic pilot at a speed of 6 knots (nearly 7 mph) into the coast.

FULL story at link.



The Moldovan-flagged Blue Sky M carrying hundreds of migrants arrives at the southern Italian port of Gallipoli, some 170 kilometers (108 miles) south of Bari, Italy, Wednesday, Dec. 31, 2014. Italian authorities took control Tuesday of a cargo ship carrying hundreds of migrants after the crew disappeared and set it on a programmed route to crash into a coast, officials said. The alarm was first raised about the Blue Sky M after a passenger sent a distress call earlier Tuesday when the ship was off Greece. The operation came two days after a Greek-operated ferry caught fire between Greece and Italy with the loss of at least 11 lives, prompting a two-day search and rescue effort. (AP Photo/ Ivan Tortorella)

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20141231/eu--italy-abandoned_migrants-5f34a95cf0.html

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Italy saves 970 migrants abandoned by smugglers (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2014 OP
To say their navy/coast guard's been working its ass off would be a huge understatement Posteritatis Dec 2014 #1
Ironically, the Italians are starting to debate Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #11
"derelict" ships with passengers fleeing "persecution", like "rape", "murder", closeupready Jan 2015 #15
this is the piece I was referring to: Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #17
Do you have a larger point, though, is my real question here? closeupready Jan 2015 #18
My larger point is while taking in the refugees is admirable, Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #19
Taking in refugees is admirable AND obligatory. closeupready Jan 2015 #20
where do mercuryblues Dec 2014 #2
ports and harbors and routes between have thousands of transport 'ships' Sunlei Dec 2014 #5
Smallish, end-of-life ships can be astonishingly cheap Posteritatis Dec 2014 #6
Will the Italians block the roads used by the Italian Coast Guard... krispos42 Dec 2014 #3
If any Italians do that, they will undoubtedly be Italian "republicans". pampango Jan 2015 #14
Bravo to Italys' Navy and Coast Guard! Sunlei Dec 2014 #4
Is this the new old way of dumping unwanted peoples off ffr Dec 2014 #7
All the smugglers would care about is their initial boarding fees Posteritatis Jan 2015 #9
You realize it is the refugees themselves, not "their country", that pay the smuggler fees? pampango Jan 2015 #13
So the cargo is migrants who pay smugglers to illegaly transport them via ship to a safe state. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #8
some smugglers have no intention of even trying to get migrants to the other countries JI7 Jan 2015 #12
Hardly surprising though Nihil Jan 2015 #16
At some point, the whole world wll have to deal with this )nt) question everything Jan 2015 #10

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
1. To say their navy/coast guard's been working its ass off would be a huge understatement
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:46 PM
Dec 2014

Say what you will about immigration/refugee policies and public attitudes for a lot of the Mediterranean countries in general, but Italy's navy and coast guard have saved tens of thousands of lives written off by the smugglers in the last several years alone.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. Ironically, the Italians are starting to debate
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:29 AM
Jan 2015

whether they should curtail their naval rescue operations to territorial waters only (heard on the BBC)...While they should be lauded for their bravery and efforts in saving lives, it's plainly obvious that this is only going to encourage more "derelict" ships that nobody else wants to "rescue"

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
15. "derelict" ships with passengers fleeing "persecution", like "rape", "murder",
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:01 AM
Jan 2015

and "genocide". Civilized countries are beacons of refuge BECAUSE they value human life.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. this is the piece I was referring to:
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30660777

You realize that had the crew stayed the Italians wouldn't have let them dock at any port, right? The crew knew that by jumping ship they were pretty much 'forcing' the italians to take them in...
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
18. Do you have a larger point, though, is my real question here?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jan 2015

I don't want to seem hostile or accusatory, but on other boards, I'd presume your line of questioning implies that your bottom line is that you oppose granting asylum to refugees, or that if it must be done, it should be done as parsimoniously as possible, so as to make their lives difficult, and thus, discourage others back home from .... fleeing persecution and genocide.

I know you can't subscribe to that idea, so if you could explain your point better, I would be grateful. Thanks!

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. My larger point is while taking in the refugees is admirable,
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jan 2015
is there a "breaking point" where the Italians say "no more"? And if so, where exactly is that breaking point?
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. Taking in refugees is admirable AND obligatory.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jan 2015

To draw an imperfect analogy, providing refuge is akin to paying workers a living wage - it is a practice founded on a set of values which serve to guide humanity and societies.

We've seen in the US over the last 30 years (or perhaps more) the erosion of the middle class due to greed - greed is insidious for a lot of reasons, but one of them is that by definition there are no limits to the acquisition of wealth; thus, for example, workers from year to year get a marginally cheaper health insurance that raises the cost to workers, and this is done for no other reason than to improve profits. So it is with raises - they don't keep pace with real inflation. Bonuses get reduced.

Anyway, getting back to your question, people fleeing persecution and finding a place of refuge must never be put back in harm's way. It applies to every last legitimate refugee, forever.

Did you ever see "Voyage of the Damned"?

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
6. Smallish, end-of-life ships can be astonishingly cheap
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:21 PM
Dec 2014

Think five digits rather than seven or eight (or freebies in the case of abandoned ones).

Especially if you're only planning on using them once.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
3. Will the Italians block the roads used by the Italian Coast Guard...
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:57 PM
Dec 2014

...to transport the rescuees to another facility?

I doubt it. Which makes them a thousand times better than Republicans.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. If any Italians do that, they will undoubtedly be Italian "republicans".
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:37 AM
Jan 2015

Their far-right, as in practically every country, is not just anti-immigrant but anti-refugee and, in Europe especially, anti-Muslim.

I agree. It is doubtful that Italians will do what republicans have done here.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
4. Bravo to Italys' Navy and Coast Guard!
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:05 PM
Dec 2014


Hope our trillion dollar "HomeLand Security" pays attention to how EASY it is to get a large container ship and pre-program it to crash into land.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
7. Is this the new old way of dumping unwanted peoples off
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

on sympathetic countries? Sure, load up a junky boat with as many as you can and send them adrift. If they sink, oh well. If the boat runs aground somewhere else, perfect! The outcome doesn't matter, so long as they don't come back.

"most believed to be Syrians and including many children and pregnant women, arrived safely in Gallipoli, in Italy's southeastern Puglia region..."

Must be these people were more of a financial drag on their country moreso than the cost of the boat. Now they're Italy's problem to deal with.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
9. All the smugglers would care about is their initial boarding fees
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jan 2015

Everything else is just a cost to them - including recovering the ship in cases like these.

There's no social/political agendas on top of that, generally - just get what money they can and then on to the next batch.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. You realize it is the refugees themselves, not "their country", that pay the smuggler fees?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 06:34 AM
Jan 2015
Must be these people were more of a financial drag on their country moreso than the cost of the boat. Now they're Italy's problem to deal with.

That sounds like a national government made a financial decision to pay smugglers to transport refugees. If you have evidence of that it would be a really good read. Please post.

I seriously doubt that people living in refugee resettlement camps are paying smugglers to take them to Europe in order to help the country they have taken refuge in. They have much bigger and more immediate concerns.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
8. So the cargo is migrants who pay smugglers to illegaly transport them via ship to a safe state.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jan 2015

If the smugglers are spotted by officials they leave or blend in with passengers to avoid detection. Kudos to the brave and effective Italian naval authorities involved in these human rescue efforts. Another recent foreign news report I saw covered ME and N. African migrants waiting in northern France for transport to Britain that's not going well because of conflicts between authorities.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
12. some smugglers have no intention of even trying to get migrants to the other countries
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 05:25 AM
Jan 2015

they just want the money and once they get that they leave.

similar happens with migrants who try to come to the US from the southern borders.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
16. Hardly surprising though
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jan 2015

> Another recent foreign news report I saw covered ME and N. African migrants
> waiting in northern France for transport to Britain that's not going well because
> of conflicts between authorities.

Britain doesn't want even more jobless, illiterate & uneducated people than they
already possess (in abundance) and France is pissed off at having to feed & house
them in the meantime.

(France didn't used to care as long as the open door into their country matched
the open door through to Britain but now they are feeling the same way about the
"upstream" countries like Italy - happy to be a stepping stone but definitely not
wanting to be the new host.)

In the middle you find the scum who take money from desperate people then
just dump them somewhere.


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