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1step

(380 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:31 AM Jan 2015

Woman's death in police custody ruled a homicide

Source: USA Today

Tom Beres, WKYC-TV, Cleveland 10:52 p.m. EST January 2, 2015

http://bcove.me/0gau2swd

CLEVELAND — The Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office has classified the November death of a 37-year-old woman who was in police custody as a homicide.

Tanisha Anderson died Nov. 12 at hospital after being handcuffed, taken into custody by Cleveland police and then losing consciousness while having a mental-health episode.

Relatives said the 37-year-old was schizophrenic, and they claimed an officer used excessive force.

According to the medical examiner, Anderson's death was caused by a "sudden death associated with physical restraint" in a lying face-down position. The medical examiner also cited her heart disease and bipolar disorder.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/02/womans-death-in-police-custody-ruled-a-homicide/21218595/



KKKleveland again!
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Woman's death in police custody ruled a homicide (Original Post) 1step Jan 2015 OP
Sounds more like a lack of training on how to deal with the mentally ill by the police cstanleytech Jan 2015 #1
Riiiiiiight 1step Jan 2015 #2
Did you even read the article? cstanleytech Jan 2015 #3
Yes, you certainly gleaned every crumb Feral Child Jan 2015 #6
Could be both Kalidurga Jan 2015 #4
Sure it could be but its more likely that the police lack the proper training to deal cstanleytech Jan 2015 #11
Yes, it must be very difficult to restrain ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2015 #18
First being handcuffed doesnt mean a person cannot move or resist. cstanleytech Jan 2015 #20
The "lack of training" excuse no longer rings true. crim son Jan 2015 #27
Its not an excuse its a fact. Most police dont have the training, they should but they dont and cstanleytech Jan 2015 #28
Keep slapping on the "white-wash". Feral Child Jan 2015 #5
and, whether heaven05 Jan 2015 #7
Some people come here to widen their world. Feral Child Jan 2015 #9
Negative, I never said that there was not "a" problem with racism just that in this case cstanleytech Jan 2015 #12
"Negative"? Feral Child Jan 2015 #13
Actually the mentally ill in this country dont get a pass regardless of color cstanleytech Jan 2015 #16
Well, now, a "compassionate warning" Feral Child Jan 2015 #17
Nope never been a police officer and to be honest I probably couldnt handle the job cstanleytech Jan 2015 #19
So, you deny the incident in TN occurred? Feral Child Jan 2015 #21
Or there is another option............................. cstanleytech Jan 2015 #22
Well, do 'splain it to me then. Feral Child Jan 2015 #23
At least, it gets news coverage Demeter Jan 2015 #8
Serious question, how does being bipolar contribute to someone's death? Sivafae Jan 2015 #10
If you are bipolar there is a strong likelihood that... Kalidurga Jan 2015 #14
That was the only thing I could come up with too. nt Sivafae Jan 2015 #25
"Sudden death associated with physical restraint?" nilesobek Jan 2015 #15
Selective 'news' designed to maximize fear and anxiety. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #24
Cleveland police under investigation by U.S. Justice Department JonLP24 Jan 2015 #26
Thats good news atleast though alot more departments should be investigated as well cstanleytech Jan 2015 #29
Will a grand jury acquit again? sakabatou Jan 2015 #30

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
1. Sounds more like a lack of training on how to deal with the mentally ill by the police
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:38 AM
Jan 2015

rather than the color of her skin like you are trying to imply with the "KKKleveland" but better luck next time.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
3. Did you even read the article?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jan 2015

"Anderson's family has raised questions about the Cleveland department's policy when dealing with people who have a mental illness. They have demanded a thorough criminal investigation and an independent prosecutor."

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
6. Yes, you certainly gleaned every crumb
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jan 2015

to divert discussion away from racist cops. It's your MO. Racism just doesn't exist, does it?

Just "those" people trying to get attention...

Your screen name should be "Cellophane".

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
11. Sure it could be but its more likely that the police lack the proper training to deal
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jan 2015

with the mentally ill just like most other police departments in this country.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
20. First being handcuffed doesnt mean a person cannot move or resist.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jan 2015

Second I think that handcuffing the person was the wrong choice as they should have just backed off and let the person cooldown because the mentally ill sometimes just need time to cooldown and yes I speak from experience here as my younger brother is mentally ill and he doesnt respond well to force so we have learned to give him time to cooldown because when he is agitated there is just no reasoning with him.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
28. Its not an excuse its a fact. Most police dont have the training, they should but they dont and
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jan 2015

its well documented and as we have seen because of that people are being injured and in some cases like this killed.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
5. Keep slapping on the "white-wash".
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jan 2015

You keep denying there's a race problem with the police everywhere, but minority people keep dying.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
7. and, whether
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jan 2015

people like the one you're responding to ever realize it, multitudes out here know that police brutality is on the upswing, ESPECIALLY, against minorities. Let them TRY to divert and distract, it really is all they have in their bag of tricks. Never going to smother the truth. Hope the New Year will be a good one for us all, yet.........

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
9. Some people come here to widen their world.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jan 2015

Some only come here to try to tear ours down.


People like this are miserable and ugly, he really should find a better use for his time.

Have a great New Year, h05!

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
12. Negative, I never said that there was not "a" problem with racism just that in this case
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jan 2015

it sounds more likely that a mentally ill person was not handled properly because the police probably lack the proper training, in fact most of the departments in this country lack such training.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
13. "Negative"?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jan 2015

How interesting.

I know you guys like to pretend to be "fair & balanced", but you're not fooling anyone.

It actually sounds like a bully or bullies took out their frustration on a handicapped PoC. The "mentally ill" only get a pass if they're white and middle-class. Like that white lady in TN that took it upon herself to spray the neighborhood with pistol-fire, then was allowed to cruise merrily down the highway continuing to pepper the rest of the public with gunfire, apparently till her ammunition ran out..

A white middle-class mental-patient survived to enjoy the treatment her insurance affords her, a black mental-case got "subdued". The justice system in the Land of the Free, for those that can afford it.

They have training, they just don't give a fuck. I'm absolutely certain there isn't a police academy in this country that doesn't have classes in psychology and handling mentally ill persons. The problems that plague our law enforcement establishment go far beyond inadequate training.

The badge is attractive to the emotionally unbalanced, the intellectually inadequate, the otherwise unemployable. That's how governments get security for the upper-classes on the cheap. Cops are uniformly "conservatives", and like most lower-class conservatives they're racist bullies, lazy and arrogant. And obsessed with firearms.

Reagan slashed budgets for mental-health care for the lower classes, leaving it a problem for the police. Cops are unsympathetic brutes that deal with these handicapped unfortunates with brute force, beating them into submission. Sometimes they overdo it and "subdue" them to death. Especially when they belong to a separate class of humans they consider sub-human to begin with.

Not to worry, though. They have folks like you to cover for them.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
16. Actually the mentally ill in this country dont get a pass regardless of color
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:48 AM
Jan 2015

unless they are rich as there are few ways people without money who are mentally ill can seek treatment.

Edit: Also just a word of advice if you keep with the personal attacks on people here on the DU you risk potentially meeting the mirt team one day down the road.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
17. Well, now, a "compassionate warning"
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 09:46 AM
Jan 2015

How 'Fair & Balanced" of you. But, more on that later.

For now, I'd like to return to your little misstep: "Negative" as a response to a statement is as rare in public parlance as virginity (of either gender) surviving Prom Night.

It is, however, so common amongst policemen as to be jargonistic. Now, I hate a cliche nearly as much as I detest the intrusion of a greedy, grasping Republic in polite company, still, your use of jargon is positively Freudian in its glaring obviousness.

Are you, perhaps, a police man here in the vain attempt to rescue the reputation of your fellow Peace Officers with tired old "logic"? Repetitively, redundantly I have to remark that I'm fascinated.

As to your deflection, try to be a bit more honest. The role of "Class Warrior" denouncing the wealthy rings hollow from you.
The white middle class are given considerable leeway from the police when they have their "nervous breakdown" episodes and shoot up the neighborhood. They're a protected class, so they're gently taken into custody, even when they are a threat to the police themselves, and are transferred to a mental health clinic paid for by their insurance. Poc aren't afforded that courtesy. It's assumed by the police that they're dangerous animals, to be executed without trial or forcibly subdued. Per my examples contrasting the death whilst in custody of this black woman and the escort they provided to the nice white lady, refusing to return fire even when her dangerous escapade left her neighborhood and proceeded down the highway like a bullet-spewing parade.

I've given concrete examples of the disparity, you dismiss them with a specious condemnation of the rich, perhaps because you think it makes you look "progressive". It doesn't. It's as realistic as the Commedia dell’arte.

Reminiscent of Scaramuccia, or more properly, Il Capitano.

Now, back to that Cautionary Edit: Clearly you've been too fixated on remembering your talking points and delivering them in a "Fair & Balanced" fashion to understand the workings of the progressive site. "MIRT" is the Malicious Intruder Removal Team. Their aegis is restricted to the clumsy and crude Intruders that burst their way in here, with figurative six-guns blazing outre Conservative Crap in all directions in their puerile need to be heard. They generally restrict themselves to low post-count moronic 'Wingers, many of them bristling with recidivism. I've survived their initial appraisal because my posts, though sometimes a bit acidic when directed at non-progressive POVs, are genuinely progressive and quite reasoned when exchanging progressive values with my fellow DUers. No, I have little to fear from MIRT.

Trolls, on the other hand, are a different demon entirely. They must, in order to survive, be judicious in the use of the poisoned pen, lest they be short-lived disruptors that join the ranks of the Malicious Intruder. They pretend, in an oh-so "Fair & Balanced" way, to be reasonable cautionary folk interested in Opposing Viewpoints. Ironically, they have to be so discrete they fail to get their misguided message across. It's a quandary: if they're too obvious they get banned, if they're too cautious they merely waste their energies.

I could be vulnerable to serial-Alerts from these people, but there's danger to a troll in that approach. All Alerts are reviewed by Admin, and they don't just look for the verbose and abrasive. No, they also look for frivolous alerts because they've been dealing with Republican trolls for years.

Thus, I would myself caution any trolls that might consider Alert Attacks that they risk disclosing themselves, becoming visible and noticed with that tactic.

If your sensibilities are miffed by that which you call "personal attacks" but others might consider honest appraisal then feel free to Alert. You might get lucky and an empaneled jury might include police-apologists and those who make excuses for Institutionalized Racism in the American "Justice System". Such might find silencing my criticisms to be beneficial to them and would therefore nullify the virtue of our jury system.

At any rate, it won't change my life substantially. If Admin decides I'm too enthusiastic, they might give me a "time out" or even ban me, in which case I'd go bake some cookies, or pet one of my cats, or write some poetry. The threat of Banishment only frighten trolls, because they have nothing left but slinking back to their dank and foetid lairs, to the amusement and ridicule of the other conservative denizens.

So, do what you feel compelled to do. Your threat disguised as concern and caution isn't all that scary.





cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
19. Nope never been a police officer and to be honest I probably couldnt handle the job
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jan 2015

for a variety of reasons and the the main one being I admit to being biased against most of them but I try not to let that bias rule me when it comes to facts.
Fact is in this case we had a mentally ill person and the fact is most police departments actually do not have the training in this country on how to deal with the mentally ill.
Those are actual facts, they arent something that cannot be disputed except by someone who either has an agenda or who is in deep denial.

As for my so called "threat" as you liked to call it, feel free to keep pushing and when it happens (which I suspect it will eventually) it will be your own fault.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
21. So, you deny the incident in TN occurred?
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jan 2015

Or you deny that an actual discrepancy in treatment is significant because your psychic hotline provides more substantial but completed unsupported "facts", which just coincidentally serve to deny institutionalized racism?

And as to the actual and real but impotent threat that you're so disingenuously denying I'll repeat: If I've broken posting protocol with my "personal attacks" you can alert on them. Otherwise you can keep your unsolicited advice to yourself.



Sivafae

(480 posts)
10. Serious question, how does being bipolar contribute to someone's death?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jan 2015

What does that mean physiologically?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
14. If you are bipolar there is a strong likelihood that...
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jan 2015

at some point the neighbors are going to call the police.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
15. "Sudden death associated with physical restraint?"
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 11:31 PM
Jan 2015

"Losing consciousness?" "Mental health episode?"

They sure do have a lot of euphemisms for choking someone down and murdering them these days.

 

NightOwwl

(5,453 posts)
24. Selective 'news' designed to maximize fear and anxiety.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jan 2015

Targeted to a specific audience. The left gets 'news' about cops in violent situations, gun nuts, religious wackos; the right gets 'news' about blacks in violent situations, scary immigrants, socialism.

Your corrupt government has the media working 24/7 to keep the country divided. It's the oldest story in the book. Democratic voters hate and fear Republican voters. Republican voters hate and fear Democratic voters. Neither have any power, neither have any say when it comes to policy making, yet the fingers are pointed at each other - cop killer! racist! nutcase! socialist!

Meanwhile, the party of power (the one true party) implements policies benefiting the powerful and wealthy. We are just pawns in the government's power games. Working as intended - unless you decide not to play. You don't have to, you know. They are not your authority, and you are not beholden to them.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
26. Cleveland police under investigation by U.S. Justice Department
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jan 2015

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The U.S. Justice Department this morning announced a civil-rights investigation into possible misconduct by Cleveland police.

The sweeping probe will examine the police department's policies and practices and will specifically explore whether officers routinely use excessive force, officials said at a news conference.

"The road ahead will be difficult," said U.S. Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez. "This work is not easy, but this independent review is critical to ensuring and preserving trust between a police department and the community it serves." (Read the full statement by Perez in the document viewer below)

In making the announcement, Perez appeared with U.S. Attorney Steven Dettelbach, Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson, city police Chief Michael McGrath and city Safety Director Martin Flask.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/03/cleveland_police_under_investigation_by.html

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
29. Thats good news atleast though alot more departments should be investigated as well
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:09 AM
Jan 2015

but hopefully they can clean then up some and maybe finally get the police to implement better training for the mentally ill and disabled because there is imo no good reason why the police shouldnt have had that training decades ago.

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