Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:21 AM
7962 (11,841 posts)
Francis is officially the most popular Pope as six million turn out for record-breaking mass in Mani
Source: TelegraphUK
Pope's open air mass sets world record for papal gathering, surpassing the 5 million record set by St. John Paul II at the same park in 1995 Six million people turned out to see Pope Francis celebrate mass in the Philippine capital Sunday, making it a world record crowd for a papal gathering. Pope Francis ended his Asian pilgrimage Sunday with an appeal for the future of the Catholic Church, urging rain-soaked Filipinos to protect their young from sin and vice so they can instead become missionaries of the faith. He made the appeal personal by embracing a 12-year-old rescued street child who wept in his arms over the plight of children abandoned by their families and forced into prostitution and drug use. Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11353460/Francis-is-officially-the-most-popular-Pope-as-six-million-turn-out-for-record-breaking-mass-in-Manila.html
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7962 | Jan 2015 | OP |
underpants | Jan 2015 | #1 | |
Jesus Malverde | Jan 2015 | #7 | |
belzabubba333 | Jan 2015 | #2 | |
Jesus Malverde | Jan 2015 | #8 | |
monmouth4 | Jan 2015 | #3 | |
mountain grammy | Jan 2015 | #4 | |
zeemike | Jan 2015 | #19 | |
J_J_ | Jan 2015 | #24 | |
zeemike | Jan 2015 | #26 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #5 | |
Jesus Malverde | Jan 2015 | #6 | |
Arugula Latte | Jan 2015 | #31 | |
MrMickeysMom | Jan 2015 | #36 | |
Fred Sanders | Jan 2015 | #9 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #10 | |
ucrdem | Jan 2015 | #11 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #12 | |
ucrdem | Jan 2015 | #13 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #15 | |
ucrdem | Jan 2015 | #17 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #18 | |
7962 | Jan 2015 | #37 | |
Humanist_Activist | Jan 2015 | #47 | |
7962 | Jan 2015 | #49 | |
Humanist_Activist | Jan 2015 | #51 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #62 | |
7962 | Jan 2015 | #64 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #14 | |
ucrdem | Jan 2015 | #16 | |
zeemike | Jan 2015 | #25 | |
NYC Liberal | Jan 2015 | #22 | |
AZ Progressive | Jan 2015 | #27 | |
onehandle | Jan 2015 | #23 | |
Humanist_Activist | Jan 2015 | #29 | |
former9thward | Jan 2015 | #39 | |
Humanist_Activist | Jan 2015 | #41 | |
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former9thward | Jan 2015 | #48 | |
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Iggo | Jan 2015 | #28 | |
Arugula Latte | Jan 2015 | #32 | |
beam me up scottie | Jan 2015 | #38 | |
Orsino | Jan 2015 | #66 | |
Arugula Latte | Jan 2015 | #67 | |
1000words | Jan 2015 | #33 | |
jmowreader | Jan 2015 | #34 | |
Brigid | Jan 2015 | #35 | |
Bluenorthwest | Jan 2015 | #63 | |
skepticscott | Jan 2015 | #40 | |
blkmusclmachine | Jan 2015 | #43 | |
billhicks76 | Jan 2015 | #44 | |
GeorgeGist | Jan 2015 | #45 | |
Bradical79 | Jan 2015 | #50 | |
LiberalElite | Jan 2015 | #54 | |
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:25 AM
underpants (169,630 posts)
1. That's mani mani people
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Response to underpants (Reply #1)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jesus Malverde (10,274 posts)
7. LOLOL
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:31 AM
belzabubba333 (1,237 posts)
2. not good enough he's a monster until he meets these demands in 3...2.....1........
Response to belzabubba333 (Reply #2)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jesus Malverde (10,274 posts)
8. 3, 2, 1, 5
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:34 AM
monmouth4 (8,438 posts)
3. I'm not a great sleeper so I turned it on this a.m. around 3:00 a.m. It truly was wonderful and
very well organized. I thought communion would be a problem but they had priests all over the place to administer. Very nice and Pope Francis was a very happy and upbeat...
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:39 AM
mountain grammy (24,390 posts)
4. He's speaking to the people, no holds barred...
are you watching politicians??? Speak to the people!
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #4)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:06 PM
zeemike (18,998 posts)
19. Exactly the point I was thinking of.
Populism works.
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Response to zeemike (Reply #19)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:12 PM
J_J_ (1,213 posts)
24. Romney will lead the way to help the poor with his populism
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Response to J_J_ (Reply #24)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:23 PM
zeemike (18,998 posts)
26. No he will win the election with it he thinks.
And it could happen if the Democrats run a corporatist that does not speak to the people.
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:44 AM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
5. Pope Francis: Same-sex marriage ‘disfigures God’s plan for creation’
"Pope Francis has attacked same-sex marriage, saying those who support it are attempting “redefine the very institution of marriage”.
Speaking at a mass in Manila, Pope Francis made the comments, despite having recently appeared to be softening his stance on the issue of gay or lesbian couples marrying. He said: “The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage. These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation." http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/16/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-disfigures-gods-plan-for-creation/#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=54ba022f55ef2b36&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1 I picked a decidedly LGBT link to the story to balance the right wing nature of the Telegraph. And remember, it is religion that is under attack. Poor, poor believers, with those nasty gay atheists holding massive rallies where we denigrate them....oh wait, THEY hold the rallies and denigrate US? Well that's different. Hypocrisy is a Sacrament. |
Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jesus Malverde (10,274 posts)
6. He is certainly a breath of fresh air...
In an otherwise stale atmosphere of the status quo.
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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #6)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:55 PM
Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)
31. Do you still say that after reading post #5 above yours?
Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #6)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:47 PM
MrMickeysMom (20,453 posts)
36. He is more than that...
I'm not a practicing christian, certainly not catholic, but grew up with this religion.
He IS what we need today. See this article: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016111707 |
Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:36 AM
Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)
9. You may not agree with all things Pope and all things Obama, but you better have their backs....
because the fascists are waiting in the wings.
If only they could somehow control the Media, Congress, the Courts AND the WH and the omnipotent military machine that comes with it...how do you think that would go? 3 out of 4 ain't bad, but fascism requires it all. |
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:53 AM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
10. Francis is an anti gay bigot who opposes all forms of birth control and says women are not equal.
I do not 'have his back' and I consider him to be something of a fascist. I'm sure you are perfectly comfortable with his denigration of LGBT people, the insulting language, the intention offense, even though you spent days here claiming that anyone who feels insulted has a right to respond. You shouted hate speech at liberal cartoons, now you demand we support a man who speaks hate against me.
It's not the religions that are the problem. It's the hypocrisy. |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #10)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:58 AM
ucrdem (15,502 posts)
11. "a man who speaks hate against me"
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #11)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:05 PM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
12. Pope Francis: Same-sex marriage ‘disfigures God’s plan for creation’
"Pope Francis has attacked same-sex marriage, saying those who support it are attempting “redefine the very institution of marriage”.
Speaking at a mass in Manila, Pope Francis made the comments, despite having recently appeared to be softening his stance on the issue of gay or lesbian couples marrying. He said: “The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage. These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation.” http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/16/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-disfigures-gods-plan-for-creation/#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=54ba022f55ef2b36&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1 And it is 'cute' that you think I must agree with the Advocate because I'm gay. Can I assume you agree with Pat Robertson because you are Christian? Would that be fair, or really shitty? It's not the faith that sucks, it's the hypocrisy. |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #12)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:25 PM
ucrdem (15,502 posts)
13. Nobody's asking you to convert.
Trust me on this one.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #13)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:28 PM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
15. Answering questions and points made with snark is a sign of the very disrespect Francis promotes.
It's rude and dismissive.
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #15)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:30 PM
ucrdem (15,502 posts)
17. Just stating the obvious. nt
Response to ucrdem (Reply #17)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:59 PM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
18. So was I.
nt
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #12)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 06:10 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
37. A LOT of folks here roll all christians in with the Robertson/Falwell, etc, pack
Neither the left or the right have a corner on the hypocrisy market!
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Response to 7962 (Reply #37)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:02 AM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
47. I'm sorry, did this Pope, on this same trip, speak out about same-sex marriage...
as a disfigurement on God's plan?
He is just like Robertson/Falwell on certain issues. |
Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #47)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:18 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
49. I dont know if he did or not. It doesnt make every catholic of christian the same as him.
A lot of people here are quick to say that terrorists are not representative of all of Islam, so the same must be said of the pope.
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Response to 7962 (Reply #49)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:57 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
51. No one, I repeat, NO ONE on this board says that the Pope is representative of Christians...
where the fuck did you pull that from?
But the Pope is a homophobic, misogynist. |
Response to 7962 (Reply #37)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 04:43 PM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
62. Then go talk to them about it. That poster was being bigoted. 'You are gay, the Advocate is your
magazine'. I did not equate anyone to Robertson. So why don't you answer the question I asked that poster? Is it right to assume that a person shares opinion with others in their 'group' as the poster did to me? Yes or no? I say no.
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #62)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 05:11 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
64. Oh, I certainly agree with YOU. But we do see comments to the contrary from others;
especially when it comes to republicans or gun owners. "ALL republicans are racists" "homophobes", the list is long. I dont agree with it at all, and i think it cheapens the site by being so closed minded, but a lot of folks here have no problem with it. When I differ, I get accused of everything short of murder!!
And I dont get it. |
Response to ucrdem (Reply #11)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:26 PM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
14. I note your sudden lack of courage of conviction.
A bit of truth and Francis fans fall silent.
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:29 PM
ucrdem (15,502 posts)
16. Beat ya by a minute.
Gotta be quick in these parts.
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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:18 PM
zeemike (18,998 posts)
25. Well a friend of Francis is a friend of mine
If they believe the positive message he is speaking...and I am not silent.
But many will be because they just don't want to fight...and that is what you are offering them. |
Response to ucrdem (Reply #11)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:11 PM
NYC Liberal (19,619 posts)
22. Go read the comments from their readers. Many were quite disgusted by that.
Francis says "Who am I to judge?" because he believes gays have a disorder so we can't help ourselves. And, by the way, "seeks the Lord with good will" includes not having sex or having any kind of intimate relationship -- and certainly not getting married.
This is NOT an issue of "agree to disagree" or "You can like him and just disagree with some things he believes." Francis has said horrific things about us. Sure, maybe he's got the right idea about some economic issues. But there are plenty of people who are right on economic issues but who aren't also bigots. Let's support THEM. |
Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #10)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:26 PM
AZ Progressive (3,411 posts)
27. I wonder if the Catholic establishment is pressuring him to say these things
Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:12 PM
onehandle (51,122 posts)
23. There are those who want nothing less than the destruction of religion.
They don't understand the meaning of 'progress.'
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Response to onehandle (Reply #23)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:19 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
29. I didn't know propping up a homophobic misogynist was progress. n/t
Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #29)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:24 PM
former9thward (26,236 posts)
39. Would you like to see Catholics purged from the Democratic Party?
Response to former9thward (Reply #39)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 11:47 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
41. How does that relate to what I said? Most American Catholics are NOT homophobic...
misogynists.
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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #41)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:55 AM
former9thward (26,236 posts)
42. Glad you speak for "most" Catholics.
I don't know what "most" Catholics think about those things. But in my experience most support the Pope.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #42)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 10:22 AM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
46. I said American catholics, and its not me saying it...
Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #46)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 11:39 AM
former9thward (26,236 posts)
48. Don't change the subject.
Are you saying "most" American Catholics do not support the Pope? American Catholics in general may support gay marriage but they also support the Pope who you have labeled homophobic and misogynist. Should people who are supporting a misogynist and homophobic leader be purged from the Democratic Party?
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Response to former9thward (Reply #48)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:06 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
52. I have a simple question, is opposing equal rights of LGBT people homophobic?
Yes or no?
In addition, is homophobia as bad as racism? Yes or no? Also, and I'll note, many American Catholics like this Pope because they think he's progressive in all the issues they are progressive in, which seems to be an excellent example of poor media coverage. |
Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #52)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:09 PM
former9thward (26,236 posts)
53. Since you won't answer my question,
I won't answer yours.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #53)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:27 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
55. Fine, I'll answer, if it is because they think he is as progressive as they are on social and...
economic issues, I have no problem with them. But if they support the Pope in social issues, then they should be booted from the party.
Now will you answer? |
Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #55)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 01:18 AM
former9thward (26,236 posts)
56. Well if you boot Democrats from the party that support the Pope
Democrats will never win another national election.
As far as your first question, homophobic means fear of gays. Opposing equal rights for gays is a legal matter and it may or may not have anything to do with a fear of gays. Second question: No, homophobia does not equal racism. Racism means superiority over another race. homophobia means fear of gays. Two different things. But both are civil rights issues. |
Response to former9thward (Reply #56)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 04:06 AM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
57. What. The. Fuck. Seriously, you went the whole "Homophobia is only fear of gays" argument?
Which is, by the way, the argument OF homophobes, similar to the arguments of racists who say they just advocate for separation of races, not inherent superiority.
Here, let me illuminate it for you: https://www.google.com/search?q=homophobia&oq=homophobia&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i59j69i61.2449j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8 Click that, look at the first thing listed, oh, and by the way, this is also the colloquial definition, go to any pro-LGBT website that comments on homophobes and they aren't talking about people who just fear gay people. Oh, and the clincher is this: "No homophobia doesn't equal racism." Yeah, that's it, conversation is fucking impossible, I cannot talk to someone who feels LGBT people are second class citizens. |
Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #57)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 12:19 PM
former9thward (26,236 posts)
58. Take your strawmen elsewhere
Response to former9thward (Reply #58)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 03:35 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
59. Excuse me, you already have minimized bigotry against LGBT people as much as is possible...
without being booted from this discussion board, how are you NOT a homophobic bigot?
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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #59)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 04:18 PM
former9thward (26,236 posts)
60. You are nothing but a name caller
and someone who falsely tries to attribute words when they were never said. You are not worthy of discussion.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #60)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 04:33 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
61. I'm sorry, I call them like I see them. You are the one who mislabels homophobia...
to minimize the real damage it does to LGBT people, its obvious you are NOT LGBT friendly, you should perhaps find a board more suitable to your inclinations.
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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:20 PM
Humanist_Activist (7,670 posts)
30. Why the fuck should we have the Pope's back when he stabs our friends and family in the back? n/t
Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:08 PM
J_J_ (1,213 posts)
20. pretty easy to see why
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:11 PM
J_J_ (1,213 posts)
21. Why do Republicans keep bashing him and his speaking out on income inequality?
It turns out that income inequality is now the Republicans number one issue, they will be the ones to fight for the poor, so they will stop bashing him? |
Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:37 PM
Iggo (45,561 posts)
28. Gosh, that's swell!
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:56 PM
Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)
32. I'm disgusted that so-called progressives here support an anti-gay homophobe.
Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #32)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:21 PM
beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)
38. Sickening, isn't it?
But the "I like this pope!" brigade want us to ignore their bigot's hate speech.
Republicans who spout the same vile rhetoric get raked over the coals here but this guy gets a pass. |
Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #32)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 09:56 AM
Orsino (37,428 posts)
66. Well, there's actually supporting a homophobe...
...and then there's welcoming a homophobe's becoming marginally less homophobic. I have no problem with anyone calling him the Best Pope Evar, as long as we acknowledge that he's still a pope.
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Response to Orsino (Reply #66)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 02:40 PM
Arugula Latte (50,566 posts)
67. Yeah, that's a pretty low bar.
"Best case of measels ever!"
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:12 PM
jmowreader (47,293 posts)
34. "Mani"?
So THAT explains all those Filipino nail techs!
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:15 PM
Brigid (17,621 posts)
35. Watching the end of the repeat on EWTN.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. And more importantly, so did the people there.
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Response to Brigid (Reply #35)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 04:46 PM
Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)
63. It was anti choice, it was denigrating and insulting to LGBT families.
Sickening.
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:36 PM
skepticscott (13,029 posts)
40. Gee...children abandoned by their families
and forced into prostitution and drug use? Couldn't be because their families had children they didn't want and couldn't support, now could it? Couldn't be because the Catholic Church has rabidly opposed any form of artificial contraception, now could it? Couldn't becasue they've convinced their flock that they'll burn in hell if they go against church teachings on birth control, now could it? Couldn't be because their church told them "God will provide", and their misbegotten "god" didn't, now could it?
What a hollow piece of work this pope is. |
Response to 7962 (Original post)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:15 AM
blkmusclmachine (16,149 posts)
43. Nazi popes, child molesters, money laundering, lies, violence and bloodshed...
Praise Jesus!
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 02:18 AM
billhicks76 (5,082 posts)
44. Conservatives Unpopular
They have always been in the minority and that's why they use their money to control the airwaves and pretend they have lots of support. They are whores.
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 08:38 AM
GeorgeGist (24,618 posts)
45. Does he get a prize?
Response to 7962 (Original post)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 12:50 PM
Bradical79 (4,490 posts)
50. Defenitely the best Pope
Though it's an extremely low bar. Still holds a couple disgusting views, but I only expect so much from the leader of religious sect with over 1000 years of hatred, violence and oppression in their highest office. And you can't expect homosexuals and those who believe they should be true equals morally and legally to not be very critical of him when he says the things he does.
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Response to 7962 (Original post)
Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:25 PM
LiberalElite (14,691 posts)
54. The Phillipines is more than 90% Catholic nt
Response to 7962 (Original post)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 06:50 PM
Corey_Baker08 (2,157 posts)
65. Pope Francis Is The Best Pope In My 25 Years On This Earth...
& to be clear, I'm not even Catholic...
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