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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:27 PM Jan 2015

Legal Scholar Calls for ‘Fetal Rescue Programs’ to End Abortion Debate

I've had my students write rebuttals to fake arguments for and against fetal transfers to artificial wombs replacing abortions as an over the top, out there hypothetical.

Now some legal scholar is arguing it for real, and people are arguing the other side for real.

This is why it is so hard to write satire....

At this point, without the technology for a zygote, embryo, or fetus to survive outside the womb, “In practice, elective abortion inevitably results in fetal death,” writes Giles. “For that very reason, the woman has no choice in the matter: Should she elect to terminate her pregnancy, the fetus will die even if she wants it to survive.”

Presumably, the patients Giles has in mind here are women who allegedly terminated pregnancies because they were not “ready” to parent, either for financial or emotional reasons. In other words, they were uncomfortable with the thought of terminating their pregnancies, but saw no other choice. In turn, he notes there is a stigma associated with carrying a pregnancy to term and then relinquishing parental rights in adoption. While it sounds like he’s trying to be sympathetic to these patients by painting them as grieving would-be mothers, his so-called “solution” for the “problem” of these women choosing abortion is, of course, to take that choice away.

That solution, as he sees it, is what he calls a “fetal rescue” program, in which the state bears the burden and expenses of gestating the terminated pregnancy, including the burden and expense related to caring for any live birth that results. Here’s Giles’ proposal:

It [fetal rescue program] puts the woman in what we might call the gestate-or-relinquish dilemma: carry the fetus to term or relinquish it to the state prior to viability for attempted rescue via AW [artificial womb]. The gestate-or-relinquish dilemma can best be characterized as a pre-viability, pre-natal version of the raise-or-relinquish dilemma. Like its post-natal analogue, it frustrates the woman’s interest in ensuring the death of the fetus. If she opts not to carry the fetus to term, she must relinquish it to the state, and if AW succeeds, her biological child will be raised by others....


http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/01/05/legal-scholar-calls-fetal-rescue-programs-end-abortion-debate/
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Legal Scholar Calls for ‘Fetal Rescue Programs’ to End Abortion Debate (Original Post) yurbud Jan 2015 OP
How about a free and accessible birth control program to end the abortion debate undeterred Jan 2015 #1
There will still be a need for abortion. Sister to TxTowelie Jan 2015 #8
True, but there would be a lot less need for it undeterred Jan 2015 #10
I have often thought that the men who claim Sister to TxTowelie Jan 2015 #2
That is such a perfect response, Sis to Txtowelie! How I wish it were possible. Mnemosyne Jan 2015 #3
why would someone claim to want it if they didn't? yurbud Jan 2015 #4
because fantasies take many idiosyncratic forms, BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #6
And they can have it. Sister to TxTowelie Jan 2015 #7
if they're going to use technical terms zygote, embryo and fetus magical thyme Jan 2015 #5
this guy made some rhetorical mistakes if he really wanted to sell this yurbud Jan 2015 #9

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
1. How about a free and accessible birth control program to end the abortion debate
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jan 2015

Or does that sound crazy?

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
10. True, but there would be a lot less need for it
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jan 2015

if contraception were easily available to everyone who needs it.

2. I have often thought that the men who claim
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

to want the baby they've fathered should be given the opportunity to have the conceptus if they absolutely insist it be brought to term:

"I'm not carrying this any more than I'm giving my liver away. You want it? Fine. Here. It's yours." Hand him the test tube and leave.

7. And they can have it.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:01 PM
Jan 2015

Collect the conceptus in a test tube after an abortion. Then give it to them.

When I had a miscarriage at 6 weeks, I actually saw it on toilet paper. Didn't look anything like the pictures on the signs held up by extremists at rallies.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
5. if they're going to use technical terms zygote, embryo and fetus
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jan 2015

then why regress to the non-technical term "womb?"

It is a uterus. A zygote resides in a uterus.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
9. this guy made some rhetorical mistakes if he really wanted to sell this
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:51 PM
Jan 2015

fetal "rescue" is the first one.

He should have used as neutral terminology as possible to avoid the appearance of moral judgment that the author of this article objected to, and simply sell it as a "win-win" for both the woman ending her pregnancy and whoever gets the product of conception.

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