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Mon May 25, 2015, 03:51 PM

Why the last of the JFK files could embarrass the CIA

Among the 40,000 documents are roughly 3,600 that have never been seen by the public.
By BRYAN BENDER 25/5/15, 7:00 PM CET Updated 25/5/15, 7:00 PM CET

COLLEGE PARK, Md. — Shortly after the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Chief Justice Earl Warren, who oversaw the first official inquiry, was asked by a reporter if the full record would be made public. “Yes, there will come a time,” the chairman of the Warren Commission responded. “But it might not be in your lifetime.” It will soon be in ours — that is, unless the CIA, FBI or other agencies still holding on to thousands of secret documents from a series of related probes convince the next occupant of the White House otherwise.

A special team of seven archivists and technicians with top-secret security clearances has been set up at the National Archives and Records Administration to process all or portions of 40,000 documents that constitute the final collection of known federal records that might shed light on the events surrounding JFK’s murder, POLITICO has learned — files that according to law must be made public by October 2017.

But the records’ release is not guaranteed, says Martha Murphy, head of the National Archives’ Special Access Branch. While the JFK Records Act of 1992 mandated the files be made public in 25 years, government agencies that created the paper trail can still appeal directly to the president to keep them hidden. And some scholars and researchers, not to mention the army of JFK conspiracy theorists, fear that is exactly what will happen given the details about the deepest, darkest corners of American spy craft that could be revealed — from the inner workings of the CIA’s foreign assassination program and front companies to the role of a CIA psychological operations guru accused of misleading congressional investigators about alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald’s activities.

“We have sent letters to agencies letting them know we have records here that were withheld, 2017 is coming,” Murphy said in a recent interview at the primary government records repository in the D.C. suburbs. She said while no agency has formally requested a waiver yet, some “have gotten back to ask for clarification” and are seeking “more information.” “Within our power, the National Archives is going to do everything we can to make these records open and available to the public,” she added. “And that is my only goal. There are limits to my powers and the president of the United States has the right to say something needs to be held for longer.”



Read more: http://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-last-of-the-jfk-files-could-embarrass-the-cia/

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Reply Why the last of the JFK files could embarrass the CIA (Original post)
undeterred May 2015 OP
MADem May 2015 #1
Demeter May 2015 #2
GoneFishin May 2015 #3
Octafish May 2015 #5
GoneFishin May 2015 #6
Octafish May 2015 #8
GoneFishin May 2015 #11
Octafish May 2015 #4
GreatGazoo May 2015 #7
undeterred May 2015 #9
Myrina May 2015 #15
undeterred May 2015 #16
Caspian Morgan May 2015 #10
Myrina May 2015 #14
Archae May 2015 #12
YoungDemCA May 2015 #17
Archae May 2015 #19
MinM May 2015 #13
MinM May 2015 #20
YoungDemCA May 2015 #18

Response to undeterred (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:00 PM

1. We're normalizing with Cuba. I think American history is about to be rewritten.

As I say about lots of things, Time Will Tell!

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 05:08 PM

2. Another reason to vote for Bernie, as if it were needed

 

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:25 PM

3. They destroyed video of the government torturing people. "Accidentally" dropping an embarrassing

document into a shredder, toilet or fireplace is an autonomic reflex for them.

We'll never see any of the real eye openers.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #3)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:34 PM

5. FBI destroyed JFK evidence starting Nov. 22, 1963

Agent Hosty destroyed the note Lee Harvey Oswald left at Dallas FBI earlier that week.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x294199

More stuff as the days went on was lost, destroyed, tailored, bent, shaped, buried, etc.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Tue May 26, 2015, 10:13 AM

6. I had not heard about that note before, or it's destruction.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #6)

Tue May 26, 2015, 02:11 PM

8. The late Donald Adams of the FBI blew the whistle and the national media ''ignored'' him.

If anybody who ever worked for J Edgar Hoover deserves to be heard, it's Don Adams. The guy is the real deal, a brave agent who stepped forward. Among his assassination-connected work, FBI Special Agent Don Adams interviewed racist Joseph Adams Milteer.

The racist had been taped recorded detailing a plot to shoot the president using snipers shooting from a high rise. He also said the assassins would set up a patsy to take the fall. That's all on tape -- US Government records -- created surreptitiously by FBI undercover informant William Sommerset.



Milteer apparently was photographed in Dealey Plaza.

Milteer was a rabid right-wing racist who was tape-recorded by FBI detailing the assassination of JFK "with a high-powered rifle from a high-rise office building." then a couple of weeks later appears in photographs in Dealey Plaza should make the front page and lead every broadcast, but it doesn't, for some reason.



So Don Adams, the rookie, and a senior FBI agent in Georgia got sent out to interview the guy taped detailing a plot that looked like occurred in Dallas, but had also been broken up in Chicago and possibly Miami or Tampa. After asking Milteer three questions and zero follow-up, the two Feds turned around and left. The rookie, Adams, had not been briefed about Somerset's recordings.

Before his death, he went on the record with a book on the experience:



http://adamsjfk.com/?page_id=30

Thank you for caring about this stuff, GoneFishin. When a rabid right-wing racist who was tape-recorded by FBI detailing the assassination of JFK "with a high-powered rifle from a high-rise office building," then a couple of weeks later appears in photographs in Dealey Plaza. should make the front page and lead every broadcast. That it doesn't, shows that traitors still run the show.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #8)

Wed May 27, 2015, 10:17 AM

11. Traitors and weak minded people unable to confront the reality that the U.S. is the Truman Show.

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:31 PM

4. George Joannides + CIA + House Select Committee on Assassination + New Orleans + Lee Harvey Oswald

Bust a GOOGLE.

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 01:09 PM

7. People basically know what happened.

Pretending that some long lost document will finally set the record straight is part of denying the reality.

Polls show 61% to 81% of Americans believe that the ambush of JFK and botched investigation resulted from coordination among multiple individuals. The fatal headshot as shown in the Zapruder film is so clearly coming from the front that all we had for 12 years (1963 to 1975) was Dan Rather's errant description saying that with the 5th shot, JFK's head "went forward with considerable violence." After the Zapruder film was released in 1975, polls peaked at 81% for conspiracy/ambush.

Oswald himself was likely a CIA asset since he had top security clearance and worked on the U2 flights.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #7)

Tue May 26, 2015, 07:06 PM

9. We need to know what Lyndon Johnson knew

and most people don't know that he was probably part of the big event.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #9)

Fri May 29, 2015, 03:29 PM

15. I think maybe Johnson knew *something* was going to happen,

but I don't think he was an active participant / planner. More like "Lyndon, we're going to make you President. And when you're President, you're going to do what we need you to do, to keep the war machine going. We're all going to be very rich. And if you don't do those things we need you to do, well, you know what we're capable of doing to get our way."

I think that's why he chose not to run in '68 and why he aged so incredibly quickly and looked like such a frightened, broken down man by then.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #15)

Fri May 29, 2015, 07:16 PM

16. He hated Kennedy.

He knew what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it because he wanted to be President. He was a horrible man.

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 10:22 PM

10. I've always thought Bush and the CIA were behind it.

 

He was in Texas the week before. Most likely planning out the locations.

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Response to Caspian Morgan (Reply #10)

Fri May 29, 2015, 03:26 PM

14. Yeah, if Poppy's still alive or one of the sons / grandsons is in office somewhere ...

.... the records won't come out.

Call me a 'er but I think GWHB was up to his eyeballs in knowledge of underhanded shit the CIA was doing from the 60's thru the 90's.

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 02:28 PM

12. You know the REAL reason for a CIA or FBI cover-up of Oswald?

Same reason the CIA and FBI covered up what they knew about 9-11.

In the case of Oswald, they had him on their radars for years, due to his radical leftist activities.
Oswald was so radical he couldn't stand the Soviet Union, for crying out loud.

Both the CIA and the FBI had been watching Oswald, for this reason.
But like 9-11, they were both more interested in protecting their turf, so they botched the surveillance.

If anyone had told me a nutcase would shoot and nearly kill the President over his stalking of an actress back in 1976, I'd say that was crazy talk.
Yet in 1981 a guy did just that.

Lincoln was killed by a rabid Southern Supremacist actor.
Garfield was killed by a fundy with grandiose plans about working in Washington.
McKinley was killed by a radical anarchist.
And Kennedy was killed by a radical communist who hated Kennedy's guts.

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Response to Archae (Reply #12)

Fri May 29, 2015, 10:38 PM

17. To be fair John Wilkes Booth was actually part of a conspiracy

 

But otherwise, I agree with your post.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #17)

Fri May 29, 2015, 11:18 PM

19. Their "conspiracy" wasn't too much more than a group of guys who got together to drink.

In fact, one of them totally blew it on the night of their big "event," he was too plowed to carry out his own plan.

We don't want a loser or a group of losers to be the assassins that kill our legendary leaders, yet they are.

Booth was an actor who had the ladies swooning over him, yet he was a racist swine and a loser who ran from the same military he so idolized.

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:42 PM

13. there are at least 606 pages about David Atlee Phillips

“I don’t see the CIA handing out 600 pages on David Atlee Phillips in two years,” said Jefferson Morley, a leading Kennedy researcher and founder of JFKfacts.org, who has sued the CIA to reveal more information about several key figures known to be the focus of some of the withheld files.

“It may have nothing to do with JFK but about other assassinations,” he added. “They still don’t want to open that window and let everyone look in. I expect the worst.” ...

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/why-last-of-jfk-files-could-embarrass-cia-118233.html#ixzz3bUQyUIHU

The video below probably explains why they won't reveal documents pertaining to David Atlee Phillips ..


BTW since this report it has been confirmed that David Atlee Phillips was indeed Maurice Bishop.

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Response to MinM (Reply #13)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:39 PM

20. The CIA retains two secret files on New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison

On April 1, 1967, CIA director Richard Helms launched a secret world-wide campaign, entitled “Countering Warren Commission critics,” which sought to discredit JFK ‘conspiracy theorists” with newspaper editors and reporters.

At the same time, James Angleton, chief of the agency’s Counterintelligence Staff, established a secret committee, which monitored Garrison’s investigation for the next two years. Declassified documents show that Angleton’s “Garrison Group” identified scores of CIA assets and sources who figured in the New Orleans investigation.

While intensely suspicious of the CIA, Garrison actually underestimated the extent of the agency’s interest in accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald before JFK was killed.

Angeton’s staff had monitored Oswald for four years after his defection to the Soviet Union in November 1959, according to declassified records released in 1990s. Jane Roman, an aide to to Angleton, told the Washington Post that certain CIA officials had “keen interest” in Oswald in late 1963...

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/the-cia-is-hiding-two-secret-files-on-jim-garrison-the-prosecutor-celebrated-in-the-jfk-movie/#more-19333

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Response to undeterred (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2015, 10:48 PM

18. The CIA -and the Kennedy brothers - *may* have also (unwittingly) played a role re: Oswald's motive

 

To understand the meaning of Mexico City and what Shenon found there, though, it is necessary to start with Paris.

Paris on Nov. 22, 1963. It involves another blunder by the CIA, the climax of a series of criminal blunders by that agency that in fact might be more responsible for the JFK assassination than any deliberate plot posited by conspiracy theorists. It involved the CIA’s people once again being taken in by a double agent who was in fact a triple agent.

The agency thought it had recruited a close confidante of Fidel Castro to act as a double agent—and eventually assassinate Castro. His name was Rolando Cubela. But it turned out he was reporting back to the Cubans about the Kennedy/CIA assassination plot; he was a triple agent.


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Then Shenon learned about “two men—both prominent Mexican newspapermen, both friendly with Silvia Duran in the 1960s,” who had long kept silent about what they knew about Oswald in Mexico City. One of them, Oscar Contreras, had already reported that “he had spent time with Oswald.” But in 2013 he told Shenon more: “He not only encountered Oswald at the university; he also saw him again at a reception a few days later at the Cuban embassy.” (Also a party, but not the twist party—Oswald was apparently getting around.)

The other, Shenon writes, was “arguably the most important, most credible witness of all: Elena Garro’s nephew Francisco Guerrero Garro,” another prominent newspapermen,“who has kept his silence for half a century about what he knew.”

His secret: “He said he had been at the party where his aunt had encountered Oswald and Silvia Duran. In fact, he had driven his aunt and his mother … to the party. And he said he is certain that he saw Oswald too.” He has a distinct memory of Oswald “standing there, next to the chimney ... His face was unmistakable," he told Shenon.

He recalls the remarkable scene in the immediate aftermath of the assassination when his mother and aunt gathered in front of a television “and became hysterical as they realized that they had seen the president’s assassin at a family party a few weeks earlier. ‘Yes, yes, that’s him, that’s him!’ ” they yelled.



Shenon paints a compelling picture, even though he doesn’t give his book the obvious subtitle: “How Oswald got the idea to kill Kennedy,” or “why” he did. Because all he can attest to is Oswald’s exposure to the idea (and, if we believe SOLO, Oswald’s own publically stated vow). If it was in his head already, it seems to have been reinforced by those who got close to him in Mexico City. They gave him a specific rationale: The Kennedy murder plots against Fidel.

Of course, being exposed to the idea doesn’t necessarily mean he would follow through. Who could have known then that JFK’s motorcade would pass beneath Oswald’s window. Oswald didn’t yet have the job at the Texas School Book Depository, and JFK’s Dallas trip wasn’t even planned when Oswald was in Mexico City. And so it may have just been malignant fate that an already unstable Oswald used anger over a domestic dispute to take his revenge on the world that had defeated his hopes.

But it looks as if the idea was already in his mind when fate placed JFK in his hands.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/11/philip_shenon_s_a_cruel_and_shocking_act_stunning_reporting_in_new_book.html

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