"America Does Bad Things for Good Reasons": the Vietnam War and American Exceptionalism -
On Reality Asserts Itself, Mr. Appy, author of "American Reckoning: The Vietnam War and Our National Identity", discusses growing up with a broad faith that America is always an indispensable and invincible force for good in the world - and the seeds of his disillusionment with Americanism - May 26, 2015PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome to The Real News Network, and welcome to Reality Asserts Itself. I'm Paul Jay.
America does bad things, but it always does them for good reason. It always does them for the greater good. Well, that's the mythology.
Everyone else, all of America's enemies, they do bad things, too, but they do it for bad reasons. They do it to get rich. They do it for self-interest. They do it 'cause they're megalomaniacal dictators.
America does things for the greater good. Some people call it American exceptionalism.
in full:http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=13912
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)question and answer period. Very thoughtful and intelligent author.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)RealNews has some great and enlightening guest interviews too. Well worth watching.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)from the spread of communism, by the end of my 2nd tour, I was thoroughly disillusioned and my eyes were wide open as to what was actually happening.
I mulled getting out after my first hitch, but my wife and I decided that I would make a career of it and I had the naïve hope that I could help change the mindset from the inside.
I stayed in for over 40 years, retired as a Capt., I don't regret my decision to stay, retirement has been good to us, great bennies, pretty good pension.
We also determined that I would be the last of my families tradition that the male members were expected to serve their country, none of our kids have joined the military.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)should be part of the foreign policy discussion. You made it home from war and have a family that
loves you...it doesn't get better than that, does it.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)We bought a small farm outside of Flagstaff, AZ and we're contented and happy in our little space of the world, our kids are grown and are gainfully employed, life doesn't get much better than that.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)[Note to TomDispatch Readers: We have an interesting offer today and Id like to give you the Engelhardt guarantee on it. When my kids were young and nervous about doing something that I was certain would work out well, I would assure them that they had the Engelhardt guarantee. It was ironclad. Now, Im offering the same guarantee on a new work by historian (and todays TD author) Christian Appy, American Reckoning: The Vietnam War and Our National Identity. I just finished it and its a hell of a book! I wrote about Vietnam at length in my Cold War history, The End of Victory Culture, but to my surprise I found myself repeatedly caught off guard by the information Appy has to offer and his insights into how that war helped shape our world. Were offering signed, personalized copies of American Reckoning to TD enthusiasts in return for contributions of $100 (or more) to this site. (Check out our donation page for the details.) If you have any interest in the Vietnam War, you should get your hands on this book. (Click here for one path to doing so.)
I asked TD Managing Editor Nick Turse, who -- someone told me -- knows a tad about Vietnam himself to write todays introduction. I would also insist that you get your hands on his bestselling book, Kill Anything That Moves, The Real American War in Vietnam, if I didnt think that all TD readers had already done so! Tom]
Suddenly he appeared, riding in the back of a truck, his arms thrust to the heavens, his fists clenched tight. I couldnt believe my eyes. It was Ho Chi Minh, modern Vietnams founding father... and he was holding dumbbells.
It was 2010, the eve of the 35th anniversary of the fall of Saigon -- though it was known in Vietnam as Liberation Day -- and the city was readying itself for a major celebration: a massive parade, fireworks, the whole shebang. That float, adorned with Olympic rings, was apparently designed to exhort Vietnamese onlookers to embrace physical fitness, though no reputable fitness trainer in the world would teach the form of standing shoulder presses being performed on that truck by that papier-mâché Uncle Ho.
Nations sometimes commemorate their war victories in strange ways. Not that I have first-hand experience. I grew up in the wake of the Vietnam War, so -- like all Americans since the end of World War II -- I never saw the celebration of a major victory. Perhaps somewhere, someone commemorated the triumphs over the tiny island of Grenada and the minimalist forces of Panama. There were, apparently, celebrations of the Gulf War before it was clear that meddling in Iraq would turn into a decades-long American debacle, though they didnt make an impression on me.
What I remember, instead, was a different kind of celebration, a long, meandering moment famously labeled its morning again in America in a TV ad for Ronald Reagans presidential campaign. A nation hobbled by the real Uncle Ho, deindustrialization, and a raft of poorly conceived policies that had come home to roost was being gilded back to greatness by a spinmeister-in-chief in the Oval Office -- and Hollywood and the toy companies loved it. For me, it meant rousing times watching Rambo and G.I. Joe and Red Dawn. Rocky took on a towering Soviet superman, the Evil Empires boxing champ, and chopped him down to size. The president flipped the script after the phrase Star Wars, taken from George Lucass trilogy, was slapped on his fantastical high frontier defense boondoggle by critics. If you will pardon my stealing a film line, he said, the Force is with us. And if Mr. Gorbachev wouldnt tear down that wall -- you know, the one in Berlin -- well, Mr. Reagan might just blow it to smithereens with an MX missile. It was a celebratory time, but remind me now, what exactly were we celebrating?
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175953/tomgram%3A_christian_appy,_%22honor%22_the_vietnam_veteran,_forget_the_war_/
swilton
(5,069 posts)I would make the argument that it's not just the Vietnam War we need to atone for - we need to atone for all of the US wars of aggression, starting with the genocide of Native Americans...As a lifetime member of Veterans for Peace, I have (in attempting to stop both (and counting?) Iraq Wars) been in contact with many of the great anti-war veterans - among others David Cline who passed away in 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cline
swilton
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Just watched it - as a baby boomer, explains a lot of how indoctrination was ongoing w/I history and political science classes, and the 'we're under attack' drills in grade school. Didn't realize I was so old but this is history.
For non-baby-boomers: you should see this for its vivid descriptions of post WWII mass culture and explanation of American nationalism formation.