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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:56 PM Jun 2015

A Plea for Culinary Modernism: The obsession with eating natural and artisanal is ahistorical...

The obsession with eating natural and artisanal is ahistorical. We should demand more high-quality industrial food.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/slow-food-artisanal-natural-preservatives


"Modern, fast, processed food is a disaster. That, at least, is the message conveyed by newspapers and magazines, on television cooking programs, and in prizewinning cookbooks.

It is a mark of sophistication to bemoan the steel roller mill and supermarket bread while yearning for stone­ ground flour and brick ovens; to seek out heirloom apples and pumpkins while despising modern tomatoes and hybrid corn; to be hostile to agronomists who develop high-yielding modern crops and to home economists who invent new recipes for General Mills.

We hover between ridicule and shame when we remember how our mothers and grand­mothers enthusiastically embraced canned and frozen foods. We nod in agreement when the waiter proclaims that the restaurant showcases the freshest local produce. We shun Wonder Bread and Coca-Cola. Above all, we loathe the great culminating symbol of Culinary Modernism, McDonald’s — modern, fast, homogenous, and international.

Like so many of my generation, my culinary style was created by those who scorned industrialized food; Culinary Luddites, we may call them, after the English hand workers of the nineteenth century who abhorred the machines that were destroying their traditional way of life. I learned to cook from the books of Elizabeth David, who urged us to sweep our store cupboards “clean for ever of the cluttering debris of commercial sauce bottles and all synthetic flavorings.”

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A very strong, important read, even if it is 15-years-old. It's time to check the BS on food issues, and get to the evidence that matters.


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A Plea for Culinary Modernism: The obsession with eating natural and artisanal is ahistorical... (Original Post) HuckleB Jun 2015 OP
I am dying to get a delicious bite of industrial foodproduct ... Trajan Jun 2015 #1
Why did you bother commenting without reading the article? HuckleB Jun 2015 #2
It's a continuum. Igel Jun 2015 #5
What a fascinating history of food! This part made me think of Mitt Romney... Beartracks Jun 2015 #3
+1 HuckleB Jun 2015 #4
It was a strang way to distribute food fasttense Jun 2015 #6
Great discussion that started from this original piece at Food And Farm Discussion Lab! HuckleB Jun 2015 #7
 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
1. I am dying to get a delicious bite of industrial foodproduct ...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jun 2015

I hope it's spongy and slimy ... or super delicious .... Like Doritos with that Mesquite Bacon Cheese Ranch powder all over! ...

Sheesh ... Fresh whole food BAD - Hyper-processed industrial food GOOD .... Got it ...

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
2. Why did you bother commenting without reading the article?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015

This is from a serious academic. Your response is simply pointless in the face of the actual article.

Igel

(35,282 posts)
5. It's a continuum.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:46 PM
Jun 2015

Last night made achar gosht, a really nice sour beef stew.

Ideally, I'd have chopped up fresh tomatoes, used homemade yoghurt, toasted and ground the spices myself, grated the fresh ginger and peeled the garlic. I do this when I have the time.

Instead I used the mustard oil that somebody else had pressed, used Dannon store-bought yoghurt, generic canned tomatoes, and pre-peeled garlic and grated garlic out of a jar. Didn't even squeeze the lemons to make my own lemon juice, and while I did grind the fenugreek and kalonji myself, I did not grind the cumin or make the red chili powder. (Nor did I make the chili pickle that I think accompanies achar gosht so well.)

When I make spaghetti sauce I'm content to start with crushed and diced tomatoes out of cans. I've made it with a pot full of fresh tomatoes, and it tastes better that way, but it takes a long time. Plus I really haven't had time to get my winter or spring garden going, and it's getting late for a summer garden. (Crap. That means either butter beans or black-eyed peas where I don't have chilis and eggplants already going.) Have to find time to harvest the nectarines. I have one of those recent suburban mini-yards north of Houston.

My mother--in her 80s, and presumably one of the "grandmothers" who really did embrace a lot of pre-prepared foods, was able to make homemade food without worrying about making sure every ingredient was fresh. It tasted better and was usually healthier--lower in fat and salt--than similar meals taken out of a box and heated up. Like her, when I find time and have the materials I can tomatoes and make pickles; I have a tray full of frozen par-boiled home-grown bok choi in the fridge.

Hyper-processed industrial food usually bad. But processed food by itself isn't necessarily bad. Whole food is often better, but the tradeoff with minimally processed food isn't all that bad. To this day I can't stand pre-made lasagna or stir-fry. The time trade-off isn't worth the loss in quality and increase in price.

One way I make the trade-off work and "rescue" some of the time is by using devices such as pressure cookers. So the achar gosht should have simmered for 45 minutes or longer. 15-20 minutes in the pressure cooker did the trick. The longest part was frying the onions--mostly because I ran out of the pre-fried onions and needed to make a run to the local Indo-Pak grocery.

The point is simple: There are healthy very processed foods, but they cost more. There are compromises, where a little time investment and use of processed but not "hyper-processed" foods can give a big increases in nutritional value (and reduction in the bad things processing puts in foods) and sharply reduce prices.

There's another important point to be made here: The price of a lot of hyper-processed food is more than the price of minimally processed foods.

Beartracks

(12,801 posts)
3. What a fascinating history of food! This part made me think of Mitt Romney...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:26 PM - Edit history (1)

"The poor... eked out an existence on porridges or polentas of oats or maize, on coarse breads of rye or barley bulked out with chaff or even clay and ground bark, and on boiled potatoes; they saw meat only on rare occasions. The privation continued. In Europe, 1840 was a year of hunger, best remembered now as the time of the devastating potato famine of Ireland.

"Meanwhile, the rich continued to indulge, feasting on white bread, meats, rich fatty sauces, sweet desserts, exotic hothouse-grown pineapples, wine, and tea, coffee, and chocolate drunk from fine china. Every now and then, one among them would stand up, laugh, and say, 'Everyone should live like this!'"

(Uh... The italicized part is what I added. )


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fasttense

(17,301 posts)
6. It was a strang way to distribute food
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:43 AM
Jun 2015

Before major industrialization, the farmer raised beef, lamb, chicken and pork but ate none of it. He was lucky to get boiled potatoes and bitter herbs. Because he was a tenant farmer and did not own the land he wotked to improve. He was told what to raise and grow. There were also strict laws in place that made it illegal for farmers to eat meat.

But if you were lucky enough to own the land you worked you could eat whatever you wanted. The farmrs in western US ate very well as did most farmers who owned what they worked.

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