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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 01:04 AM Oct 2015

The Case For Tammany Hall Being On The Right Side Of History

Interesting POV on beneficial side of corruption, the beginning of the ties between Democrats and immigrants, and beginnings of social safety net.

Via @nprbooks: The Case For Tammany Hall Being On The Right Side Of History

Back in 1900, when Americans in cities counted on ice to keep food, milk and medicines fresh, New York Mayor Robert Van Wyck's career ended when it emerged that a company given a monopoly on the ice business was doubling prices while giving the mayor and his cronies big payoffs.

Van Wyck was one of a long list of scoundrels associated with the political machine known as Tammany Hall, which influenced — and at times dominated — New York's Democratic Party for more than 100 years. Among its more notorious figures were William "Boss" Tweed, who went to jail for corruption, and George Washington Plunkitt, who's remembered for insisting there's a difference between honest and dishonest graft.

Historian Terry Golway has written a colorful history of Tammany Hall, which takes a more sympathetic view of the organization than many historians. He says the Tammany machine, while often corrupt, gave impoverished immigrants critically needed social services and a road to assimilation. According to Golway, Tammany was responsible for progressive state legislation that foreshadowed the New Deal. He writes that some of Tammany's harshest critics, including cartoonist Thomas Nast, openly exhibited a raw anti-Irish and anti-Catholic prejudice.

Golway tells Fresh Air's Dave Davies, "What I'm trying to do in this book is present this other side of Tammany Hall. ... Every history of Tammany Hall is told as a true-crime novel, and what I'm trying to suggest is that there's this other side. I'm arguing, yes, the benefits that Tammany Hall brought to New York and to the United States [do] outweigh the corruption with which it is associated. I'm simply trying to complicate that story... Tammany Hall was there for the poor immigrant who was otherwise friendless in New York."

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The Case For Tammany Hall Being On The Right Side Of History (Original Post) Panich52 Oct 2015 OP
Nast hated them because they were just as corrupt as the WASP Warpy Oct 2015 #1
Reminds me a little of Huey Long malthaussen Oct 2015 #2
from Wiki MisterP Oct 2015 #3

Warpy

(111,256 posts)
1. Nast hated them because they were just as corrupt as the WASP
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 01:13 AM
Oct 2015

good ole boys before them had been but on the social justice and not the greed side of the scale. Tammany was just corrupt enough to get people into office who did something for the voters instead of simply lining their pockets at voter expense.

Nast found that unseemly.

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
2. Reminds me a little of Huey Long
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015

"In Louisiana, we have the graft, but we also have good highways. Most places just have the graft."

-- Mal

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
3. from Wiki
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015
Although he held numerous important public offices and was one of a handful of senior leaders of Tammany Hall, as well as the state legislature and the state Democratic Party,[13] Tweed was never the sole "boss" of New York City. He shared control of the city with numerous less famous people, such as the villains depicted in the Nast's famous circle of guilt cartoon shown above. Seymour J. Mandelbaum has argued that, apart from the corruption he engaged in, Tweed was a modernizer who prefigured certain elements of the Progressive Era in terms of more efficient city management. Much of the money he siphoned off from the city treasury went to needy constituents who appreciated the free food at Christmas time and remembered it at the next election, and to precinct workers who provided the muscle of his machine. As a legislator he worked to expand and strengthen welfare programs, especially those by private charities, schools, and hospitals. With a base in the Irish Catholic community, he opposed efforts of Protestants to require the reading of the King James Bible in public schools, which was done deliberately to keep out Catholics. He facilitated the founding of the New York Public Library, even though one of its founders, Samuel Tilden, was Tweed's sworn enemy in the Democratic Party.[28][29]

Tweed recognized that the support of his constituency was necessary for him to remain in power, and as a consequence he used the machinery of the city's government to provide numerous social services, including building more orphanages, almshouses and public baths.[5] Tweed also fought for the New York State Legislature to donate to private charities of all religious denominations, and subsidize Catholic schools and hospitals. From 1869 to 1871, under Tweed's influence, the state of New York spent more on charities than for the entire time period from 1852 to 1868 combined.[30] Tweed also pushed through funding for a teachers college and prohibition of corporal punishment in schools, as well as salary increases for school teachers.

During Tweed's regime, the main business thoroughfare Broadway was widened between 34th Street and 59th Street, land was secured for the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the Upper East Side and Upper West Side were developed and provided the necessary infrastructure – all to the benefit of the purses of the Tweed Ring, but also, ultimately, to the benefit of the people of the city.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed
it's almost like reality's ambiguous or something
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