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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:46 PM Nov 2015

Pope Francis: Christmas Festivities ‘A Charade’ In A World Filled With ‘War And Hate’

AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
20 NOV 2015 AT 08:51 ET

Christmas festivities will seem empty in a world which has chosen “war and hate”, Pope Francis said Thursday.

“Christmas is approaching: there will be lights, parties, Christmas trees and nativity scenes … it’s all a charade. The world continues to go to war. The world has not chosen a peaceful path,” he said in a sermon.

“There are wars today everywhere, and hate,” he said after the worst terror attack in French history, the bombing of a Russian airliner, a double suicide bombing in Lebanon, and a series of other deadly strikes.

“We should ask for the grace to weep for this world, which does not recognise the path to peace. To weep for those who live for war and have the cynicism to deny it,” the Argentine pontiff said, adding: “God weeps, Jesus weeps”.

The sermon threw a shadow over the start of the festive season at the Vatican, where a giant Christmas tree was unveiled.

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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/pope-francis-christmas-festivities-a-charade-in-a-world-filled-with-war-and-hate/

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Pope Francis: Christmas Festivities ‘A Charade’ In A World Filled With ‘War And Hate’ (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2015 OP
OMG - the crazies will brand the Pope as leading the War on Christmas rurallib Nov 2015 #1
Memo to Frank: Millions consider religion to be a charade, not just Christmas. WestSeattle2 Nov 2015 #2
What are they doing for peace? Octafish Nov 2015 #3
Expand your horizons... WestSeattle2 Nov 2015 #4
No, but thanks for the idea. Octafish Nov 2015 #5
How do you condone teaching those in HIV hot zones not to use condoms? Over 100,000 a month Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #7
What do you think of the Jesuits and two women murdered by Death Squad? Octafish Nov 2015 #8
It take character to say it. Hooray for Pope Francis. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #6
It worked for a small group in WWI jakeXT Nov 2015 #9

rurallib

(64,833 posts)
1. OMG - the crazies will brand the Pope as leading the War on Christmas
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:03 PM
Nov 2015

This may be the first time I totally agree with what he said.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. What are they doing for peace?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:16 PM
Nov 2015

Seems to me, the Pope is living up to his Boss' expectations.

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
4. Expand your horizons...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:21 AM
Nov 2015
http://peaceandsecularstudies.org/

Do you believe that one has to buy into religious nonsense in order to pursue peace? Really?

Wow.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. No, but thanks for the idea.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:36 AM
Nov 2015

Where did I say you have to be religious to put it into practice?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. How do you condone teaching those in HIV hot zones not to use condoms? Over 100,000 a month
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:19 AM
Nov 2015

die in Africa. Uganda is 44% Catholic, 13% say they have at least seen a condom, 7.2% have HIV. Uganda is 1/10 the population of the US but has more than 10 X the number of AIDS deaths, over 60,000 a year in Uganda. This massive, relentless death toll creates a large number of orphans, over 650,000 AIDS orphans in Uganda alone.
Francis, he comes to Congress to lecture us about 'threats to the family'. He means LGBT. He does not seem to think that all those deaths from AIDS are a threat to the family worth mentioning.

So what is 'peace'? Are you at peace if your parents are dying from AIDS and you have no other family? If half your village is dead or dying are you in a holy state of peace, as you define peace?

Can you look at a preventable death toll in the monthly six figures and call that peace with a straight face?

Endorsing that is a hell of a thing. I'm not really into the sort of 'peace' that involves massive death rates.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. What do you think of the Jesuits and two women murdered by Death Squad?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:27 AM
Nov 2015

They died trying to make this a better world by peaceful means. You should learn more:

http://cja.org/article.php?list=type&type=84

Some of the people organizing, financing and controlling the Death Squads in Latin America also are the same as have kept the USA at war since JFK was president.



Unsealed Documents Show Pinochet 'Directly' Involved in Capitol Hill Assassinations

Pinochet was Poppy's friend.



Unsealed Documents Show Pinochet 'Directly' Involved in Capitol Hill Assassinations

Orlando Letelier and Ronni Karpen Moffitt became 'symbols of the broader human rights catastrophe of the Pinochet dictatorship'

by Sarah Lazare, staff writer
CommonDreams, Oct. 8, 2015

Loved ones have long charged that U.S.-backed dictator Augusto Pinochet had a direct hand in the 1976 assassination of former Chilean diplomat Orlando Letelier and his Institute for Policy Studies colleague Ronni Karpen Moffitt. Now, they may finally be vindicated.

The administration of President Barack Obama on Thursday publicly released documents that appear to show that Pinochet was behind the murders of Letelier and Moffitt, who have become "symbols of the broader human rights catastrophe of the Pinochet dictatorship," Sarah Anderson, director of the Global Economy Project at IPS, told Common Dreams.

The materials, which include CIA papers, were given to Chilean President Michelle Bachelet on Tuesday by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry.

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Letelier’s son, Chilean Senator Juan Pablo Letelier, is one of the few people who has reviewed the trove and confirmed to the Guardian that they conclusively show Pinochet directly ordered the killing. In addition, the documents reportedly reveal that Pinochet had intended to cover up his role in the assassination by killing his spy chief.

"In (Pinochet’s) predisposition to defend his position he planned to eliminate Manuel Contreras to keep him from talking," Senator Letelier told the Mesa Central show on Tele13 Radio.

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http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/10/08/unsealed-documents-show-pinochet-directly-involved-capitol-hill-assassinations

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